Anneke Lucas, Recovering From Unimaginable Evil |441|

So there is a regular gnosticism which is pretty much the God of the old testament the God who is jealous and punishes is the demiurge, this God is not the Supreme God but a phony trickster half God. The real God is unknowable and can't be symbolized or archetyped its is beyond even the demiurges comprehension. I think Plato was a gnostic as well.

Then there is Luciferian Gnosticism, which thrust lucifer the archetype as a savior symbol, something similar to neo of the matrix. Lucifer is not Satan never was never will be. Lucifer was sent to earth hence the fallen verse in the Bible to wake up humanity from the control of the demiurge. Lucifer means light bearer/bringer. This archetype was sent by the unknowable GOD to save humanity.

I researched this stuff endlessly and it's very interesting but confusing due to subjective interpretations. I notice most African American occultists subscribe to black magick and left hand path as they believe it's in there is the true magick to fight the evils of this world. To me it makes sense as white magick is basically study, service to others, meditation, which is fine but that won't stop evil in the world, maybe black magick will? I can't say for sure. I know brother panic mentioned the qliphoth and the dark side of the qabballah and how people made it seem evil so people who be to scared to use it to liberate oneself and fight the evil in this world and transcend it. I really don't know I had to take a step back from this stuff
 
The serpent told the truth
 

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...she seemed unwilling to really explore the reality of "Satan" or demonic supernatural entities
hi... Thanks for this post. I didn't really get that sense... I mean we talked a lot about yoga and how's that presupposes the existence of an extended consciousness realm. "satan" it's just a placeholder. we've been playing around with the loosh idea as described earlier in this thread which comes a lot closer to describing what we're talking about here. this very negative dark energy can have all sorts of different names.

And the Gnostic idea that an evil entity literally controls this world
there's a lot to process and unpack with the gnostic stuff... and what we've been exploring here brings A new perspective to it... but it's not surprising to me that the pedocracy would control this world.
 
I'm not convinced of the truth of Anneke's story.

Yes, there are pedophiles and pedo prostitution rings, yes there are some fringe weirdos practicing Satan worship, yes there are corrupt/rotten/evil wealthy and powerful people (and not wealthy or powerful people), but I'm not buying the vast conspiracy of the wealthy and powerful that Anneke is peddling and many here want to believe. There simply is no tangible proof of such a thing at all.

So some psychopath murders some children in his basement and then claims to be a "cog" in a bigger machine run by powerful people. Why is anyone willing to believe a psychopath? Everything they say is a lie. The courts obviously didn't believe the psychopath (just saying, the courts heard the evidence, and lying psychopath is a viable alternative to the conspiracy theory).

Anneke won't name names. She's perfectly willing to go on a public lecture series and tell her story - something that is very unusual for a survivor to do - and, more importantly, she tells us that evil continues because we won't stand up and stop it, but she won't name any of the powerful world leaders involved in this alleged global cult. Sorry. Doesn't add up. And no, fear of being killed (per conspiracy theory) doesn't work as an explanation because she talks about being able to die in peace if you take a stand.

Then there's the fact that she seems very comfortable with her feminity. That is not normal for a survivor of long term serious abuse. Most survivors hide their body under bulky, unflattering clothes (or they make themselves be obese), they butch their hair, etc. They absolutely do not want to be seen in a sexual way.

The body language doesn't seem right. Too straight and confident for what she claims to be.

Why was she spared (without a single physical scar!) when, according to her story, so many children were killed in horrible ways? They put her on a blood soaked chopping block, but didn't chop? really? Why would these wealthy powerful people be interested in an uneducated, probably filthy and malnourished, little girl that spent most of her time languishing in dungeons and not even learning to speak properly, let alone read or write?

Back when the Cybil story became popularized, psychiatric wards became full of people, mostly women, claiming to be multiple personalities - and acting it out too on the wards. Then that fad died out and people, mostly women, began presenting as victims of satanic cults (some were the same who presented as multiple personalities a few years earlier). Then those admissions became a mere trickle and then stopped. Then there was the so called recovered memory movement and all kinds of people, mostly men, but also day care centers and religious organizations, were falsely accused of being abusers. Then there were the historic witch hunts, the allegations of the free Mason or Knights Templar poisoning the wells and on and on.

Finally, Anneke doesn't seem to appreciate the pure intentional maliciousness and intentional destructiveness [to the soul] of real evil (she writes it off to ignorance) and I think she would not attribute to mere ignorance if her story was true.
 
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I'm not convinced of the truth of Anneke's story.

Yes, there are pedophiles and pedo prostitution rings, yes there are some fringe weirdos practicing Satan worship, yes there are corrupt/rotten/evil wealthy and powerful people (and not wealthy or powerful people), but I'm not buying the vast conspiracy of the wealthy and powerful that Anneke is peddling and many here want to believe. There simply is no tangible proof of such a thing at all.

So some psychopath murders some children in his basement and then claims to be a "cog" in a bigger machine run by powerful people. Why is anyone willing to believe a psychopath? Everything they say is a lie. The courts obviously didn't believe the psychopath (just saying, the courts heard the evidence, and lying psychopath is a viable alternative to the conspiracy theory).

Anneke won't name names. She's perfectly willing to go on a public lecture series and tell her story - something that is very unusual for a survivor to do - and, more importantly, she tells us that evil continues because we won't stand up and stop it, but she won't name any of the powerful world leaders involved in this alleged global cult. Sorry. Doesn't add up. And no, fear of being killed (per conspiracy theory) doesn't work as an explanation because she talks about being able to die in peace if you take a stand.

Then there's the fact that she seems very comfortable with her feminity. That is not normal for a survivor of long term serious abuse. Most survivors hide their body under bulky, unflattering clothes (or they make themselves be obese), they butch their hair, etc. They absolutely do not want to be seen in a sexual way.

The body language doesn't seem right. Too straight and confident for what she claims to be.

Why was she spared (without a single physical scar!) when, according to her story, so many children were killed in horrible ways? They put her on a blood soaked chopping block, but didn't chop? really? Why would these wealthy powerful people be interested in an uneducated, probably filthy and malnourished, little girl that spent most of her time languishing in dungeons and not even learning to speak properly, let alone read or write?

Back when the Cybil story became popularized, psychiatric wards became full of people, mostly women, claiming to be multiple personalities - and acting it out too on the wards. Then that fad died out and people, mostly women, began presenting as victims of satanic cults (some were the same who presented as multiple personalities a few years earlier). Then those admissions became a mere trickle and then stopped. Then there was the so called recovered memory movement and all kinds of people, mostly men, but also day care centers and religious organizations, were falsely accused of being abusers. Then there were the historic witch hunts, the allegations of the free Mason or Knights Templar poisoning the wells and on and on.

Finally, Anneke doesn't seem to appreciate the pure intentional maliciousness and intentional destructiveness [to the soul] of real evil (she writes it off to ignorance) and I think she would not attribute to mere ignorance if her story was true.
You know Eric, you have crystallised a lot of thoughts that were running through my head as I listened to that podcast. Like you, I am not convinced, but it really isn't inconceivable. Consider Epstein,

The idea of a rich paedophile buying an island and populating it with girls who are picked up by his girlfriend and persuaded to go to this island, then arranging prominent politicians from many countries to come in by private jet and enjoy having sex with underage girls so that they can be blackmailed later..... This goes on for year after year! It sounds too far fetched to be real, but sadly it was real (I presume).

David
 
I'm not convinced of the truth of Anneke's story.

Yes, there are pedophiles and pedo prostitution rings, yes there are some fringe weirdos practicing Satan worship, yes there are corrupt/rotten/evil wealthy and powerful people (and not wealthy or powerful people), but I'm not buying the vast conspiracy of the wealthy and powerful that Anneke is peddling and many here want to believe. There simply is no tangible proof of such a thing at all.

So some psychopath murders some children in his basement and then claims to be a "cog" in a bigger machine run by powerful people. Why is anyone willing to believe a psychopath? Everything they say is a lie. The courts obviously didn't believe the psychopath (just saying, the courts heard the evidence, and lying psychopath is a viable alternative to the conspiracy theory).

Anneke won't name names. She's perfectly willing to go on a public lecture series and tell her story - something that is very unusual for a survivor to do - and, more importantly, she tells us that evil continues because we won't stand up and stop it, but she won't name any of the powerful world leaders involved in this alleged global cult. Sorry. Doesn't add up. And no, fear of being killed (per conspiracy theory) doesn't work as an explanation because she talks about being able to die in peace if you take a stand.

Then there's the fact that she seems very comfortable with her feminity. That is not normal for a survivor of long term serious abuse. Most survivors hide their body under bulky, unflattering clothes (or they make themselves be obese), they butch their hair, etc. They absolutely do not want to be seen in a sexual way.

The body language doesn't seem right. Too straight and confident for what she claims to be.

Why was she spared (without a single physical scar!) when, according to her story, so many children were killed in horrible ways? They put her on a blood soaked chopping block, but didn't chop? really? Why would these wealthy powerful people be interested in an uneducated, probably filthy and malnourished, little girl that spent most of her time languishing in dungeons and not even learning to speak properly, let alone read or write?

Back when the Cybil story became popularized, psychiatric wards became full of people, mostly women, claiming to be multiple personalities - and acting it out too on the wards. Then that fad died out and people, mostly women, began presenting as victims of satanic cults (some were the same who presented as multiple personalities a few years earlier). Then those admissions became a mere trickle and then stopped. Then there was the so called recovered memory movement and all kinds of people, mostly men, but also day care centers and religious organizations, were falsely accused of being abusers. Then there were the historic witch hunts, the allegations of the free Mason or Knights Templar poisoning the wells and on and on.

Finally, Anneke doesn't seem to appreciate the pure intentional maliciousness and intentional destructiveness [to the soul] of real evil (she writes it off to ignorance) and I think she would not attribute to mere ignorance if her story was true.
I'm with you to on this
 
You know Eric, you have crystallised a lot of thoughts that were running through my head as I listened to that podcast. Like you, I am not convinced, but it really isn't inconceivable. Consider Epstein,

The idea of a rich paedophile buying an island and populating it with girls who are picked up by his girlfriend and persuaded to go to this island, then arranging prominent politicians from many countries to come in by private jet and enjoy having sex with underage girls so that they can be blackmailed later..... This goes on for year after year! It sounds too far fetched to be real, but sadly it was real (I presume).

David
I really can't recommend that anyone "do the research" because it's kind of like staring into the abyss... but if you do you will find that, unfortunately, all the stuff is true.

so I guess the real question is what prevents us from accepting these dark dark truths? that's a question I have been exploring personally and on the show. one of the things that helps me sort through this is the"burden of proof" thing.

so david mentioned epstein... and we could look at the catholic church as well... and you could add franklin scandal... the point is once all this stuff begins to pile up you have to shift over and say "ok well the burden of proof has shifted." so, it's not a matter of proving whether anneke's story is true, it's a matter of proving that anneke's story is untrue.

It's also interesting all the parallels this has to some of the other topics we talked about on Skeptiko... psi... NDE... burden of proof has shifted... remember the conversations we used to have 5 or 6 years ago... those skeptical arguments seem silly now.
 
You know Eric, you have crystallised a lot of thoughts that were running through my head as I listened to that podcast. Like you, I am not convinced, but it really isn't inconceivable. Consider Epstein,

The idea of a rich paedophile buying an island and populating it with girls who are picked up by his girlfriend and persuaded to go to this island, then arranging prominent politicians from many countries to come in by private jet and enjoy having sex with underage girls so that they can be blackmailed later..... This goes on for year after year! It sounds too far fetched to be real, but sadly it was real (I presume).

David

Epstein is whole different animal. There were no girls kidnapped and sold into slavery. The girls, by their own story, volunteered to be Epstein's personal masseuse. They weren't six years old. Seems to me that they were 15 or 16 going on 30. They got paid, etc.

Not making excuses for Epstein, but the girls were quite willing to play the game (and still are. They're getting paid big time).

I'm sure that many wealthy and not wealthy men fantasize about having an island populated with willing sex toys. The wealthy guy has the bank to actually do it. Whole different thing from slavery, Satanism, torture and murder.

ALSO - the Epstein girls named names.
 
I really can't recommend that anyone "do the research" because it's kind of like staring into the abyss... but if you do you will find that, unfortunately, all the stuff is true.

so I guess the real question is what prevents us from accepting these dark dark truths? that's a question I have been exploring personally and on the show. one of the things that helps me sort through this is the"burden of proof" thing.

so david mentioned epstein... and we could look at the catholic church as well... and you could add franklin scandal... the point is once all this stuff begins to pile up you have to shift over and say "ok well the burden of proof has shifted." so, it's not a matter of proving whether anneke's story is true, it's a matter of proving that anneke's story is untrue.

It's also interesting all the parallels this has to some of the other topics we talked about on Skeptiko... psi... NDE... burden of proof has shifted... remember the conversations we used to have 5 or 6 years ago... those skeptical arguments seem silly now.
I don't think it prevents people from doing the research, for me it's not important that some psychopath(s) claim to be doing harm in the name of Satan or Lucifer or GOD. The important part is people being hurt and raped. To me the satanic stuff if it does happen is generally just cosplay. People lie to make things seem more scary and daunting. In relation to Eric's post about people making up psychiatry disorders. I recently read that from a psychologist who says majority of people do make up symptoms, many psychiatrist don't care cause they get kickback for pills. For example people who say they heard a voice tell them to do something are lying cause they can test sound waves in the brain and they found out its the person's own inner voice or inner critic. People that do get abused, they develop their apathetic/critical inner voice and become a slave to it do to the physical mental and behavioral abuse. Interesting stuff indeed
 
I really can't recommend that anyone "do the research" because it's kind of like staring into the abyss... but if you do you will find that, unfortunately, all the stuff is true.

so I guess the real question is what prevents us from accepting these dark dark truths? that's a question I have been exploring personally and on the show. one of the things that helps me sort through this is the"burden of proof" thing.

so david mentioned epstein... and we could look at the catholic church as well... and you could add franklin scandal... the point is once all this stuff begins to pile up you have to shift over and say "ok well the burden of proof has shifted." so, it's not a matter of proving whether anneke's story is true, it's a matter of proving that anneke's story is untrue.

It's also interesting all the parallels this has to some of the other topics we talked about on Skeptiko... psi... NDE... burden of proof has shifted... remember the conversations we used to have 5 or 6 years ago... those skeptical arguments seem silly now.

I have no problem looking into the abyss. In fact, I'm the one who keeps saying how terrible beyond description real evil actually is.

The abyss tells me, also, that people make up stories for the weirdest personal reasons and they have no problem misleading people's perception of reality in the process.

You're going to have to come up something better than "Joe the retired bored cop and a psychopath said..." which confirms some woman's story for me to accept that the world is controlled by satan worshipping pedophiliac slavers
 
thanks Richard... yes, very strange indeed. it's almost as if the primary directive is -- don't violate the biological robot materialism meme.

Yes, the MKUltra theme is being pushed now like it’s a good thing, let’s keep creating mind-controlled slaves, it’s so fun and easy . . .

“Sabrina Carpenter is one of the many child stars who grew inside the Disney system who then launched a solo career that is defined by the debased agenda of the occult elite. Not unlike other ex-Disney stars such as Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, and countless others, Sabrina Carpenter had a huge fanbase consisting of children who watch the Disney Channel. Her transition into a solo pop star also caused her fans to “transition” to a deeper level of disturbing material.”
https://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbu...mind-control-of-a-young-girl-dmade-by-disney/


And the masses seem to LOVE it!
 
psychopath(s) claim to be doing harm in the name of Satan or Lucifer or GOD.
do you think there's any possibility that these extended realms are interacting with these folks... they are explicitly asking for assistance from entities in the extended realm... are these entities lending a hand?
 
remember the conversations we used to have 5 or 6 years ago... those skeptical arguments seem silly now.
Do they?

If we are at all trying to be honest in this community I would suggest this is a dangerous way of thinking. There remains a full-throated skeptical community regarding this community's general views on consciousness, psi, NDEs, etc. It remains far from settled to my view and I realize I'm speaking in a heretical manner to most readers here.

The stuff from "5 or 6 years ago" may never end up as settled science, so I think its just fine to have your own personal view (one way or the other). Obviously I'm interested in the non-materialist explanations or I wouldn't be a reader here. But making a general categorization of this stuff as being settled just isn't reality.
 
A related question for me, regarding HOW this stuff actually works, is around MKULTRA and similar techniques. How successful were those experiments? How programmable are humans?

I too recently came to the forum / am also digging Alex's "Trilogy on Evil" (439,440,441). I just finished reading 1984 and synchronistically today SageofQuay posted a YouTube video "Brave New World vs 1984: Huxley Tells Orwell 'I Was Right'”

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Huxley outright says the powerful need to use mind control, mesmerism, drugs, etc. to most effectively maintain their power (i.e. easier to let people love their servitude versus using 'the club/prisons').

How programmable are humans? I think very much so. Easier to conform inside the desolate landscape of materialist scientism versus be marginalised as a loon who believes in the potential of 'pseudoscientific' concepts such as soul, orgone, chi, electrogravitics, etc.
 
Anneke won't name names. She's perfectly willing to go on a public lecture series and tell her story - something that is very unusual for a survivor to do - and, more importantly, she tells us that evil continues because we won't stand up and stop it, but she won't name any of the powerful world leaders involved in this alleged global cult. Sorry. Doesn't add up. And no, fear of being killed (per conspiracy theory) doesn't work as an explanation because she talks about being able to die in peace if you take a stand.

The two original whistleblowers, from over a decade ago, were Cathy O’Brien and Brice Taylor. They both published books naming names. If you’re not familiar with their stories, they really set the stage for the current trend. O’Brien is still alive and on the lecture scene, not sure about Taylor. Point being, O’Brien’s pointed out names, repeatedly, of those still living even, and is ‘famous’ in this conspiracy circle for her whistleblowing, she’s still alive, and no one she accuses has denied her publicly, as far as I know.
 
The two original whistleblowers, from over a decade ago, were Cathy O’Brien and Brice Taylor. They both published books naming names. If you’re not familiar with their stories, they really set the stage for the current trend. O’Brien is still alive and on the lecture scene, not sure about Taylor. Point being, O’Brien’s pointed out names, repeatedly, of those still living even, and is ‘famous’ in this conspiracy circle for her whistleblowing, she’s still alive, and no one she accuses has denied her publicly, as far as I know.

Ok. Why she still alive? Why hasn't the vast conspiracy killed her?

hey I was raped by Bernie Sanders, who is a Satan worshipper and part of a vast communist satan worshipping network.

There, I just named names too. ready for the lecture series!

Do you think Bernie will bother to address my accusations?
 
do you think there's any possibility that these extended realms are interacting with these folks... they are explicitly asking for assistance from entities in the extended realm... are these entities lending a hand?

I think that psychopaths - real ones - are straight up agents of the dark side of the extended realm. They are not "influenced", they are that. Your turn to look into the abyss.

People want to make excuses for these assholes and the assholes are all too willing to create excuses, most of which are bald faced lies that they know regular people will accept. Oh poor thing was abused as child, etc. Well, they weren't. they slander their parents like they slander anyone when convenient. "I hear voices. I'm not competent to stand trial" is another classic excuse. Satan is a liar and, therefore, so are these assholes
 
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Ok. Why she still alive? Why hasn't the vast conspiracy killed her?

hey I was raped by Bernie Sanders, who is a Satan worshipper and part of a vast communist satan worshipping network.

There, I just named names too. ready for the lecture series!

Do you think Bernie will bother to address my accusations?

Your questions parallel my own. She’s made a career of this, how does that happen?
 
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