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I would say a monk or a open minded psychiatrist who has compassion. Psychiatry is a pseudo science, even mainstream psychiatrists believe so. It has no basis its based off subjective opinions
This guy shares a similar perspective.
So sorry, I am crazy busy David.Can you give me a bit more idea what this video is about before I spend an hour listening to it? Can you explain how it relates to Michael Jackson, whom I have also thought was a weirdo and probable paedophile.
David
So sorry, I am crazy busy David.
I particularly like your: "Propaganda is a way to create an egragore that grows as concepts are fed into it. It then has the power to influence. Has a covid 19 egragore been created and fed?"Since the concept of egragores has been raised a couple of times, i'd like to present some perspectives. Perspective is important. Depending on it defines whether it is reality or not.
In my perspective they are very real and actually self evident.
Firstly what is it? Put simply it is basically group think, a type of group mind that forms when people come together for a common goal. This is simplistic concept of it. The Indian Buddhist definition would be any illusory or mind created apparition.
Carl Jung wrote...
"Philemon and other figures of my fantasies brought home to me crucial insight that there are things in the psyche which I do not produce but which produce themselves and have their own life."
In the occult sense it is a collective thought form that is made up of the thoughts of individuals and in turn it influences, forming a symbiotic connection.
Look at how people behave in groups, we call it mob think. See how panic and violence can quickly escalate to the point of what we would call individual behavior as psychotic. Things are done by individuals that they would never do normally. The group consciousness overtakes, it influences.
Has anyone been inside an ancient Gothic cathedral and felt what that is like? Even if that person has no connection, has no religious belief that powerful feeling is hard to ignore. That place has an egragore of it's own, fed by countless thoughts and prayers.
Entering into a room where a argument or fight has occurred? The saying you could cut the air with a knife comes to mind. Been to a funeral where you had no relationship with the disceased yet feel the pain in your stomach of the people around you? Been to a group meditation session and gone deeper than ever before?
I once took a ghost tour of an old abandoned jail. In one particular building, immediately upon entering I felt sick to my stomach. My head started pounding. I stayed only long enough to hear of the atrocities that had taken place there before having to leave.
Consider Rupert Sheldrakes morphogenic fields for example. Can new knowledge be adapted quickly by other members of a species once it becomes part of that hypothetical field? This is the same concept. A morphogenic field would be a type of egragore.
As most know I am a proponent of psychedelic exploration. Egragores are abound in the DMT realm. These are commonly encountered entities. One particularly common one is the jester. How is this possible for so many to encounter the same abstract being(s)?
Many NDE's have stories of demons, some of which are recognized as being manifestations of negative aspects of the experiencer. This is another example.
Propaganda is a way to create an egragore that grows as concepts are fed into it. It then has the power to influence. Has a covid 19 egragore been created and fed?
Symbols, sigils, icons, idols etc.. these are connections to collective thought forms. This is a fundamental aspect of magick. They are used to influence and direct thought.
So it is simply a matter of perspective. Be wary to dismiss these ideas, because from my perspective these things are constantly used to manipulate. Recognizing them releases you from their power.
Ahhh good old magickI particularly like your: "Propaganda is a way to create an egragore that grows as concepts are fed into it. It then has the power to influence. Has a covid 19 egragore been created and fed?"
And "Recognizing them releases you from their power." But on this one, the release would be the act of your knowing a control concerning this. Basically your accepting and instituting your choice of responsibility concerning the aspects of it.
Oh, and I liked your spelling for magick. The extra k gives it a kick.
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Much thanks (Mr. ?) LoneShaman
Ahhh good old magick
It's funny... this thing - "the magical" [experiential] and then... "magick" [intentional]. Alex, for example, made it clear as to his position on "magick." Magick, to me... is like cheating.
Yet - when I shut things down into "five-sense hell"... meaning, I listen to "the sane" tell me, "Dude, you gotta live in reality, man!"... what always ends up happening is that I first feel some strange type of security [but it never lasts] and then I recognize a creeping boredom followed by a low-level depression. It eventually becomes a bit emotional and then I hit a "mini-bottom" where I realize my error was in casting aside the magical and so I open the connection once again to the magical reality and suddenly life [ie. mundane life] comes to Life! Meaning begins to flow once again. This is my favorite place.
I then find some new book on magick or a new "history" book about some well known or notorious practitioners and I read "seeking to understand what motivates them" and I remind myself once again why I'm not attracted to intentional magick. I can't escape the feeling that its cheating.
Yes. The magic of experiencing.It's funny... this thing - "the magical" [experiential] and then... "magick" [intentional]. Alex, for example, made it clear as to his position on "magick." Magick, to me... is like cheating.
Yet - when I shut things down into "five-sense hell"... meaning, I listen to "the sane" tell me, "Dude, you gotta live in reality, man!"... what always ends up happening is that I first feel some strange type of security [but it never lasts] and then I recognize a creeping boredom followed by a low-level depression. It eventually becomes a bit emotional and then I hit a "mini-bottom" where I realize my error was in casting aside the magical and so I open the connection once again to the magical reality and suddenly life [ie. mundane life] comes to Life! Meaning begins to flow once again. This is my favorite place.
I then find some new book on magick or a new "history" book about some well known or notorious practitioners and I read "seeking to understand what motivates them" and I remind myself once again why I'm not attracted to intentional magick. I can't escape the feeling that its cheating.
Yea when I took my class on magick our teacher warned us it was dangerous. I still signed up, but I never really casted a spell. I was more a Mystic as in I studied it but never applied it. For one everyone's magick is different, some were Christian, some atheist, voodun and ifa, santeria, chaos magick. It was very interesting but I couldn't put my eggs in one basket. For me it seemed like cheating, then I realized how? Is going to the gym 6 days a week cheating. How is gaining mastery over your life cheating? The thing is with magick there are really no rules or dogma it's fuzzy and really subjective.It's funny... this thing - "the magical" [experiential] and then... "magick" [intentional]. Alex, for example, made it clear as to his position on "magick." Magick, to me... is like cheating.
Yet - when I shut things down into "five-sense hell"... meaning, I listen to "the sane" tell me, "Dude, you gotta live in reality, man!"... what always ends up happening is that I first feel some strange type of security [but it never lasts] and then I recognize a creeping boredom followed by a low-level depression. It eventually becomes a bit emotional and then I hit a "mini-bottom" where I realize my error was in casting aside the magical and so I open the connection once again to the magical reality and suddenly life [ie. mundane life] comes to Life! Meaning begins to flow once again. This is my favorite place.
I then find some new book on magick or a new "history" book about some well known or notorious practitioners and I read "seeking to understand what motivates them" and I remind myself once again why I'm not attracted to intentional magick. I can't escape the feeling that its cheating.
Oh there are some who are ready.Yea when I took my class on magick our teacher warned us it was dangerous. I still signed up, but I never really casted a spell. I was more a Mystic as in I studied it but never applied it. For one everyone's magick is different, some were Christian, some atheist, voodun and ifa, santeria, chaos magick. It was very interesting but I couldn't put my eggs in one basket. For me it seemed like cheating, then I realized how? Is going to the gym 6 days a week cheating. How is gaining mastery over your life cheating? The thing is with magick there are really no rules or dogma it's fuzzy and really subjective.
From my observation the African Americans and ethnic Latinos swore up and down black magick is not bad. I was confused as black magick has a big stigma attached to it. The rest of the class had a lot of hipster, yuppie types and everything in between. Some "worked" with God's and angels, but the teachers warned that the angels don't care about humans and they have a polarity as well as "demons" the weird thing is the teacher said he preferred atheistic thinkers and magicians. Honestly what I realized was I had to learn everyone's language as we came in to different understanding, for me magick was using my will to facilitate growth within myself and do my part to help people.
That didn't go to plan there was something off about the place, I sensed some people had mental illnesses (not all) lots of practitioners were feminists and their was a good portion of homosexuals who were shunned from church and family (nothing wrong with that) lots of spells didn't work and then some subjective excuse would be made up. But I thought how could I agree with that with no evidence? One time some tripped and fell and people claimed it was because of a curse? My skepticism grew. I will say though one dude read my mind and it was vague or broad at all. I'm beginning to think magic is utilizing your magnetism, our animal magnetism, for me it has nothing to do with spirits or God's it's just our suppressed mental capacities, aka it's natural and magick is honing that magnetism. It was pretty much self hyponosis, but the characters attracted to this stuff were a dumpster fire, I did meet some cool people though, one of the kindest souls I met was at that class.
All in all I left skeptical and confused, a good portion of people believe black magick is bad, some say its intent and ethic people swear its not bad and Europeans labeled it bad and demonized it. To them black magick was your subconscious mind, but who knows what lurks there? And after reading about Epi genetic memories from your ancestors yea..... I dunno if anyone is ready for that type of stuff
"...you need that integrated magick right?"My idea of magick was turning myself in to a superhero and using my powers against the evil powers that be lol. Let's be honest love and light won't get you far, you need that integrated magick right? I think that's what they meant about using black magick it needs to be properly integrated.
Kind of like the Carl Jung quote
I would like to like this but the wording seems off. It is a translation?