I hope all the debunkers and deniers can read my thread. Happy to send links on any of my points.
Not all Science and Science funding is equal. Try and get scientific funding for the paranormal and UFOs. You see my point? The same was true for climate change for a long time. Yes, the world of Science is full of competing interests for grants, is beholden to political and economic and capitalist influence, is mired with corruption and fraud, and whatnot. But the climate change debunkers and deniers do NOT understand that funding has long been difficult to secure for climate change, and results were often suppressed and ignored. One only needs to look at the science coming out during the Bush II admin that actively sought (successfully) to suppress the gov't data (plus earlier, the oil companies that did their own science). The climate change science is often done under corporate and government funding -- funding quite often dependent upon fossil fuel money. Plus, all of this funding and research is done under that cloud of the religions of Progress, Technological Utopia, Infinite Growth Economy (on a finite planet -- which makes no sense), and the idea that painting too negative a future would lead to panic in the stock market (and possibly people in general). Once again, Climate Change as a reality destroys the modern religions of Americanism, American Exceptionalism, Progress, Technotopian Futures, Infinite Growth, along with many theistic and New Age religions. Thus, it must be contained in its own safe zone with mellowed realities of the future.
And, as Reverend Down mentions, Climate Change is merely ONE of the major ecological issues being presented in the press. In order for humanity to safely exist on this planet, we also need to (IMMEDIATELY) address the issues of nitrogen and phosphorous cycles, ocean acidification, stratospheric ozone depletion, global fresh water use (which includes ground water supplies in major cities quickly drying up), biodiversity loss, atmospheric aerosol loading (which is better than it was in the 80s but still an issue), chemical pollution, change in land use, as well as the above-mentioned issue of climate change/global warming/global weirding. Many of those listed have already passed the threshold of expected tipping points. Hold your breath. I don't see collective culture doing much in response. Banning plastic bags and straws ain't gonna do it.
All of the above is why Reverend Down is done discussing these issues. Another spiritual author Carolyn Baker has also moved beyond debating the science (she wisely gave this up a decade ago) and has written two very important books about post-collapse consciousness. She would be an EXCELLENT guest for this show. Sacred Demise
can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Demise-Spiritual-Industrial-Civilizations/dp/1440119724/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=carolyn+baker&qid=1577489760&sr=8-8 And the book Collapsing Consciously can be found here:
https://www.amazon.com/Collapsing-C...?keywords=carolyn+baker&qid=1577489893&sr=8-4 . These are very spiritual books.
And Alex. You brought up Climategate? That was debunked as a hoax a decade ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/09/climategate-bogus-sceptics-lies -- I can provide all kinds of independent news media sources that have poured through the data and provide those links if you don't want the Guardian's take.
And even if some of the "Climategate" accusations by debunkers and deniers were real (they aren't, but let's pretend). Okay. So that means that a few paragraphs from one study the fudged some data now tears down all the science of climate change? That is ridiculous. Imagine if we did the same with UFOs or the paranormal or consciousness science? There are a lot of hoaxers and fraudsters and exaggerators and (god bless them) ignorant souls working in these fields. It is easy to debunk many of them. So, based on the "rigorous approach and standards" taken against Climate Change, I guess we can now debunk ALL research on UFOs and the Paranormal and Consciousness being independent of the brain. Time to close up shop Alex. Your work is done. All your shit is debunked.
If anyone wants to read perhaps the best book on the question of "What if severe climate change happens and humans survive," I would recommend Frank Landis's book Hot Earth Dreams. Most of the interpretations by current science is still pretty conservative (which is why they claim to be shocked at how much worse things really are after every follow up study). This book doesn't do that. And it gives very very long-term interpretations of the data, never claiming to be gospel.
https://www.amazon.com/Hot-Earth-Dr...2?keywords=frank+landis&qid=1577490979&sr=8-2 Things may be even worse than this author surmises if we do not take in consideration energy decline. But this issue can't be raised in the psychopathic economy of Infinite Growth. But let's move on.
Does all of the above mean that the government and corporate responses to this very real issue will be handled well, or with our consent? No. I think this is something we can all agree on. (But bad responses from bad corporate and elitist players does not mean something is a hoax. Conspiracy theorists need to remember this. It simply means they control the solutions to any crisis.) The responses will likely stay in "pretend" mode for a while. Thus the do-nothing concepts of shorter showers, recycling, cap and trade, etc. We will also see the growth of BIG GREEN energy, which is a masquerade of clean energy -- thus fake solutions like solar, wind, ethanol, hydrogen, and others will be expanded. These "green energies" are simply a rebranding of fossil fuels. Anyone who has no clue what I am talking about, thinking that these technologies will save the day, should read Green Illusions by Ozzie Zehner. It is the book the Left and the Right, the corporate world and the environmental movement hate.
https://www.amazon.com/Green-Illusions-Secrets-Environmentalism-Sustainable/dp/0803237758 . We may also see the continuation of rising authoritarianism (with maybe a break here and there) in response to this issue (though climate change certainly is NOT needed for this rise -- look at climate denier Trump and climate ignorer Obama). Responses could manifest into spraying the skies (assuming we are not already doing so) with metals, spraying the oceans with metals, putting microwave mirrors on the moon (assuming we can get there), and all kinds of stupid corporate-government "solutions" to a predicament that cannot be solved (and that will likely make the situation worse). What we do know is this: every solution given serious consideration will NOT drastically affect Infinite Growth, despite the fact that the only way to appropriately deal with the predicament will have to be centered around LESS ENERGY, period. And this is why the Reverend has moved beyond talking about solutions, focusing instead on building local communities. He knows government and corporate solutions are pointless. Smart man.