Charlie Primero
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Ben Garrison hits the spot again. :)
To restate AGAIN, I am not denying there are bad actors doing hurtful and unethical things while being protected by money and power. I am questioning the conjecture that it is an organized, purposeful thing across the entire controlling elite.
Totally agree. My question: Is this unique to institutions? Do families turn blind eyes to certain members? Do communities? Small businesses? Sports teams?I suppose the Harvey Weinstein and Jimmy Saville affairs at least tell us that large institutions - Hollywood and the BBC are capable of collectively turning a blind eye to severe abuse when it suits them.
I keep looking for some smoking gun here that uncovers an organized, scheming group of evil elites looking to dominate society.
Two answers, one presuming your question is earnest and another in case it isn't. ;)What evidence would convince you such a thing exists?
Two answers, one presuming your question is earnest and another in case it isn't. ;)
Earnest: I don't know and I get that's probably the rub. I would find it difficult to believe that the number of complicit individuals required to maintain secrecy for something that deplorable and "evil" (e.g., pedophilia) would even be possible. I have found the saying "there are no secrets" to be largely true. Further, while I am well aware of our general penchant to suppress our own morality and ethics when they conflict with personal "gain", this goes well beyond that. I think there would be too many people unwilling to subjugate their outright horror for a modicum of power/wealth to keep quiet.
Not earnest: Evidence.
EVIDENCETwo answers, one presuming your question is earnest and another in case it isn't. ;)
Earnest: I don't know and I get that's probably the rub. I would find it difficult to believe that the number of complicit individuals required to maintain secrecy for something that deplorable and "evil" (e.g., pedophilia) would even be possible. I have found the saying "there are no secrets" to be largely true. Further, while I am well aware of our general penchant to suppress our own morality and ethics when they conflict with personal "gain", this goes well beyond that. I think there would be too many people unwilling to subjugate their outright horror for a modicum of power/wealth to keep quiet.
Not earnest: Evidence.
Earnest: I don't know and I get that's probably the rub.
So, let me get this straight. You've labeled me into some group of your own definition because I haven't accepted your assertions and "because of that" I'm trolling? I've found you to be condescending, arrogant and rigid. You somehow managed to pull all that together again in a single paragraph.In talking with people about my research one thing I've learned is not to waste time attempting to "convince" people of something they do not want to be made aware of. Because of that, what you are doing in this thread is basically a form of disingenuous trolling. That's not nice.
Sort of relates to my series of questions to Arya. "All people"? There wouldn't be one, or two, or dozens of people in powerful positions who wouldn't feel compelled to take action? Or, more aptly, if there is a broad based controlling elite of like, evil mind; what about those in powerful positions who are moral, who are good? Are they aware of this group of "evil elites" and if so what are those implications?The problem is, I think, that in large organisations, people feel the responsibility to report things is not theirs, and that anyway nobody would listen - they would just lose their jobs. People don't choose to become privy to disturbing information of this sort, and when they do, they may rationalise it away in all sorts of ways.
Yes, but did you read what I wrote? Huge numbers of people had strong suspicions that something was wrong. Some of the staff in the children's' institutions that he frequented, actually helped him!Sort of relates to my series of questions to Arya. "All people"? There wouldn't be one, or two, or dozens of people in powerful positions who wouldn't feel compelled to take action? Or, more aptly, if there is a broad based controlling elite of like, evil mind; what about those in powerful positions who are moral, who are good? Are they aware of this group of "evil elites" and if so what are those implications?
I haven't accepted your assertions and "because of that" I'm trolling?
That's not what I said at all. I'm sure you knew that already, but are choosing to misrepresent what I said not one or two mousewheel rotations above.No. You are a disingenuous troll because you said no evidence would convince you.
Truth seeking, sure. Debating, no as it seems nearly impossible to have convincing counters to conspiracy theories. (Asking questions? Sure.)Thus, all your posts in this thread are not genuine truth-seeking questions or legitimate debate. They are trolling.
I did. I'm trying to differentiate between people of similar magnitude in wealth/power vs those who are subservient on those measures. (e.g., staff, employees, etc.)Yes, but did you read what I wrote? Huge numbers of people had strong suspicions that something was wrong. Some of the staff in the children's' institutions that he frequented, actually helped him!
Well my point is that people in a large organisation like the BBC don't feel personally responsible. They may have seen Saville taking an obviously underage girl into his dressing room, and maybe even seen her later looking upset, but hey - there are lots of more senior people in the BBC who must know what is going on and have OK'ed it - so ignore it.I did. I'm trying to differentiate between people of similar magnitude in wealth/power vs those who are subservient on those measures. (e.g., staff, employees, etc.)
If this organized group of evil elites is plainly known what, if anything, are the "good" elites doing to expose/combat them?
That's not what I said at all.
October 19, 2017
The FBI announced Wednesday it recovered 84 minors and arrested 120 suspects in a nationwide underage human trafficking operation.