Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

Forgive me for posting this again, this is literally close to home for me and I don't want it to be drowned out by the nonsense. I consider this perhaps my most important post. Even though it is not directly related to climate change except in the way that climate change is the scape goat here for corrupt politicians. If people, especially Australians care about the environment, they should care about this. Similar things have happened elsewhere in the world, this is not unique. We should be united and not locked in petty tit for tat egocentric disputes. This is a microcosm for everything that is wrong with the world. Please watch the videos. Like the majority of my other posts, I am just another messenger. Don't demonize me for that please.

Australia's Worst Environmental Disaster is Man Made and it's NOT Climate Change

This is a peek into agenda 2030. Drought, bush fires and criminal corruption.

The land is dry, bush fires rage, climate change you say? No. The criminal corporate Australian government has sold us out. Water is being dammed up at it's source in the flood plains depriving the river systems, drying them up, destroying ecosystems, wild life and communities. Farmers are having to pay artificially inflated water costs to feed the nation. Cattle are starving. Communities are having to be relocated. This is what agenda 2030 looks like. Except it is right now, it's today. While Australia suffers in drought, the government sells the water!

Water restrictions for you, an endless supply for them: How a foreign corporate giant is snapping up 89 BILLION litres of Australia's H20 as the country suffers its worst drought ever
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...res-Australian-water-rights-490m-drought.html

These are the people, excuse me, the criminals the public are calling on to act in the name of climate change. What a joke!!.

We have always had droughts, but this is different. This is by design, for greed at the cost of life and the environment.

S-100 Criminal Governments, Stop Floodplain Harvesting

This is heart breaking.
Death DownUnder Water Fire & Control 21/30

Australia - Wake Up Or Die! - MAKE THIS VIRAL!
 
The following is all my own conjecture, I am not saying this is it folks! I am just sharing these ideas so we can keep it in our back pocket, we will know soon enough.

Here's a list of Grand solar Minimums. There is not enough to make any solid conclusions, but we are due. It has either just begun or it will be the next solar cycle. There will be a general dip into a much colder Earth. Hopefully it will not be a drawn out super Grand Minimum.

Oort minimum - 1040 to 1080
Wolf minimum - 1280 to 1350
Sporer minimum - 1450 to 1550
Maunder Minimum - 1645 to 1715
Dalton Minimum - 1790 to 1820

Like I said you can't really make any solid conclusion from this small list. There have been other studies that look at a far longer time scale but of course it's gets more ambiguous with big discrepancies in accuracy. There are a multitude of overlapping cycles. But it does seem we are due. And the data and observations are confirming that. You can see that we are talking about a very rough 200 years between the approximated start dates



Here is one where I made some conjecture. As I usually specify what is my own and what is not with reference of course.

Just released....

About 200-Year Cycle of Solar Activity in the Mediaeval Korean Records and Reconstructions from Cosmogenic Radionuclides
We newly introduced the concept of the samplogram to analyze the solar activity. Further investigation of it is needed but we think it will be an effective tool in analysis of stochastic process. Finally, we carried out the superposed epoch analysis and showed that the Suess/de Vries cycle has the significant correlation with time series of the reconstructed solar activity. And we showed the presence of multiple grand maxima which could give a suspect to an occurrence of the new grand minimum in the near future or, at least, forecast its delay

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.11226.pdf

Just a lucky guess from this incompetent incredulous know nothing. Think nothing of it.
 
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I say: nothing - you lack any qualification whatsoever.

Lone Shaman has always posted interesting stuff, I am of the opinion that he still does. He has admitted that he’s stubborn, admitting a flaw isn’t a weakness in my book.

Who here thinks they haven’t been wrong with something they posted? No takers? Every topic that isn’t of a 2x2=4 nature surely is subjective. imo Lone Shaman is as qualified as the rest of us on the things we like discussing, who here has the definitive answer on NDEs, Reincarnation, etc?

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
Lone Shaman has always posted interesting stuff, I am of the opinion that he still does. He has admitted that he’s stubborn, admitting a flaw isn’t a weakness in my book.

Who here thinks they haven’t been wrong with something they posted? No takers? Every topic that isn’t of a 2x2=4 nature surely is subjective. imo Lone Shaman is as qualified as the rest of us on the things we like discussing, who here has the definitive answer on NDEs, Reincarnation, etc?

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Thank you Steve.

Rather than directly engaging the issue or just losing the issue. The argument goes like this....

I admit a mistake or even if I didn't, therefore I am wrong about everything.

This is a form of logical fallacy. Hasty generalization or fallacy of insufficient statistics, hasty Induction, fallacy of insufficient sample or otherwise known as leaping to a conclusion. We also have the good old ad hominem in play. A informal fallacy or genetic fallacy one of the fallacies of irrelevance.

 
I admit a mistake or even if I didn't, therefore I am wrong about everything.

I am reminded of David Icke or Robert F Kennedy and others. Some people refuse to listen to them because they don’t agree with or don’t like some things they say. I’ve put David Icke videos and challenged people to listen to the whole thing and say what is is they disagree with. Frequently they can’t find anything.
 
I don't think there can be "a lasting peace" so long as you are promoting the idea that the science of global warming is a hoax.
There will be lasting peace for the next week - consider it a warning!

The thing to understand, is that while many of us agree that CC is not going to happen, or is massively exaggerated, precisely what has caused the alarm is an open question. I have considered a number of options:

1) Deliberate hoax - perhaps just to spite the successful West.
2) Simple hysteria - i.e. no rational reason, just a quirk of human nature.
3) An example of runaway degenerate science.
4) More than one of the above.

David
 
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Laird thinks he’s banned until Feb 15th.

Could you clarify please?
I wanted to ban him for a week for various discourteous remarks he made about other people. There was a technical problem with the forum that stopped me doing that, and Alex used a temporary ban of a different kind, but the problem is now fixed. He will be back in a week.

David
 
Settled science?

350 Papers Published Since 2017 Subvert The Claim That Post-1850s Warming Has Been Unusual, Global
In the last 35 months, 350 peer-reviewed scientific papers have been published containing documented evidence that undermines the popularized conception of a slowly-cooling Earth followed by a dramatic hockey-stick-shaped recent uptick, or an especially unusual global-scale warming during modern times.

https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/26...t-post-1850s-warming-has-been-unusual-global/
 
I wanted to ban him for a week for various discourteous remarks he made about other people. There was a technical problem with the forum that stopped me doing that, and Alex used a temporary ban of a different kind, but the problem is now fixed. He will be back in a week.

David

Can you reference any of his discourteous remarks that were worse than he received?
 
how many people on this site are "qualified"? you?
It is always best to quote someone when you write a reply like that - perhaps you meant Laird?

My feeling is that if we restricted discussion about science topics to those with a PhD in the relevant area (say) we would halt almost all discussions on Skeptiko. Then you could argue that the only people 'qualified' to discuss schizophrenia or NDE's or whatever, would be psychologists!

That is not the way Skeptiko works.

David
 
NEWLY PUBLISHED SCIENTIFIC PAPER TEARS GLOBAL WARMING AND THE IPCC TO SHREDS

These are not my words. Seems I have to firmly establish this now, thanks to strawman claims. The article is here.

The paper is here.

A scientific paper entitled “An Overview of Scientific Debate of Global Warming and Climate Change” has recently come out of the University of Karachi, Pakistan. The paper’s author, Prof. Shamshad Akhtar delves into earth’s natural temperature variations of the past 1000 years, and concludes that any modern warming trend has been hijacked by political & environmental agendas, and that the science (tackled below) has been long-ignored and at times deliberately manipulated.

Climate change is NOT a new phenomenon. The palaeo-climatic studies reveal that during the Pleistocene and Holocene periods several warm and cold periods occurred, resulting in changes of sea level and in climatic processes like the rise and fall of global average temperature and rainfall.

The United Nation’s politicizing of global warming/climate change (via the media and summits) has made it difficult to take another look at the subject’s scientific and academic status. But in this paper an attempt has been made to examine the complexity of the problem in the light of available facts related to the atmosphere and climate system:

ENERGY SOURCES FOR THE HEATING OF THE ATMOSPHERE
The ultimate source of energy for the heating of earth’s surface and atmosphere is the Sun.

Out of the total solar radiation that reaches the top of atmosphere, about 49% reaches the earth’s surface (insolation). 31% is reflected back to space, while 20% is absorbed by atmosphere.

This shows atmosphere absorbs only 20% of solar radiation directly while earth’s surface is the major source of energy for the heating of atmosphere.


WATER VAPOUR IS THE SINGLE LARGEST ATMOSPHERIC GAS RATHER THAN CARBON DIOXIDE
Pro human induced global warming scientists exaggerate the contribution of carbon dioxide as a major greenhouse gas in absorbing long wave earth’s radiation. The fact is water vapor is the single largest atmospheric greenhouse gas (2% by volume), Carbon dioxide is second (0.0385% by volume).

Water vapor contributes 95% to the greenhouse effect, all other greenhouse gases combined contribute only 5%. Furthermore, the man-made portion of carbon dioxide contributes only 0.117% to the greenhouse effect.

The IPCC does not consider water vapor a greenhouse gas in its reports.

In addition, water vapor absorbs in a much wider band of long wave radiation (4-8 micrometer and 12-70 micrometer bands), whereas Carbon dioxide absorbs in narrow bands (13-16 micrometer) and ozone absorbs in a much smaller narrow band (9-10 micrometer). Thus, water vapor absorbs in a much wider wave length band, it has the single largest greenhouse effect among all the greenhouse gases.


EARTH’S TEMPERATURE VARIATIONS DURING LAST 1000 YEARS
Earth’s temperature was never constant.

Instead, its past temperatures varied in cyclical patterns. Earth’s temperatures for the past 1000 years have been constructed on the basis of historical records, measured temperature data and several proxy data (ice core data, tree ring analysis, pollen analysis).

Earth’s temperature pattern in the past 1000 years shows two relatively long cycles:


  • The Medieval warm period from 950 AD to 1350 AD, followed by:

  • The Little Ice Age from 1400 to 1900 AD

According to Dr. Steffensen of Neil Bohr Institute of Geophysist, university of Copenhagen —who conducted 3km deep ice core study in Greenland— the Little Ice Age marked the lowest temperature in the last 8000 years of earth’s history, while the Medieval Warm period was about 1.5C warmer than the present day (needless to say, without the extensive burning of fossil fuels).


SCIENTIFIC FACTS CONTRADICTING IPCC’S CLAIMS OF GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE
There is a large group of scientists who strongly oppose IPCC’s claims of global warming caused by human activity.

Some of the contradictions and neglecting factors are discussed further in Prof. S. Akhtar’s full paper, which can be downloaded HERE, but I’ve created a succinct snapshot of the topics below:


COMPLEXITY OF THE EARTH’S CLIMATE SYSTEM
Earth’s climate system consists of several interactive components — lithosphere (rocks), hydrosphere (water), cryosphere (sphere of ice), biosphere (living organism) and atmosphere (sphere of air). There are several subsystems of these spheres which interact and develop a complex system of climate system of the earth. Therefore, any forecast of climate system based upon selected parameters of stimulated computer model as used by IPCC for future projection and estimation can never give a real and correct picture of global warming/climate change.


RECENT GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS BECAUSE OF NATURAL FACTORS
IPCC reports were not allowed to consider natural factors of climate change — even though evidences on the basis of ice cores, tree rings and historical data confirm the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age which were caused by natural processes, like these:


  • Change in Earth-Sun orbit shape and angle of earth’s axis

  • Variations in solar radiation and activities, such as flares or sunspots

EFFECT OF URBANIZATION AND URBAN HEAT ISLAND
Urban areas are much warmer than the surrounding open/rural areas because of the building materials, high density of buildings, high rise buildings, large number of vehicles and heat emissions. Since the 1970s, urban areas have grown rapidly in number and size all over the world. Very importantly, almost all the weather stations are located in cities. So rapid growth in urbanization has created a bias toward warmer temperature. This factor was also not considered by the IPCC.

Even more telling, Prof. John Christi, an astrophysics of the university of Albama, studied ground recorded temperature and found temperature is rising while the weather satellite temperature data and air balloon recorded temperature show little change.


GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION OF CLIMATIC STATIONS AND DATA BIAS
Only 100 weather stations existed in 1875, all of which were located in Europe and North America. This number increased to 1,700 in 1975, and since then the number of stations has increased dramatically to 10,000 at present. Therefore, most of the stations did not exist prior to mid -1970s.

Also, the majority of the stations are located on the continents of the northern hemisphere, in the mid-latitudes and in urban areas — meaning our climate data set is biased towards landmass.


CREDIBILITY OF IPCC IS QUESTIONED
A major blow to IPCC credibility came on October 19, 2009 when thousands of documents and emails were leaked out by some computer hackers from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of UK’s East Anglia University. This leak came to be unimaginatively known as Climate Gate.

The documents reveal misconduct of the top IPCC climate scientists in the UK and USA in creating manufactured data about the release of carbon dioxide through burning of fossil fuels and industries causing global warming. Some of the US governmental agencies like US National Climate Data Centre and NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies were also involved in data manipulation.


THE HOCKEY STICK GRAPH
Michael Mann’s infamous ‘Hockey Stick’ graph has two major flaws.

First, it shows that earth’s temperatures were below normal for a long period –1000AD to 1970s– then temperatures increasing dramatically since 1980s. And secondly, it also alters the long-accepted Medieval Warm Period (950 AD to 1350AD) so as to seem as colder than originally thought.

It was found out that Mann’s graph was drawn on the basis of a very small ring samples (10 out of 85 samples) and by data manipulation and statistical exaggeration.

Despite these shocking revelations, the ‘Hockey Stick’ is still used in all IPCC reports. Since the IPCC’s third report in the 2007, Mann’s graph has replaced the original one (which clearly identified the MWP) used in first and second reports — a change strongly criticized by many climate scientists.

Sauer-GVU-100315-1.jpg

ASSESSMENTS OF IPCC ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING IMPACTS ON SEA LEVEL RISE AND GLACIER MELTING ARE INCORRECT AND OVERSTATED
According to IPCC reports issued 2007, global mean surface air temp has increased by 0.3C to 0.6C since the late 19th century. As a result of melting of glaciers and polar ice sheets, global sea level has risen by 15 to 20 cm over the past 100 years, and if this trend continues sea level will rise up to 50 to 80 meters by the end of 2100. Low land areas and islands like Maldives will submerge into sea water…

Professor Nelis Axil of Stockholm University, and president of International Organization of Sea level change and coastal evolution, conducted several studies on the beaches of Maldives. He concluded that during last 50 years there has no permanent rise of sea level in the area…
 
NEWLY PUBLISHED SCIENTIFIC PAPER TEARS GLOBAL WARMING AND THE IPCC TO SHREDS

These are not my words. Seems I have to firmly establish this now, thanks to strawman claims. The article is here.

The paper is here.

A scientific paper entitled “An Overview of Scientific Debate of Global Warming and Climate Change” has recently come out of the University of Karachi, Pakistan. The paper’s author, Prof. Shamshad Akhtar delves into earth’s natural temperature variations of the past 1000 years, and concludes that any modern warming trend has been hijacked by political & environmental agendas, and that the science (tackled below) has been long-ignored and at times deliberately manipulated.

Climate change is NOT a new phenomenon. The palaeo-climatic studies reveal that during the Pleistocene and Holocene periods several warm and cold periods occurred, resulting in changes of sea level and in climatic processes like the rise and fall of global average temperature and rainfall.

The United Nation’s politicizing of global warming/climate change (via the media and summits) has made it difficult to take another look at the subject’s scientific and academic status. But in this paper an attempt has been made to examine the complexity of the problem in the light of available facts related to the atmosphere and climate system:

ENERGY SOURCES FOR THE HEATING OF THE ATMOSPHERE
The ultimate source of energy for the heating of earth’s surface and atmosphere is the Sun.

Out of the total solar radiation that reaches the top of atmosphere, about 49% reaches the earth’s surface (insolation). 31% is reflected back to space, while 20% is absorbed by atmosphere.

This shows atmosphere absorbs only 20% of solar radiation directly while earth’s surface is the major source of energy for the heating of atmosphere.


WATER VAPOUR IS THE SINGLE LARGEST ATMOSPHERIC GAS RATHER THAN CARBON DIOXIDE
Pro human induced global warming scientists exaggerate the contribution of carbon dioxide as a major greenhouse gas in absorbing long wave earth’s radiation. The fact is water vapor is the single largest atmospheric greenhouse gas (2% by volume), Carbon dioxide is second (0.0385% by volume).

Water vapor contributes 95% to the greenhouse effect, all other greenhouse gases combined contribute only 5%. Furthermore, the man-made portion of carbon dioxide contributes only 0.117% to the greenhouse effect.

The IPCC does not consider water vapor a greenhouse gas in its reports.

In addition, water vapor absorbs in a much wider band of long wave radiation (4-8 micrometer and 12-70 micrometer bands), whereas Carbon dioxide absorbs in narrow bands (13-16 micrometer) and ozone absorbs in a much smaller narrow band (9-10 micrometer). Thus, water vapor absorbs in a much wider wave length band, it has the single largest greenhouse effect among all the greenhouse gases.


EARTH’S TEMPERATURE VARIATIONS DURING LAST 1000 YEARS
Earth’s temperature was never constant.

Instead, its past temperatures varied in cyclical patterns. Earth’s temperatures for the past 1000 years have been constructed on the basis of historical records, measured temperature data and several proxy data (ice core data, tree ring analysis, pollen analysis).

Earth’s temperature pattern in the past 1000 years shows two relatively long cycles:


  • The Medieval warm period from 950 AD to 1350 AD, followed by:

  • The Little Ice Age from 1400 to 1900 AD

According to Dr. Steffensen of Neil Bohr Institute of Geophysist, university of Copenhagen —who conducted 3km deep ice core study in Greenland— the Little Ice Age marked the lowest temperature in the last 8000 years of earth’s history, while the Medieval Warm period was about 1.5C warmer than the present day (needless to say, without the extensive burning of fossil fuels).


SCIENTIFIC FACTS CONTRADICTING IPCC’S CLAIMS OF GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE
There is a large group of scientists who strongly oppose IPCC’s claims of global warming caused by human activity.

Some of the contradictions and neglecting factors are discussed further in Prof. S. Akhtar’s full paper, which can be downloaded HERE, but I’ve created a succinct snapshot of the topics below:


COMPLEXITY OF THE EARTH’S CLIMATE SYSTEM
Earth’s climate system consists of several interactive components — lithosphere (rocks), hydrosphere (water), cryosphere (sphere of ice), biosphere (living organism) and atmosphere (sphere of air). There are several subsystems of these spheres which interact and develop a complex system of climate system of the earth. Therefore, any forecast of climate system based upon selected parameters of stimulated computer model as used by IPCC for future projection and estimation can never give a real and correct picture of global warming/climate change.


RECENT GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS BECAUSE OF NATURAL FACTORS
IPCC reports were not allowed to consider natural factors of climate change — even though evidences on the basis of ice cores, tree rings and historical data confirm the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age which were caused by natural processes, like these:


  • Change in Earth-Sun orbit shape and angle of earth’s axis

  • Variations in solar radiation and activities, such as flares or sunspots

EFFECT OF URBANIZATION AND URBAN HEAT ISLAND
Urban areas are much warmer than the surrounding open/rural areas because of the building materials, high density of buildings, high rise buildings, large number of vehicles and heat emissions. Since the 1970s, urban areas have grown rapidly in number and size all over the world. Very importantly, almost all the weather stations are located in cities. So rapid growth in urbanization has created a bias toward warmer temperature. This factor was also not considered by the IPCC.

Even more telling, Prof. John Christi, an astrophysics of the university of Albama, studied ground recorded temperature and found temperature is rising while the weather satellite temperature data and air balloon recorded temperature show little change.


GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION OF CLIMATIC STATIONS AND DATA BIAS
Only 100 weather stations existed in 1875, all of which were located in Europe and North America. This number increased to 1,700 in 1975, and since then the number of stations has increased dramatically to 10,000 at present. Therefore, most of the stations did not exist prior to mid -1970s.

Also, the majority of the stations are located on the continents of the northern hemisphere, in the mid-latitudes and in urban areas — meaning our climate data set is biased towards landmass.


CREDIBILITY OF IPCC IS QUESTIONED
A major blow to IPCC credibility came on October 19, 2009 when thousands of documents and emails were leaked out by some computer hackers from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of UK’s East Anglia University. This leak came to be unimaginatively known as Climate Gate.

The documents reveal misconduct of the top IPCC climate scientists in the UK and USA in creating manufactured data about the release of carbon dioxide through burning of fossil fuels and industries causing global warming. Some of the US governmental agencies like US National Climate Data Centre and NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies were also involved in data manipulation.


THE HOCKEY STICK GRAPH
Michael Mann’s infamous ‘Hockey Stick’ graph has two major flaws.

First, it shows that earth’s temperatures were below normal for a long period –1000AD to 1970s– then temperatures increasing dramatically since 1980s. And secondly, it also alters the long-accepted Medieval Warm Period (950 AD to 1350AD) so as to seem as colder than originally thought.

It was found out that Mann’s graph was drawn on the basis of a very small ring samples (10 out of 85 samples) and by data manipulation and statistical exaggeration.

Despite these shocking revelations, the ‘Hockey Stick’ is still used in all IPCC reports. Since the IPCC’s third report in the 2007, Mann’s graph has replaced the original one (which clearly identified the MWP) used in first and second reports — a change strongly criticized by many climate scientists.

Sauer-GVU-100315-1.jpg

ASSESSMENTS OF IPCC ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING IMPACTS ON SEA LEVEL RISE AND GLACIER MELTING ARE INCORRECT AND OVERSTATED
According to IPCC reports issued 2007, global mean surface air temp has increased by 0.3C to 0.6C since the late 19th century. As a result of melting of glaciers and polar ice sheets, global sea level has risen by 15 to 20 cm over the past 100 years, and if this trend continues sea level will rise up to 50 to 80 meters by the end of 2100. Low land areas and islands like Maldives will submerge into sea water…

Professor Nelis Axil of Stockholm University, and president of International Organization of Sea level change and coastal evolution, conducted several studies on the beaches of Maldives. He concluded that during last 50 years there has no permanent rise of sea level in the area…
Where does that journal come in a ranking list of other journals in its field (aquatic science)? Arguably, this is what is devaluing science more than anything else.

https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php?category=1104
 
Where does that journal come in a ranking list of other journals in its field (aquatic science)? Arguably, this is what is devaluing science more than anything else.

https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php?category=1104


"...In terms of climate science. I think it's set back the field probably a few generations." - MIT Professor Richard Lindzen

Political and financial interests as well as academic freedom in journals and scientific institutions is what devalue science. This is rampant in this particular field.

This paper addresses the conclusions this narrative has produced.

....and concludes that any modern warming trend has been hijacked by political & environmental agendas,

The paper has citations, or are just self evident. So you will have to criticize those journals of those papers as as well.

Attacking the source instead of the content is weak. Why not address the actual issues? I think I know why.

Not that it really matters because it is irrelevant, The University of Karachi is listed in the top 10 Universities in Pakistan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankings_of_universities_in_Pakistan#Top_ten_rankings
 
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Was that not a fair question? Humble apologies if not.

BTW, I was the first poster on here when Alex launched.
Haven't I made it clear - I don't want the forum used to pursue pointless scraps between individuals. Third party readers finds such stuff utterly boring. You were already warned.

David
 
Poll Finds Most People Would Rather Be Annihilated By Giant Tidal Wave Than Continue To Be Lectured By Climate Change Activists

U.S.—A new study found that most people would rather be annihilated by a giant tidal wave caused by climate change than continue to be lectured by climate change activists.

Study participants were given the option of having the earth flooded by massive tidal waves or listening to virtue-signaling, smarmy lectures by environmentalists for the next decade. Over 87% of respondents selected, "Bring on the tidal wave." A few people said they'd rather take the lectures, but after hearing a few minutes of the lectures, quickly changed their minds. Several respondents rushed straight to the ocean, arms outstretched, and asked the sea to take us all.

"Come, sweet death," one man scrawled on the survey response form after hearing just 30 seconds of a Greta Thunberg lecture. "O, sweet release that ends my suffering on this mortal plane! Embrace me in your salty arms, great wave of destiny."

"Honestly, between Greta and the climate change, I'll take the climate change," said one man in Minnesota. "Heck, it's Minnesota, don't ya know. We could use a little warming. But even if it turns out to be catastrophic -- I'll take the tidal wave."

Fires, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, and bees also polled higher than the activists.
 
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