Pizzagate. Plus, Ex-FBI Undercover Agent Bob Hamer |357|

I take it you watch 'Ray Donovan'
Actually, no. I partake in very little "entertainment" media. Most of it I find absolutely vile. There's some good out there, hence the "very little", but most of it is trash, including the one or two episodes I caught of "Ray Donovan".

I mostly read or watch historical documentaries. Actually, I mostly work, take care of my family and my home. In the little downtime I get, I do the other things.

I'm sure there's a perception that I spend some inordinate amount of time searching conspiracy sites and blogs, staying up late, checking up on the Satanists and dodgy alphabet agencies. I don't. You'd be surprised how much you can learn in a surprisingly small amount of research. The fact is, most don't bother. Really. What has become abundantly clear since I started paying closer attention to the world around me is how stunningly ignorant the vast majority of people are. Willingly so.

Granted, not everyone is cursed with insatiable curiosity like me (notice I said curse, I am not holding myself up higher than others, since what initially became clear to me as I started down this path was how stunningly ignorant I was...well, still am really).
 
It's helpful to present the thin pizzagate evidence with cases of more egregious, proven abuse as if there is some equivalence. To some extent this is what Alex did in the podcast, and several posters since have employed the same tactic. This tactic also allows the debater to paint their opponent as uncaring and unsympathetic.
I don't think anyone here has shown they are guilty of false equivalence. It's merely the practice of pointing out that Pizzagate is not, by any stretch of the imagination, far fetched.

If you looked into the Franklin Scandal, or the Washington Times article that outlined how there were "midnight tours" at the White House involving underage boys in the '80's.
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/WashingtonTimes.htm

Both the Franklin cover up and Hastert (I'd throw Epstein in there as well) show that there is indeed a precedent to allegations that pedophilia and sex trafficking go all the way to the White House.

As far as Alex's interview with the FBI agent, yeah, I agree. I don't see the correlation.
 
A hypothetical. Okay, certainly possible but as you stated you have no evidence to suggest this is the case. I get that we can imagine up any number of potential explanations.

But again I haven't seen anything to suggest Podesta is an evil guy willing to serve as minion to the real elite. I'm sure there are others in this email chain that would have to be similarly evil. Aren't we starting to suppose scenarios to fit the narrative?

Finally, the question as to the relevance of this entire pizzagate thing remains.
Right. It's just a possibility. And yes, we could go nuts with "what if's".

But here's the deal, something is rotten in Hollywood. Something is rotten in politics. Moreover, take a look sometime at this he connections between some of the most prominent in Hollywood, government and historical aristocracy and other "elite" families. The connections are quite astonishing.

Question: have you read the Wikileaks Podesta emails for yourself? Have you read through the executive summary of Pizzagate on Voat?
 
Regarding what I said above about the vast differences between the elites and the rest of us, I do see most won't touch it with a ten foot pole.
That's fine. Again, par for the course.

But here's a sweet little du Pont family heir that was convicted of raping his THREE YEAR OLD daughter. What happened? No jail time, probation and a $4000 fine. Gee, go easy on the poor guy.

Initially the sentence carried a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. But wouldn't you know, old Beau Biden (yes, Creepy Joe Biden's son) was Attorney General of Delaware, and his office offered a plea of probation and the small fine.
http://www.delawareonline.com/story...obed-dupont-sex-abuse-claim-in-2010-/6667835/

Good for ye, but not for me.

That's just one. Look, you'll find more. But I doubt any of you will. Don't want to go messing up the neat little world you've made for yourself.
https://www.corbettreport.com/pedophiles-in-politics-an-open-source-investigation/comment-page-1/
 
Regarding what I said above about the vast differences between the elites and the rest of us, I do see most won't touch it with a ten foot pole.
That's fine. Again, par for the course.
I won't speak for others Vault, but for me its not something I'm overly interested in researching. As I've pointed out, I don't believe its relevant to the stated objectives of this podcast episode. (e.g., Pizzagate)
 
I won't speak for others Vault, but for me its not something I'm overly interested in researching. As I've pointed out, I don't believe its relevant to the stated objectives of this podcast episode. (e.g., Pizzagate)
I do think it's relevant though. It just boggles my mind that people just don't seem to care. I don't know. I know I complained about people overusing Nieztche in another thread, but perhaps he was right about The Herd. (This isn't necessarily directed at you, Silence, after all, you are the only one who actually responded, so I appreciate that).
 
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That's your opinion. Love the condescending tone, BTW.

Well it wasn't.

Actually, no. I partake in very little "entertainment" media. Most of it I find absolutely vile. There's some good out there, hence the "very little", but most of it is trash, including the one or two episodes I caught of "Ray Donovan".

I mostly read or watch historical documentaries. Actually, I mostly work, take care of my family and my home. In the little downtime I get, I do the other things.

I'm sure there's a perception that I spend some inordinate amount of time searching conspiracy sites and blogs, staying up late, checking up on the Satanists and dodgy alphabet agencies. I don't. You'd be surprised how much you can learn in a surprisingly small amount of research. The fact is, most don't bother. Really. What has become abundantly clear since I started paying closer attention to the world around me is how stunningly ignorant the vast majority of people are. Willingly so.

Granted, not everyone is cursed with insatiable curiosity like me (notice I said curse, I am not holding myself up higher than others, since what initially became clear to me as I started down this path was how stunningly ignorant I was...well, still am really).

I do think it's relevant though. It just boggles my mind that people just don't seem to care. I don't know. I know I complained about people overusing Nieztche in another thread, but perhaps he was right about The Herd. (This isn't necessarily directed at you, Silence, after all, you are the only one who actually responded, so I appreciate that).



Wow. Pot meet kettle. ""the mind boggles" indeed, lol
 
I am going to delete your post because it is trivial and rude - if you post more stuff of that type you are out.

David
If you want to get rid of me you have taken the first decisive step. Hello to you too. Feel free to ban people left right and centre because you have the power of Greyskull. Don't forget it. Oh and if this is rude, I will have to email Alex directly and complain about you and your behaviour.
 
If you want to get rid of me you have taken the first decisive step. Hello to you too. Feel free to ban people left right and centre because you have the power of Greyskull. Don't forget it. Oh and if this is rude, I will have to email Alex directly and complain about you and your behaviour.
I have to agree. Aren't we dealing with enough censorship these days?
 
How is that condescending?

Well, there used to be this show that was kinda awful that you don't know about called american idol. For extra entertainment and ratings purposes they'd also show auditions of really bad singers who actually perceived and believed themselves to be really great singers. Do ya catch my drift?? :D
 
How is that condescending?
Well, there used to be this show that was kinda awful that you don't know about called american idol. For extra entertainment and ratings purposes they'd also show auditions of really bad singers who actually perceived and believed themselves to be really great singers. Do ya catch my drift?? :D
Ah,nice. So I'm the really bad singer that thinks I'm good? Hmmm. Ok.
 
I have to agree. Aren't we dealing with enough censorship these days?


Normally I'd agree -- but I think Alit's non-sequitur "penis" joke was a little classless, particularly in a thread about pedophilia and human trafficking, and I think David B made the right choice to say something. (the actual post seems to have been deleted (or I can't find it) but is referenced by others quoting it at #302 and #303). And the rudeness was directed towards Philemon, who took the time to write some really thoughtful commentary. Kind of funny when someone asks someone to write shorter posts so they can understand them instead of appreciating the longer one that took some actual thoughtfulness!

I'm not a "snowflake" (as someone who seems to be weirdly cyberstalking me on this site has accused me of), but I do think that these juvenile one-liners and derisive comments bring down the quality of this forum. There are just so many other places one can go online if the goal is simply to rile or offend others or be the turds in the punch bowl of a legitimate discussion - maybe try Alex Jones' forum (if you are of that persuasion) or Salon.com (if you lean left or want to stoke some liberal fires)?

Of course I can dish it out too and will respond with some snark if pushed too far, but really, what's the point of having such a great forum here if all you want to do is agitate and shut down discussion?

Or maybe my mind will go all CT (as it is wont to do) and think that this is intentional agent provocateur-ing to bring down the forum? ;) :eek:
 
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But here's the deal, something is rotten in Hollywood. Something is rotten in politics. Moreover, take a look sometime at this he connections between some of the most prominent in Hollywood, government and historical aristocracy and other "elite" families. The connections are quite astonishing.
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Here's an article about Pizzagate and pedo rings in general that is offered on the woo/spirituality site: Collective Evolution that touches on pedophilia in politics and in H-wood (I don't read CE and can't say whether or not it has a right/left leaning, so I can already anticipate the knee-jerk objections/rejections/denials of what it has to say by the debunkers now). It's been a while since I've been in full PG research mode, so I don't know whether all aspects of this article can be linked back to a direct source or further verified or not. I also agree that Voat's executive summary is a better place to start for those truly interested in following the data points, etc, but the article does try to summarize the PG/other pedo associations being discussed elsewhere in more detail for those who don't want to go beyond a surface consideration.

http://www.collective-evolution.com...e-sex-rings-involving-government-pop-culture/

The article also suggests that there is something rotten in Hollywood and in high-level political circles. And of course there are some excellent documentaries out there trying to expose these darker aspects of reality (e.g, Amy Berg's excellent (and immediately buried) documentary, An Open Secret, the Franklin Affair documentary, the Keepers, I am Jane Doe, etc.).

I just want you to know Vault, I care too. There are a lot of people who do (some even on this forum). It's hard to keep this conversation going with so much push-back though.

But maybe it would have been better for Alex not to have inserted the first part of this show with the PG controversy -- especially since the guest didn't touch on it at all. The NAMBLA stuff is horrific enough on its own and would have created far less divisiveness. Of course, it probably wouldn't have spawned 19 pages of posts either.
 
so glad you brought this up. of course it's almost impossible to get folks to look at this unless they're pretty far down the rabbit hole. If you do a google search on the McMartin case you'll find all sorts of data points support what yr saying.

For anyone who does want to go down the historical precedent dark rabbit hole, Dave McGowan (who IIRC wrote a lot about Laurel Canyon and the musicians in the 70's who were all deeply tied to intelligence agencies/military) writes a lot about the SRA/pedophile cases that were actually prosecuted or at least had some wider mainstream press (aka legitimacy to some).

http://www.whale.to/b/pedophocracy.html#The_Pedophocracy,_Part_IV:_McMolestation__
 
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