I would feel the same way if anyone said that. She does have the right to her own opinions... obviously, however I do question how anyone could say something as silly as that. A narcissist is a savior???
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Have you heard about the Moon being hollow and not a natural object? I went down that rabbit hole 6 months ago. Now I can’t enjoy a full moon without thinking “are you stealing negative energy?”
Seriously thou, there’s lots odd about our moon.
- it’s much lighter than it should be for its size.
- rings like a bell (hollow theory)
- tidal locked
- ancient cultures talk of a time with no moon.
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I’ve been listening to Rupert Sheldrake and Nassim Haramein. I think they are both correct in stating that memory isn’t in the brain. Nassim has great doco called “the connected universe” if your interested. His theory does away with dark matter and dark energy.
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Would you? To me, what you said is that she wasn't worthy of serious consideration. All her views are suspect because she disagrees with you on this particular point. Hence she can be casually dismissed because she doesn't fit in with the typical soft racist's idea of what black people should be like.
It gives licence to treat her as something in a way worse than white or black -- i.e. an uncle Tom. It licenses the demotion of her oppressed status to virtual zero, and hence she becomes unworthy of respect. The sheer arrogance of dismissing her merely because she holds non-PC views (be they right or wrong) is quite breathtaking.
Please note I'm not defending Trump, and neither am I supporting him -- I'm agnostic on the matter. Until and unless there's definite evidence to the contrary, I accord him the presumption of innocence. But in any case, this isn't about Trump so much as the evil of arrogant people who assume their superiority to others -- to whites and blacks alike so long as they have the temerity to disagree.
These "others" are all equally, in the eyes of such people, subhuman. Yes, in the end, it's not really about black or white, but whether or not certain people are subhuman. It's a slippery slope and if one isn't careful, it ends in subjugation of all who disagree, regardless of skin pigmentation. And then, God help us all.
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If you went to your friends house for a party, then found out he was passing around cocaine, you didn't participate, then never went back, how are you the bad guy? If there is no evidence that beforehand knowledge or of level of participation it is better not to speculate one way or another. If there is evidence it would be nice to share with others not aware of it.
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I don't know if we can get the entire picture. It might be too complicated for us... maybe it is too simple all at the same time. What kind of came to me is... maybe it is like a movie. We can speed up the file to 60 seconds speeding by. Or slow it down to our level of consciousness.
I was wondering if (maybe) the alien things use this in a way. They are here in the now, but have a way to move faster like the film, so we don't exactly see them
They might use this for travel. But again I don't think we are quite there yet to completely understand.
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But isn't Gordan White just a criminal? He didn't seem to be "special" when I watched the series. He was a man in need at first. Then I think he kind of turned into this... criminal. Because of the way he was with the younger man. He was a poor example of a father figure in the end. Nothing stopped him by that point. All that cash he could have fled, but he stayed.
Biden reminds me of this. He leads his two sons down this path to dirty money. Sooner or later it comes home to roost. I mean one kid is dead the other they find crack pipes in his car. Sorry example for anyone.
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LOL, I think Trump is good. Well, as good as it gets. We have a swamp to contend with. Some real nasty pieces of work. I don't even know if the American (or any people) could actually handle "the truth". It has to be shown slowly.
Once people understand these people were capable of these horrible acts on babies, children & people.. once they can put their minds around they drink their blood after terrifying them... then we can talk treason.
I have seen a few photos, people in cages, chicken wire cages, about 4' high. Stacked on top of each other. Children on the bottom, women on top, all naked. Dirty. They were being held in a basement in ATL, there were 150 there. Other cities are reporting this, but it isn't making big news. They appeared to be from S.America. Dark skinned.
I mean nobody would believe Epstein island or what he was planning for his New Mexico home. Nobody would believe it and nobody would believe who were involved. You have to show the public slowly. It's too much.
um, Ricky Gervais can tell you about what the Chinese do to dogs. Skin them alive (still alive looking at you) they say the meat tastes better. See, people just can't take that in. You can't unsee something once you see it. It's horrible.
wacky brain-centric model? :)
I suppose it has to be understood within a certain framework: Feldman is trying to understand the factors that promote healthy infant development, so we're talking about a 1-2 person relationship, or perhaps at most 3 if you include two parents. Her work is about the connections within this small constellation.
But the gamma band coupling is new insight (at least as far as i know) into how humans connect, and perhaps it suggests an area of further inquiry for studies of connection and cognition within larger, more complex (e.g. interdimensional) constellations.
Grant Cameron often references Jill Bolte Taylor, and i think it's worthwhile to look at her experience. Here's a quote from an interview:
A couple things to consider:
1) There are respected researchers who believe that one of the main functions of neural maturation is inhibition -- as we develop from infancy, we establish neural patterns that inhibit certain things and by this inhibition, other things are promoted and made more efficient. Similarly, the function of the orientation association area that JBT mentions is to limit the sensory perception of the body so that we perceive a boundary that's pretty much contained within our skin. But I'm sure you've heard of studies in sports and virtual reality describing how when a piece of equipment (e.g. tennis racket, golf club, or in VR even extended limbs) are used with enough repetition, the nervous system changes to incorporate that tool as part of the body's architecture. Or take meditation: i think certain adept meditation practitioners can also shift something about their neural firing patterns so that the sense of the body moves into the background and a sense of connection to everything feels more salient.
2) I know that brains and neuroscience have been overly hyped during the past decade, but if perception of these extended realms and non-material phenomena has something to do with electricity/energy, then the nervous system is going to be involved.
no disrespect, Alex :) but i think you might be dismissing this without giving it enough consideration. On a super basic level: awareness happens when certain networks of neurons with in the observing entity's body somehow synchronize. Other living things also have neural impulses (or if they don't have neurons, at least electrical (e.g. in plants) signaling). Maybe perception of subtle rhythmic phenomena outside the body still involves some kind of neural synchronization.
(also, the "hard problem" (as you probably already know) is just a saying within the field of consciousness research)
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edit: here - found this: might offer some additional insight.
Lakatos, P., Gross, J., & Thut, G. (2019). A new unifying account of the roles of neuronal entrainment. Current Biology, 29(18), R890-R905.
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(19)30955-8.pdf
Abstract: Rhythms are a fundamental and defining feature of neuronal activity in animals including humans. This rhythmic brain activity interacts in complex ways with rhythms in the internal and external environment through the phenomenon of ‘neuronal entrainment’, which is attracting increasing attention due to its suggested role in a multitude of sensory and cognitive processes. Some senses, such as touch and vision, sample the environment rhythmically, while others, like audition, are faced with mostly rhythmic inputs. Entrainment couples rhythmic brain activity to external and internal rhythmic events, serving fine-grained routing and modulation of external and internal signals across multiple spatial and temporal hierarchies. This interaction between a brain and its environment can be experimentally investigated and even modified by rhythmic sensory stimuli or invasive and non-invasive neuromodulation techniques. We provide a comprehensive overview of the topic and propose a theoretical framework of how neuronal entrainment dynamically structures information from incoming neuronal, bodily and environmental sources. We discuss the different types of neuronal entrainment, the conceptual advances in the field, and converging evidence for general principles.
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@Chris7... hey, this is one of Alex's links that I use all the time - it lists all his shows he ever did since the beginning, January 7, 2007.
https://skeptiko.com/past-shows-2/post-list/
I pull it up and do a search on what I am looking for and many times find the gold.
David Bailey
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Yes he has:
https://skeptiko.com/jurgen-ziewe-lucid-dreaming/
You can listen to the podcast and go to the forum discussion.
BTW, GOOGLing Skeptiko plus a person's name will answer questions like that pretty well.
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off topic so I'll keep it brief. I think yr right about it not being a very good example of an oxymoron. but I wasn't trying to do the virtue signaling thing. racism is bad... reversing it is a good idea.
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thanks for this great post. I especially relate to the not being perfect :-) moreover, when I can get even a little bit of clarity I can see how I've created the kind of drama in my life that can lead to evil even on a small scale. Strangely, I find this hopeful. I think we can all transcend/ ascend
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First, we get rid of the BUMS!
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Oh, so many great posts on here! Silence, I have a very specific dislike for the "Clinton Machine". I don't think anyone (Trump included) can reach the height of those freaks' horror. Nobody. Especially Hillary. I can tell you a female that would get a child rapist off at Hillarys age of 27 is a special kind of evil nasty. And then she laughed. She laughed.
We can't get them all, but we sure as hell better catch this one & put them away.
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are you of the opinion that Consciousness is a product of the brain?
agreed. I guess I was extending the idea to some kind of collective consciousness... I think that might also be in play... but I get your point, I didn't mean to suggest that her research was going in that direction
great stuff. and there's no denying the connection between our experience of Consciousness and the Brain. but again this stuff is brain Centric in a way that I think sometimes obscures the big picture. consider for last point about meditation changing the brain... and think back to the interview I did with
250. Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz, Science's Inability to ... - Skeptiko
... if thinking about thinking can change the instrument of thinking, then what does that say about the thinking? what if consciousness is fundamental? what if the brain is a constantly morphing medium through which consciousness is both received and projected?
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thanks but not necessary. I have not felt the least bit disrespected by your excellent and thoughtful posts :)
On a super basic level: awareness happens when certain networks of neurons with in the observing entity's body somehow synchronize. [/QUOTE]
full stop. I'm not convinced that this is true. here's a convo w/ Bernardo about the "easy problem" of memory:
https://skeptiko.com/bernardo-kastrup-mainstreaming-controversial-philosophy-of-mind-theories-378/
Bernardo Kastrup: So, there is an enormous gap for explaining the normal, that’s why I focus on the normal, since the paranormal is the next step, we haven’t explained even the normal yet.
Alex Tsakiris: I’m totally with you, until the last part that you said, I might take issue with that, but I take it one step further and point out something like memory, because we really don’t understand memory, right? We don’t understand what’s going on, and memory is a tricky one because it’s one that all the neurology folks, all the mind equals brain, materialist science says, “No, no, we really have a handle on memory, we just need to drill down a little bit further.”
So, if you can, speak to memory being another one. So, yeah, we don’t understand how we experience red or how we experience love, but even this thing memory, they think they’ve nailed, but they don’t understand it.
Bernardo Kastrup: No. If you look at the literature coming out, claiming to explain memory, it’s all self-contradictory. Some explain memory in terms of large networks of neurons. Others try to explain memory in terms of interneuron processes. Things are all over the place.
I can mention one concrete example. There was a study published a couple of years ago, claiming to have found the key to memory, based on experiments with mice. They exposed the mouse to a certain experience in one environment, they moved the mouse to another environment, and then they would trigger that memory artificially and the mouse would behave as if it were in the first environment, and then, “Oh, we’ve figured out how memories are created.”
If you go through the details, what they did was, they grew some cellular switches in the brain of the mice, that they could then identify which neurons fired up when the mouse was exposed to the first experience in environment A. So, they had the map of all of the neurons that activated at that moment, in environment A, and they moved the mouse to environment B, and which a specific technique using light, they could artificially reactivate the same neurons as the mouse was in environment A, and guess what? The mouse behaved as if it were in environment A.
Now, who recorded and recalled the memory? The scientists, through this cellular technique, through exposing the neurons to light, creating the cellular switches in the neurons and recording which neurons were activated in the first situation, and then reactivating them artificially in the second situation. That doesn’t show at all how memory works. To show how memory works, we would have to figure out where the mouse stores the pattern of activated neurons without these artificial cellular switches and exposure to light that the scientists created.
So, what you see being claimed in the science press about having understood memory, it’s extremely exaggerated, we don’t understand memory.
Alex Tsakiris: Let’s give for people, maybe a counter potential explanation for how that might work. It could also relate to, if anyone is familiar with epigenetics, which in a similar way, kind of, blows all of this craziness about brain-based consciousness and consciousness being 100% brain-based, modern understanding of epigenetics blows that away.
But in your mice example, we could take something like Sheldrake’s morphogenetic fields if you wanted to, or any other understanding we have of consciousness in the cloud, and that some certain patterns, some certain arrangement of physical neurons is then able to re-access that, would be potential beginning of an explanation. Am I getting, kind of, where you’re coming from there?
Bernardo Kastrup: Perhaps. I don’t really have a firm opinion on that.
Alex Tsakiris: It doesn’t matter, just there are some other ways that we could get there, right?
Bernardo Kastrup: Absolutely. Absolutely, and they may have to do with the nature of time itself. To guess here, what memory might be, I would just be speculating. I don’t really have an intelligent answer to that question.
Alex Tsakiris: Fair enough, and I think it’s important to say that maybe one of the reasons you don’t is because, once we jump into that, consciousness is fundamental mindset, everything we’re going to say back about explaining this, winds up being this, kind of, backdoor materialism,
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yeah I was amazed when he even Opperman, who absolutely hates Trump and his left-of-left, said that even Trump would be better/less-horrific choice than Hillary and the criminal Cesspool that is the Clinton family... quite a sad situation.
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