Mishelle
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Actually I think in some states that’s how it works. It’s totally ‘gaming the system’. But it’s hard to get folks to give a crap about a system they know is rigged, it just becomes about who is the better gamer.
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Actually I think in some states that’s how it works. It’s totally ‘gaming the system’. But it’s hard to get folks to give a crap about a system they know is rigged, it just becomes about who is the better gamer.
Mishelle
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Have you seen this article yet, thought it made some interesting points.
“Bernie Sanders is not a Marxist revolutionary, but a remnant New Dealer who is soft on imperialism. Sanders, in the context of today’s politics, nevertheless represents a welcome challenge to neoliberal austerity. For now, the establishment is betting that a rigged electoral process (e.g., super delegates), dirty tricks (e.g., the spat with Elizabeth Warren), and a gatekeeper corporate press – all of whom might risk four more years of Trump rather than running a putative progressive against him – will keep Sanders out of serious contention.”
https://rielpolitik.com/2020/02/17/...urgency-the-specter-of-star-spangled-fascism/
malf
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Bingo.
Jim_Smith
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I don't know what the Democrats will do at the convention, but I think Bernie is a Marxist.
https://townhall.com/columnists/joh...-not-a-social-democrat-hes-a-marxist-n2118509
I think the Democrat power brokers (the people who control the world from the shadows) will try to prevent a real socialist or Marxist from gaining the Democrat nomination. Democrat politicians pay lip service to socialist policies to get votes but the power brokers don't want to crash the stock market or damage the economy because they are all invested in corporations and the Democrat politicians know which side of the bread is buttered. But the Democrat politicians have painted themselves into a corner now by seeming to support socialist policies because they have raised a generation that believes in socialism and has been trained in the same tactics Democrats have used against Republicans to gain control of the schools, entertainment industry, universities, etc etc. The Democrats have created something they are now having a hard time controlling. That's the problem when you base your political agenda on deceit. When it gets out of control you have to expose yourself as dishonest to rein it in. The Democrats stole the nomination from Hillary in 2008. They stole it from Bernie in 2016. Many of Bernie's supporters are threatening violence if Bernie does not get the nomination this year.
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Jim_Smith
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Here's an article about the case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-imprisoned-men-but-only-obama-can-save-them/
[Retired Federal Judge] Sarokin became convinced of their innocence. And so he immersed himself in the facts of the case and in the backgrounds of the six men, who were all members of the same church, several of them military veterans, all with families and no criminal records.
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In February 2005, the FBI raided IRP’s offices and seized their records and software project. But no one was arrested, and Stewart said court records showed that in August 2005 the FBI sent a letter saying there would not be a criminal prosecution and that the unpaid debts were a civil matter. Still, the U.S. attorney’s office in Denver stuck with the case and presented it to a grand jury in March 2007, Stewart said. The grand jury, somewhat unusually, declined to issue any indictments.
The IRP developers continued to work on their software, but found they were persona non grata in the law enforcement world they had hoped to help, Stewart said. Federal and local agencies had been told that IRP was still under investigation, and everyone stayed away from them, Stewart said.
Two years passed. And then in June 2009, the U.S. attorney’s office presented the case to another grand jury, and the IRP 6 were indicted. “The old adage,” Sarokin wrote in his play, “that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich was proven.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_ActThe Formerly Incarcerated Reenter Society Transformed Safely Transitioning Every Person Act or First Step Act reforms the federal prison system of the United States of America, and seeks to reduce recidivism. An initial version of bill H.R. 5682 was sponsored by Rep. Douglas Collins [R-GA-9] (Introduced 05/07/2018)
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What is the use of having a conversation if you do not even bother to hear what the other side is saying?
Just read my posts David.
David Bailey
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This thread is 76 pages long, and if you think I am going to trawl that lot without an effective search-within-thread tool, I'm not. If you want me to read what you wrote copy/paste it or supply links. As I said before, let's deal with the issue of world peace first.
I want to see a discussion that doesn't deviate from foreign policy issues, and focuses on what he has done regarding Syria, Iran, NK, etc. Please explain how someone else (Hillary Clinton?) could have done better.
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Jim_Smith
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The forum has a search-within-thread tool. Click on "Everywhere" in the search box and you get a drop down menu of choices one of which is "This Thread".
Is there something else you would expect to consider it "effective"?
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David Bailey
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Thanks for that information which will come in very useful! A Skeptiko users manual might be very useful. I am sure there is a manual for setting up the website software, but that is not quite the same thing - not least because such software will be highly configurable.
However searching through Bart's posts on this thread I only find one trivial reference to "Peace" and no references to "foreign", so hang it Bart, write or copy something into a new post that we can discuss, or I'll conclude that all your criticism of Trump is at a totally superficial level. I don't totally blame you for that, because the MSM has encouraged the practice of politics without rational thought.
David
Now you are being deliberately obtuse David, you do not have to search this whole thread, i was talking about the posts in the recent exchange we are having, it is in these last few pages that you simply seem to ignore everything i said.
It started with this :
Again, i gave you ampel reasons why people dislike Trump and his policies, i never said that was about "peace", why would i want to talk about that?
The fact that there are no recent wars started by the Trump (not yet!), is more in spite of Trump's actions, than because of Trump.
I would rather discuss things he really did, not what he didn't.
Like just yesterday, emperor Trump releasing a whole bunch of swamp monsters back into the wild.
Do you think things like that are trivial?
I like this though, seems like a good approach.
But let us not limit to foreign affairs, there are so many things that almost anybody could have done better than Trump.
I could list some, but would it be worth the trouble if you are not planning on reading any of it?
Jim_Smith
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There is some XenForo documentation available on-line. I just took a look at it and I can't find much in the way of a user's guide.
There is a help link at the bottom right of every skeptiko page, It seems rather limited but it has a list of the formating codes (bb codes).
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/help/bb-codes/
So I agree, as far as I can tell there is not much documentation for user's.
David Bailey
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I wonder if there would be any value in creating one specifically for Skeptiko users?
David
David Bailey
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OK, let's try this another way.
I think that Trump recognised that there was no real point in the war in Syria, and that it was extremely dangerous for world peace. Therefore although he made a token attack with conventional cruise missiles, aimed not to cause causalities in response to 'gas attacks', he carefully avoided a war and has let Russia and the Syrian government pacify the region. America should never have started arming dissidents opposed to President Assad because it was just stoking up a religious conflict. I think Trump did the right thing, Hillary said she wanted to ramp the war up if she got elected.
Obama's deal with Iran was horribly flawed for several reasons - notably because it has a sunset clause which meant Iran could acquire a nuclear bomb after that time. He has put a lot of pressure on Iran with sanctions, and also killed Solomeini while he was out of the country plotting further terror. I think this action was utterly justified, and it caused something close to a revolt in Iran. I once chatted to an Iranian exile who told me that the population is utterly sick of the regime which forces them to pray and demonstrate against the USA when in fact they are mostly secular by now.
Trump has managed to contain NK's push for viable nuclear weapons by threats and promises, and Kim has gone into talks with South Korea. He did this by giving Kim a photo op with the president. Surely that is worth conceding to get talks going?
Please discuss without resorting to name calling or other waffle.
David
Jim_Smith
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...eres-your-outrage-to-these-27-doj-fbi-crimes/
After Attorney General Bill Barr intercepted the excessive 7 to 9-year sentence against Roger Stone last week, over 2,000 former DOJ lawyers released a signed letter demanding AG Bill Barr resign.
In response to the anti-Barr outrage letter, a legal assistant in Orange County, California, by the name of Selma Kerren, is demanding the lawyers in question release an equally outraged letter condemning the 27 crimes and frauds perpetrated by the FBI and DOJ against the American people; many of which were begrudgingly declassified by FOIA requests and exposed by the recent Horowitz Report.
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“Since you are so concerned with the rule of law, demand is made that you immediately release a letter condemning the 27 felonies and frauds listed below, perpetrated against the American people, as follows:
1. Judge Amy Berman-Jackson poisoned Roger Stone’s jury pool by:
a. Throwing out a conservative juror because she worked for the Reagan campaign “30 years ago.”
b. Accepting a juror who is MARRIED to one of the lawyers working on the Mueller case against Trump.
c. Accepting juror, Tomika Hart, a well-known attorney and former Democrat candidate, who posted anti-Stone/anti-Trump statements on social media, before, during and after the Stone case. Hart lied on her jury questionnaire.
d. Accepting juror, Seth Cousins, a well-known, Democrat activist whose anti-Trump rants were also easily found on social media.
(Suspicously, Berman-Jackson also seems to sit on every anti-Tump, wet-dream case!)
2. U.S. intelligence agents, Halper and Mifsud were sent to Europe to target George Papadopoulos. They tell Papadopoulos the Russians have Hillary’s emails. Papadopoulos tells the Australian … but only George gets arrested.
3. FBI’s Peter Strzok and Lisa Page reportedly huddled with McCabe in his office to concoct “Andy’s Insurance Policy.”
4. The FBI interviewed the dossier Russians, who said … “We heard that stuff about Trump over beer at a bar! It was only meant in jest! We didn’t think the FBI would actually use it.”—Horowitz Report.
5. Obama State Official Kathleen Kavalec sent a memo to the et al, warning the dossier was fake but they used it, anyway.
6. Comey, Rosenstein and Yates signed four (4) FISA warrants using the dossier, which Comey admitted before Congress was ridiculous and never certified by Intel.
7. FBI Agent Kevin Clinesmith CONCOCTED an email to frame Carter page, which is tantamount to “planting evidence” on a defendant.
8. Although Clinesmith planted evidence against Carter Page, he was allowed to continue working for the FBI another 2.5 years, collecting a salary funded by tax-payers.
9. Bruce and wife Nellie Ohr funneled information against Trump to the DOJ and FBI, concocted by Fusion GPS.
10. Andrew McCabe was acquitted after admitting to lying under oath but Roger Stone may face 9 years in prison for a process crime?
11. Horowitz disclosed that Carter Page worked for the CIA, which the FBI willfully hid from the FISC, in order to get the Spy Warrants.
12. Three FBI agents said Flynn never lied. The NY Times quotes them in a January, 2017 article … “FBI Says Nothing Illicit Found In Flynn Calls” and yet he was still indicted.
13. Strzok and Page ALTERED the Flynn 302s, which the FBI is desperately trying to cover up. (Flynn’s attorney, Sydney Powell, said she has a witness to the fact, who may soon be disclosed.)
14. The FBI new about Manafort’s “short comings” since 2006 and did nothing, until he worked for Trump.
15. Wasserman-Schultz kept the Awan Brothers on the payroll knowing they hacked the entire Congress.
16. The FBI quickly whisks the Awans out of the country.
17. Joe Biden admitted on camera that he “bribed” the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma, whose Russian oligarch’s mansion and bank accounts were raided by a Ukranian SWAT team in February, 2016.
18. The Latvian Bank used to money-launder Burisma’s accounts was also raided the same date as the Trump/Ukranian call, which was covered up by the media.
19. Hunter Biden has been accused in court of counterfeiting, attempting to steal $60 Million from an American Native fund, fraud and contempt of court.
20. It’s also alleged that the Kerrys, Pelosis and acquaintances to the Romneys profited from Burisma as well.
21. Countless Democrat mayors, officials and state legislators have been indicted and/or arrested for fraud and embezzlement this past year.
22. Hillary Clinton was allowed to smash 13 devices and destroy 33,000 emails under subpoena of Congress.
23. Comey wrote Hillary’s exoneration memo 3 months before interviewing her, and then granted immunities to her cohorts, in exchange for nothing.
24. The FBI never went anywhere near the DNC server, nor performed a forensic examination, but concluded the Russians hacked the DNC, in effect allowing an outside vendor, CrowdStrike, to assess … “The nation’s most catastrophic security breach.”
25. Comey lied to the public when he said the FBI reviewed all 600,000 emails on Wiener’s laptop. Later, it was disclosed the FBI reviewed only 13,000.
26. Bob Mueller was exposed by Wikileaks as the yellow-cake bag man who sold American uranium to PUTIN … to make thermonuclear bombs … a deal closed by Bill Clinton over lunch … at Putin’s house.
27. Barack Obama gave $150 Billion to Iran, but only $400 Million was approved by Congress. It was money that belonged to the free government and free people of Iran, not the Mullahs and Ayatollahs, who will also use it to make thermonuclear bombs.
Selma Kerren punctuates her challenge to the array with a closing statement. “These are the 27 crimes and frauds which you, the anti-Barr lawyers, turned a blind eye to, thereby endorsing and covering them up. But you have the gall to ask for Barr’s resignation?”
Kerren plans to file corruption complaints against Judge Amy Berman-Jackson later this month with the DC Bar Association, the Judicial Misconduct Board and, hysterically, the FBI Civil RIghts Investigation Unit. (Yes, they handle rogue judges.) And she aims to make the charges stick.
David Bailey
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malf
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Awesome. So you would support social policies that curtail the profiteering of those companies?
Chester Hunter
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Allow Americans to buy their pharma from outside the US solves a lot (without "social" policies) - just more freedom.