Coronavirus Pandemic

I am going to hang it out there - by mid-June, my prediction for the US is a MAX number of 35K deaths attributed to COVID-19.

If we hit 35K whereby the reality is that this is 35K more deaths than what would otherwise be the number of deaths from all other causes, this would definitely justify the serious actions being taken to ensure this number is not higher and to ensure that measures taken so far and which will be further taken are done so to ensure the usual care required for ALL that need care from any illness that would justify/receive care in normal conditions is not compromised and that the care be of the same level for the additional COVID-19 sufferers.

This is a true, serious challenge for the US if the US is to accomplish the above stated goal.

Well enough modeling is in (in the US) that is sound, has a low range, has a high range, has a medium (expected) highest likelihood and which, when daily new input is placed into these models, can allow for realistic adjustments to these models... and from this information, decisions as to what is needed where are better determined and these is done in consideration of what is actually possible to do.

I may adjust my prediction MAX from time to time in this thread.

Ohhhh... I am no scientist or Dr. and have no "degree" in number crunching.

In respect to the above "prediction" I posted on March 30 - as the models prove massively over "predicted" - its looking more and more like the numbers will end up much closer to my prediction which IMO would be a very good thing for all...

After Updating Predictions on Sunday Latest IHME Predictions Already 20% Over Actual Numbers -- May Be Looking at 46,000 Total US Coronavirus Deaths or Less
 
In the President's briefing tonight, Dr. Brix stated plainly and clearly that if anyone dies and has tested positive for COVID-19, their death is attributed to COVID-19.

No one can say with any accuracy as to how many of those folks may have soon died (within a very short time frame) anyways, but what is certain, is that there likely are such cases.

It is looking more and more and more like.... ok, I won't say it. I was just told on a mainstream news channel, I am not allowed to say it.
 
In the President's briefing tonight, Dr. Brix stated plainly and clearly that if anyone dies and has tested positive for COVID-19, their death is attributed to COVID-19.

No one can say with any accuracy as to how many of those folks may have soon died (within a very short time frame) anyways, but what is certain, is that there likely are such cases.

It is looking more and more and more like.... ok, I won't say it. I was just told on a mainstream news channel, I am not allowed to say it.
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SAY WHAT? If someone had one foot on the banana peel & Covid-19 took them out. I pretty much agree to call it Covid-19. Now, back to what YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING. WHAT?! You have freedom of speech here. Planned? Taking out the old or blacks? What? Weaponized? What is your theory?
 
Certain places already don't have much choice about vaccines. I live in California. Here you can't even get a medical exemption from your doctor without approval from a bureaucratic state board that isn't doctors. Without all the mandated vaccines you can't go to school. Home school is the only option.

I was planning on putting my house on the market to move out of state because of this but then we went into quarantine.

“Denmark's parliament on Thursday night unanimously passed an emergency coronavirus law which gives health authorities powers to force testing, treatment and quarantine with the backing of the police…As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus.”
https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law

Regardless of the deadliness or not of this disease. Regardless of all the other stuff going on, this even will absolutely be used to push stronger mandatory vaccine laws in lots of places. There are something like 17 coronavirus vaccines being rushed through testing to get put out. They're already building production for them. https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/coronavirus-vaccines



I was being factitious with that comment mocking how other people talk about Trump. You're the second person that commented on it so apparently the sarcasm didn't come through.
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LOL, "Orange man" going to be re-elected in 2020.

WTH are you still doing in California? Get out. I was born in Florida (Miami) it turned into a nightmare. Florida is no place to raise a family. I told my husband, "You want kids? Then we have to move." We moved to Georgia I am SO GLAD we did.

We both quit our jobs, sold our home, knew nobody in Ga. & didn't have jobs here and we did great! First off, people are pretty polite here, granted you don't have the great seafood or museums, but it's natural. For the children, they can go to any state college in Georgia free as long as they keep a "B" average. Consider that. If you want them to go to Emory University (one of the best private colleges) you just get a job at Emory & they go free.

Both of my children are now in their 20's, make over 6 figure incomes & either built or bought their new homes. My son even has a "golden parachute" in his contract, I NEVER got that! Plus 100% 401K matching, benefits are great! I'm not a Bible thumper (we do tend to have those) but you can silence them with manners. BECAUSE when you come here, everyone wants to put you in a box. I don't fit in a box. So they will ask "What church do you go to?" What neighborhood do you live in & what do you do for a living?" All things to put you into the box.

I just tell them I don't discuss religion, people's age or politics because my mother taught us that was rude to ask. OR you can just tell them you go to the "Free Chapel", you're an independent & age... hum (Jack Benny 39). I personally tell them I'm 22 & have been ill lately. OR I'm 78 to which their eyes pop out & they tell me how GREAT I look! I hope so... not 78. LOL I might go with I'm 82. OMG, can you imagine the face cream I could sell!!!!?

You can buy MY house! :-) You'll get a lot more house here I think. I'm on Lake Lanier, gated, in a forest (lots of deer & wildlife), it's really safe. Our house is like a castle so it is 670K (which is pretty cheap for what you'd get). 3 stories, 3 car garage. Eh, I should send you my listing, but THAT would be too weird I guess. Go on Zillow. The house across from me was 2M, and most of the houses here are 1M or up. It's the dock permit that jacks up the price. I'm working on a permit (I never cared before). I won't raise the price, but if I got one, it would be = to maybe 900K I think. At least 850K.

I was watching all the demographics of who was moving here. They are all from out west. But right now with this stupid pandemic, it certainly put a damper on selling. GOD, I thought what if someone wants to come to look, so I already have a bunch of rules ready. But, nobody is looking at houses. I mean I can see I got 600 looks in 30 days and 25 "saves". But, I think people are too afraid to move right now.

This is the weirdest time... everyone worldwide "sheltered in place". I have no idea what is up. I'm just staying in. This will be my first Easter without my family :-( I've told them we all have to have Easter in our own homes (mostly because of new grandbaby). Is anyone going to have Easter dinner with their extended families???? I hate this.
 
In the President's briefing tonight, Dr. Brix stated plainly and clearly that if anyone dies and has tested positive for COVID-19, their death is attributed to COVID-19.

No one can say with any accuracy as to how many of those folks may have soon died (within a very short time frame) anyways, but what is certain, is that there likely are such cases.

It is looking more and more and more like.... ok, I won't say it. I was just told on a mainstream news channel, I am not allowed to say it.
Is there a clip of that yet?
 
Just in case you missed it. President Trump just DEFUNDED the W.H.O.! Thank God! They were the worst!!!! Same people who gave vaccinations w/disease in it to the African people!
 
Just in case you missed it. President Trump just DEFUNDED the W.H.O.! Thank God! They were the worst!!!! Same people who gave vaccinations w/disease in it to the African people!

He didn't defund it. He said he's considering putting the funding "on hold" while they review it all. Hopefully, the US will stop the funding but it has not (yet) been defunded.

It makes sense to me that if the US supports an international health organization, the organization is accountable. In addition, a real medical doctor should be in charge, not an academic "doctor" like this Tedros guy. (he's a PhD in "global health') - like this:
https://globalhealth.washington.edu/education-training/phd-gh
 
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SAY WHAT? If someone had one foot on the banana peel & Covid-19 took them out. I pretty much agree to call it Covid-19. Now, back to what YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING. WHAT?! You have freedom of speech here. Planned? Taking out the old or blacks? What? Weaponized? What is your theory?

Its not my theory. This same basic "thinking" has been echoed by statisticians, doctors, especially virologists around the globe.

If. for example an average of 100,000 hospitalized people died from non-accident causes during Januaray 15 and July 15 (population adjusted numbers) over the last three or four years and they find that this year, 110,000 yet they say that 50,000 died of COVID-19, how do you explain the miraculous difference downward for the 40,000 who did not die from non-COVID-19 causes?

Pretty good question if you ask me.
 
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Its not my theory. This same basic "thinking" has been echoed by statisticians, doctors, especially virologists around the globe.

If. for example an average of 100,000 hospitalized people died from non-accident causes during Januaray 15 and July 15 (population adjusted numbers) over the last three or four years and they find that this year, 110,000 yet they say that 50,000 died of COVID-19, how do you explain the miraculous difference downward for the 40,000 who did not die from non-COVID-19 causes?

Pretty good question if you ask me.

None of the statistics matter. The vast majority of people are too stupid or don't care enough to look into it. Those of us not in a mind controlled stupor will point out the statistics and our numbers will grow, but too slowly to make a difference any time soon.

This is a brilliant game they're playing...

Move 1: have some Corona virus pandemic exercises in October 2019 with all the top execs and government officials to scare the shit out of them about what a Corona virus pandemic could do to us. With it fresh in their minds, they'll voluntarily commit business suicide to save 10 million people.

Move 2: Unleash the virus all over the world, but blame China "wet markets" (eww gross!) and bat soup. This diverts a large part of the discussion into politics. It gives the people who are already suspicious of China and open borders a reason to dig in. And on the other hand, praise the collectivist totalitarian response in China for squashing this bug more rapidly than the free and open Western democracies.

Move 3: Declare a worldwide pandemic very early before there's even 200 known cases. This will provide a good talking point later to those wishing to oust Trump and provoke more funding for the police state: "you had so much time to do something, but you didn't do anything! Your hesitation and inadequate response is why we're in this mess! Why can't you do things more like China!"

Move 4: have a bunch of key CEOs and Celebrities and media personalities begin isolating and self-quarantining, and start a social media campaign promoting shelter in place so that all governments big and small feel pressured to follow.

Move 5: Use the shelter in place orders to pop the bubbles and crash the economy.
Move 5(a): use the opportunity to consolidate, buy up cheap stocks, and businesses.
Move 5(b): redirect the economic pain and anger at certain scapegoats you wish to get out of power.

Move 6: Since the virus is already everywhere, the apparent infection rate will climb with the testing rate, so as long as there is an exponential increase in testing, it will appear there is an exponential increase in the infections. This is why there was all the futzing around with the test kits early on followed by mass distribution.

Move 7: Once the people have reached their limit and had all they can stand of the shutdown, announce that our collective efforts have squashed this bug TEMPORARILY and without any noticeable rise in overall morbidity.

Move 8: Continually remind people of the looming threat of Corona's return. Since it only apparently infected 5% of the population, it could come back and sweep over us any time and that would force us to have another round of social distancing and isolation.... UNLESS we have been vaccinated. NOBODY wants another round of this economic suicide, so this will put enormous social pressure on everyone to take the vaccine as soon as it becomes available. People will beg Bill Gates to finish his vaccine factories sooner so we can get the barrel of the Corona gun off our foreheads.

Move 9: Eliminate all legal protections for those who wish to refuse vaccinations. Eliminate the ability to opt out of vaccine registries. Give everyone dog tags (or some form of ID) proving they're up to date on vaccinations.

To call someone a "chicken" means they are faint of heart... Chickens will literally die of a heart attack when the mere shadow of a hawk flies over. We live in a world full of stupid chickens.

I haven't felt like such a gnostic - so frustrated with and alienated by the stupidity of fellow humanity for failing to see the obviousness of the manipulation by the demi-gods above us - since I became a 9/11 truther back around 2004.
 
I haven't felt like such a gnostic - so frustrated with and alienated by the stupidity of fellow humanity for failing to see the obviousness of the manipulation by the demi-gods above us - since I became a 9/11 truther back around 2004.

I feel like this since I first rebelled - this means, literally as long as I can remember myself - so I can understand your pain.

I literally don't know what kind of mistreatment of the people will be harsh and unbearable enough, so they would rise up against the elites at last. It seems that the human spirit is crushed and broken completely, and we are being dragged in a hellish nightmare of a future.

Maybe this mass panic debacle will have a positive impact in a long run, in the sense that it will fill countless human souls with such unbearable, tormenting, burning mixture of fear, hatred, wrath and despair that large masses of people would feel that they simply have nothing to lose, and will start a mass insurrection against the ruling groups. Like it was in the end of World War I, when horror and desperation of war lead people in many countries to overthrow their rulers via armed revolutions.
 
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I feel like this since I first rebelled - this means, literally as long as I can remember myself - so I can understand your pain.

I literally don't know what kind of mistreatment of the people will be harsh and unbearable enough, so they would rise up against the elites at last. It seems that the human spirit is crushed and broken completely, and we are being dragged in a hellish nightmare of a future.

Maybe this mass panic debacle will have a positive impact in a long run, in the sense that it will fill countless human souls with such unbearable, tormenting, burning mixture of fear, hatred, wrath and despair that large masses of people would feel that they simply have nothing to lose, and will start a mass insurrection against the ruling groups. Like it was in the end of World War I, when horror and desperation of war lead people in many countries to overthrow their rulers via armed revolutions.

The fantasy of the masses of people rising up and throwing the elite jack boot off the throat would be lovely and I'd be all for it if the people were actually wise enough to rule themselves. They are not. It won't happen and it shouldn't happen that way because unless people are ready for it, simply destroying the old power structure would make things worse.

We need to raise the collective intelligence of people and by increasing the connectivity and ability to communicate and we are doing that. That is why long term I am optimistic. Progress has been made and the internet will bear some good fruit in the long run.

...but short term... meh... the childlike populace still needs parents I guess. But me... I feel like I'm 17... freedom is within sight, but I'm still stuck in middle of the back seat on a family road trip surrounded by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and Gates is the asshole father driving us into the Grand Canyon.
 
None of the statistics matter. The vast majority of people are too stupid or don't care enough to look into it. Those of us not in a mind controlled stupor will point out the statistics and our numbers will grow, but too slowly to make a difference any time soon.

This is a brilliant game they're playing...

Move 1: have some Corona virus pandemic exercises in October 2019 with all the top execs and government officials to scare the shit out of them about what a Corona virus pandemic could do to us. With it fresh in their minds, they'll voluntarily commit business suicide to save 10 million people.

Move 2: Unleash the virus all over the world, but blame China "wet markets" (eww gross!) and bat soup. This diverts a large part of the discussion into politics. It gives the people who are already suspicious of China and open borders a reason to dig in. And on the other hand, praise the collectivist totalitarian response in China for squashing this bug more rapidly than the free and open Western democracies.

Move 3: Declare a worldwide pandemic very early before there's even 200 known cases. This will provide a good talking point later to those wishing to oust Trump and provoke more funding for the police state: "you had so much time to do something, but you didn't do anything! Your hesitation and inadequate response is why we're in this mess! Why can't you do things more like China!"

Move 4: have a bunch of key CEOs and Celebrities and media personalities begin isolating and self-quarantining, and start a social media campaign promoting shelter in place so that all governments big and small feel pressured to follow.

Move 5: Use the shelter in place orders to pop the bubbles and crash the economy.
Move 5(a): use the opportunity to consolidate, buy up cheap stocks, and businesses.
Move 5(b): redirect the economic pain and anger at certain scapegoats you wish to get out of power.

Move 6: Since the virus is already everywhere, the apparent infection rate will climb with the testing rate, so as long as there is an exponential increase in testing, it will appear there is an exponential increase in the infections. This is why there was all the futzing around with the test kits early on followed by mass distribution.

Move 7: Once the people have reached their limit and had all they can stand of the shutdown, announce that our collective efforts have squashed this bug TEMPORARILY and without any noticeable rise in overall morbidity.

Move 8: Continually remind people of the looming threat of Corona's return. Since it only apparently infected 5% of the population, it could come back and sweep over us any time and that would force us to have another round of social distancing and isolation.... UNLESS we have been vaccinated. NOBODY wants another round of this economic suicide, so this will put enormous social pressure on everyone to take the vaccine as soon as it becomes available. People will beg Bill Gates to finish his vaccine factories sooner so we can get the barrel of the Corona gun off our foreheads.

Move 9: Eliminate all legal protections for those who wish to refuse vaccinations. Eliminate the ability to opt out of vaccine registries. Give everyone dog tags (or some form of ID) proving they're up to date on vaccinations.

To call someone a "chicken" means they are faint of heart... Chickens will literally die of a heart attack when the mere shadow of a hawk flies over. We live in a world full of stupid chickens.

I haven't felt like such a gnostic - so frustrated with and alienated by the stupidity of fellow humanity for failing to see the obviousness of the manipulation by the demi-gods above us - since I became a 9/11 truther back around 2004.

I agree with you that none of the statistics matter... to you and to me. But to the masses, whose perceptions are being massively manipulated by "the usual suspects," I strive to point out where "end of the world" scenarios and the associated numbers to those scenarios have been so hugely over-exaggerated and that the real numbers coming in prove it! (even though you and I also agree the numbers can be manipulated as well... though (IMO) not as easily).

Funny that my "wake-up" began in late 2002, almost coinciding with yours.

That was an EXCELLENT post of yours - ie. #431, and not saying your others have not been... but this one (for me) was particularly outstanding.
 
Its not my theory. This same basic "thinking" has been echoed by statisticians, doctors, especially virologists around the globe.

If. for example an average of 100,000 hospitalized people died from non-accident causes during Januaray 15 and July 15 (population adjusted numbers) over the last three or four years and they find that this year, 110,000 yet they say that 50,000 died of COVID-19, how do you explain the miraculous difference downward for the 40,000 who did not die from non-COVID-19 causes?

Pretty good question if you ask me.
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I like it, like it. Still not too sure what that means. Are you talking Bill Gates is gonna get us all w/the vaccine theory? Maybe, just watched him again (he keeps blinking his eyes) < sign of lying. Another funny thing he kept doing, using his "international" middle finger sign to make his point. Not a good look.

OR
Are you suggesting the aliens will be rounding us up? Plausible. People do go missing. Maybe they need a take out meal. hum, nobody can visit you in the hospital... you get buried without embalming or post toasted. I don't know, that seems kind of out there.

OR
They are going to randomly kill off people? Like it, like it, but... ehh, I don't think THAT would work. Too many eyes. OMG it's like that movie where the operating room nurse puts the bad gas in the oxygen tanks so people die on the table! Nobody knew until the end of the movie.

You know there is the 5G angle as well. Well, we got a problem, whatever ass caused this. I'm going w/yellow man not orange man. My God, can you imagine what is going on in N.Korea? Did you know the only books you are allowed to read there are all written by that leader or one of his family people? Or little puppet masters.
 
@Atlantis

Nothing would surprise me if it became clear that any of the "theories" you mentioned above end up being true or partially true. But I don't entertain any of those possibilities in my overall world view as a.) if true, nothing I can do about it anyways and b.) operating on assumptions like that likely harms others (and myself).

Even the possibilities suggested by Hurmanetar are, for me, more plausible, yet the same tow things apply with one exception... and that is to do what I can to expand awareness of the possibilities BUT to do so within the framework of, "how can this information as a possibility help you such that you become a better person for others and yourself.

So, based on the above, my operational protocols require me to operate within the framework I perceive is held by the individual or group with which I am interacting. I then strive to "locate" where they are within te set of all possibility, and then seek their hand such that I might gradually assist them by pulling them out of the traps their mind maintains for them.. all and only if they are willing to and desire to extricate themselves from their nightmare.
 
None of the statistics matter. The vast majority of people are too stupid or don't care enough to look into it. Those of us not in a mind controlled stupor will point out the statistics and our numbers will grow, but too slowly to make a difference any time soon.

This is a brilliant game they're playing...

Move 1: have some Corona virus pandemic exercises in October 2019 with all the top execs and government officials to scare the shit out of them about what a Corona virus pandemic could do to us. With it fresh in their minds, they'll voluntarily commit business suicide to save 10 million people.

Move 2: Unleash the virus all over the world, but blame China "wet markets" (eww gross!) and bat soup. This diverts a large part of the discussion into politics. It gives the people who are already suspicious of China and open borders a reason to dig in. And on the other hand, praise the collectivist totalitarian response in China for squashing this bug more rapidly than the free and open Western democracies.

Move 3: Declare a worldwide pandemic very early before there's even 200 known cases. This will provide a good talking point later to those wishing to oust Trump and provoke more funding for the police state: "you had so much time to do something, but you didn't do anything! Your hesitation and inadequate response is why we're in this mess! Why can't you do things more like China!"

Move 4: have a bunch of key CEOs and Celebrities and media personalities begin isolating and self-quarantining, and start a social media campaign promoting shelter in place so that all governments big and small feel pressured to follow.

Move 5: Use the shelter in place orders to pop the bubbles and crash the economy.
Move 5(a): use the opportunity to consolidate, buy up cheap stocks, and businesses.
Move 5(b): redirect the economic pain and anger at certain scapegoats you wish to get out of power.

Move 6: Since the virus is already everywhere, the apparent infection rate will climb with the testing rate, so as long as there is an exponential increase in testing, it will appear there is an exponential increase in the infections. This is why there was all the futzing around with the test kits early on followed by mass distribution.

Move 7: Once the people have reached their limit and had all they can stand of the shutdown, announce that our collective efforts have squashed this bug TEMPORARILY and without any noticeable rise in overall morbidity.

Move 8: Continually remind people of the looming threat of Corona's return. Since it only apparently infected 5% of the population, it could come back and sweep over us any time and that would force us to have another round of social distancing and isolation.... UNLESS we have been vaccinated. NOBODY wants another round of this economic suicide, so this will put enormous social pressure on everyone to take the vaccine as soon as it becomes available. People will beg Bill Gates to finish his vaccine factories sooner so we can get the barrel of the Corona gun off our foreheads.

Move 9: Eliminate all legal protections for those who wish to refuse vaccinations. Eliminate the ability to opt out of vaccine registries. Give everyone dog tags (or some form of ID) proving they're up to date on vaccinations.

To call someone a "chicken" means they are faint of heart... Chickens will literally die of a heart attack when the mere shadow of a hawk flies over. We live in a world full of stupid chickens.

I haven't felt like such a gnostic - so frustrated with and alienated by the stupidity of fellow humanity for failing to see the obviousness of the manipulation by the demi-gods above us - since I became a 9/11 truther back around 2004.
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Oh, we don't need "dog tags" they already made the vaccine. It has a reader chip in the vaccine. I just saw it on another podcast. Thank you, Bill Gates. Well, Gates is either one of the smartest people on earth who saw it coming or an evil one. He has stepped down as CEO of Microsoft.

Loved your post.
 
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Oh, we don't need "dog tags" they already made the vaccine. It has a reader chip in the vaccine. I just saw it on another podcast. Thank you, Bill Gates. Well, Gates is either one of the smartest people on earth who saw it coming or an evil one. He has stepped down as CEO of Microsoft.

Loved your post.
I started to say: dog tags / ID card / microchip / mark of the beast...
 
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