Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|

This is why it is extremely tenuous to base politics on science.
I guess I see this differently. it seems to me that the problem is discernment. there's some good science there's some bad science, there's some wacky flat earth science, and then there's a bunch of people to think not understanding science is just fine.
 
My opinion in this area isn't worth much and I've done next to no research on this, but I think there is probably some specific protein molecule or DNA molecule that has been isolated and labeled as COVID-19 and through the PCR process, if even one of those molecules is present in your sample, depending on the number of cycles it can be amplified by many orders of magnitude to result in a "positive" test which they are now calling a "case"... so basically a single molecule is now a case when we used to define a case as someone who was sick enough to go seek treatment and who also tested positive.

As to whether that specific molecule that they have isolated and labeled as COVID-19 is really effectively different than any of the other myriad of Corona viruses which we've dealt with naturally for ages... I'm not so sure.

I think they just needed a virus for which natural immunity wears off after about a year so that everyone will have to get a regular vaccination and/or test so that their COVID-pass app on their phone will blink green so that they can get into the grocery store or Uber or airplane or concert. The corona virus fit the bill so Bill picked it.
I suspect you're probably right.

But then I'm even more confused about your response to this interview. sure, I gave dr. Tom a short leash but his" there is no virus... it's just a virus of the mind" that these guys have talked david icke into is really mucking up the more nuanced and probably correct picture you're painting.
 
As David Icke said earlier this year, during the first lockdown, if they released a real biological pathogen, they would risk losing control of it, and it could take out some of their key people, including police officers, politicians, and anyone working for the UN, WHO, etc., not to mention front-men like Bill gates, which would prove detrimental to the advancement of the agenda. It is much easier to control a fake pandemic than a real one. And we have subsequently seen the faulty, unsuitable PCR testing, where even samples of apples, computer keyboards, goats, motor oil, and even no swab sample at all, are coming back positive. If it was a real pandemic they wouldn't need to test everybody, falsify death certificates, give cash incentives for people to get tested, enlist the army to test children in schools in England, and so on. The illness and deaths would be obvious. They have more efficient ways of killing people than biological warfare, just waiting to be fully switched on. Of course, when people do start to die in numbers, they can now use the "virus" as a cover story - and take away even more freedoms and rights - if we don't get wise quick and put a stop to it all, of course. Since a lot of effort has been made to make this pandemic look real, a lot of propaganda needed, then there is every chance that SARS-CoV-2 is nothing more than a computer model, as claimed by the CDC, and has never been proven to exist by purification and isolation. A number of Freedom of Information requests have been made in the UK to government agencies, asking for evidence of the isolation of the virus. No one has the evidence, the proof, no one can reference the primary papers...and no contagion studies been conducted involving humans, either. All the evidence, for even a part-time armchair sleuth, points to a fake pandemic and no real virus, since if the pandemic is fake, no real virus is needed. They have cleverly re-branded the most common illnesses - "corona-viruses" - respiratory illness, and if there are any novel respiratory diseases it is my guess they are being caused by microwave radiation, since microwave radiation is causing coagulation of the blood.
Again, it is the last bit about microwaves that I question - the rest I basically agree with. To me it is conceivable that the 5G issue has even been introduced simply to create confusion.

One site I went to points out that a study of people who already work in contact with these frequencies showed no sign of any problems.

I also know that a great many claims were made against electrical power lines (obviously working at a vastly lower frequency), and the whole lot ultimately turned out to be false.

David
 
1. Alex called it - the "no such thing as COVID" idea may detract from legitimate concerns about the "new normal" in the same way the "hologram planes" theory did with regard to 9/11. Herding the opposition into plainly stupid thought/action is a favorite tactic used to deligitimize opposition and only requires a minority of adherants to be successful.
yes. This is where I was headed. What do you think about it?

2. Alex surprised me by not allowing the guy to make his argument. Not being familar with the guest and given his recent experience of being censored, I'd have required at least a ceremoneal debate in order to fully enjoy any ad hominem laced thrashing awarded to him upon defeat.
I get your point... and in retrospect realized I could have handled this better / differently... then again, it's not like I didn't give this guy a chance to speak. and in fact he's the one who said we were at an impasse. so maybe I wasn't as polite and kind as I could have been, but when he suggested that virologist Darryl Falzarano was so massively incompetent to not understand his own claim about isolating the virus as published in a peer-reviewed... and since this guy is got some pretty stellar credentials and has been working with viruses in animals for like 10 years... I pretty much had enough.

of course, doctor tom is welcome to come back on anytime. anyone here can pass that invitation on to him... or we can chat on some neutral site.
 
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Should it matter that I know not one single person in my life who is ‘suffering’ from this ‘deadly contagion’ yet everyone is expected to change their every habit b/c of it?
I'm struggling with this logic. So the approach to any pandemic should be to only change behavior once someone in your personal circle has contracted the disease?
 
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Thought you knew what real science is! You think water sticks to a ball? You believe in pseudoscience! Why don’t you debate a flat earther? Lost all respect for you on this one! Now I’m doubting the NDE research you’ve done! How can I believe you if you think we live on a water rocket ball, spinning thousands of MPH, flying around the sun? That means you believe in evolution! Ball earth equals evolution!

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I think this gets the heart of it. I mean how do you debate a flat earther. how do you counter the argument " I don't know if the earth is round because I've never seen saw with my own eyes"

I think the claim that there is no covid-19 virus is similar. yeah, these are crazy times... yeah this might turn out to be the greatest scam in human history... yeah, we might lose most of our personal freedoms and wind up living in a world we never imagined, but not being able to sort out obvious shit like this makes matters worse.
 
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I think this gets the heart of it. I mean how do you debate a flat earther. how do you counter the argument " I don't know if the earth is round because I've never seen saw with my own eyes"

I think the claim that there is no covid-19 virus is similar. yeah, these are crazy times... yeah this might turn out to be the greatest scam in human history... yeah, we might lose most of our personal freedoms and wind up living in a world we never imagined, but not being able to sort out obvious shit like this makes matters worse.
That's the entire challenge with a worldview that starts with an a priori bias against anything/everything mainstream. While there are certainly great examples of critical, bias-mitigated thinking that challenges the mainstream, going a step beyond to start with a presumption that is anti-mainstream before applying intellectual rigor is just another "ism".
 
I guess I see this differently. it seems to me that the problem is discernment. there's some good science there's some bad science, there's some wacky flat earth science, and then there's a bunch of people to think not understanding science is just fine.

Most folks around the world do not understand science. What they do is what religious folk do, they repeat what they’ve been told by their preachers without understanding any of it. Even folks who claim to understand science can’t explain basic tenants of science. Take something as simple and taken as a given—Gravity. It’s a theory, right? Why isn’t it considered a law? Why is germ theory still just a theory?

I'm struggling with this logic. So the approach to any pandemic should be to only change behavior once someone in your personal circle has contracted the disease?

My logic here is, not just my personal circle, but my much wider circle—those hospitals in my town that are empty, as one example. This was never a pandemic, that’s my point.
 
I guess I see this differently. it seems to me that the problem is discernment. there's some good science there's some bad science, there's some wacky flat earth science, and then there's a bunch of people to think not understanding science is just fine.
How about the scientists who think that germ theory is flawed?
 
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I think this gets the heart of it. I mean how do you debate a flat earther. how do you counter the argument " I don't know if the earth is round because I've never seen saw with my own eyes"

I think the claim that there is no covid-19 virus is similar. yeah, these are crazy times... yeah this might turn out to be the greatest scam in human history... yeah, we might lose most of our personal freedoms and wind up living in a world we never imagined, but not being able to sort out obvious shit like this makes matters worse.
How is it similar? You do realize that “viruses” were not “discovered” until relatively recently. And the “science” they used was injecting diseased tissue into dog’s heads while they were alive right? I really think you should take a deeper dive into the history of Virology and Vaccine production and Pasteur vs Bechamp. Nobody is saying that sickness doesn’t exist. But there are very reputable and intelligent people who have spoken out against this profit driven way of supposedly healing sick people. Please look deeper. And stop thinking that the science is on your side with this one until you have actually looked into the science
 
I suspect you're probably right.

But then I'm even more confused about your response to this interview. sure, I gave dr. Tom a short leash but his" there is no virus... it's just a virus of the mind" that these guys have talked david icke into is really mucking up the more nuanced and probably correct picture you're painting.

It seemed like Tom wanted to bring up some nuances to definitions and to discuss the science and it seemed like you wanted to debate the authority and motives of a handful of scientists that I've never heard of and know nothing about.

To compare it to 9/11: Some people claim there were no plane crashes on 9/11 and that on the face of it seems like absurd flat earth stuff, but that statement deserves a more nuanced response: no 747 hit the Pentagon, but large planes did hit the towers but those planes that hit the towers were not the real planes with the passengers, and the plane that allegedly hit the ground near Shanksville actually got shot down so there was a 2-mile long debris field and no actual plane wreckage at the fake hole in the ground, etc...

I do understand the frustration you might feel towards someone who you believe is leading people into a cul-de-sac, but I personally don't know if it is a cul-de-sac until I've done a u-turn there and have seen what there is to see. I felt like you were both standing there at the intersection arguing about the veracity and authority of the "NO OUTLET" sign rather than showing us what was down that road... and then after the interview you claimed that he didn't want to go down that road and discuss the science when it felt like just the opposite was the case.
 
While I agree with a lot of what you wrote, I am very, very suspicious about this claim. Can you give us the evidence?

David

Lena Pu has done a blood study with a teacher in a school with wifi. The conclusion of the study: A working day's exposure to wifi frequencies causes blood coagulation. I found some studies online recently that also show blood coagulation after short term use of smart phones. There are now 1,000s of peer-reviewed studies (over 10,000, I think), that show conclusively that non-ionizing radiation is harmful to human health and causes diseases, including cancer. A human rights QC in the UK, Michael Mansfield, is taking legal action against the government precisely because they are ignoring the scientific evidence to show that microwave radiation is extremely harmful. Non of these frequencies are natural, and none are beneficial or neutral. They are all harmful.
 
yes. This is where I was headed. What do you think about it?

A. I think "our" response to the virus has been something akin to chopping one's hand off to be rid of a hangnail.

B. The economic havoc clearly resulted in wealth transfer to the already wealthy and puts the rest of us even closer to official serfdom.

C. Like 9/11, the pandemic is - at a minimum - being seized upon and directed by bad people wishing to make the world a worse place to live for everyone but themselves and over the next few years we'll see horrifying digital analogs to the TSA, PATRIOT Act, and War on Terror emerge and take root as permanent fixtures.
 
Lena Pu has done a blood study with a teacher in a school with wifi. The conclusion of the study: A working day's exposure to wifi frequencies causes blood coagulation. I found some studies online recently that also show blood coagulation after short term use of smart phones. There are now 1,000s of peer-reviewed studies (over 10,000, I think), that show conclusively that non-ionizing radiation is detrimental to human health and causes diseases, including cancer. A human rights QC in the UK, Michael Mansfield, is taking legal action against the government precisely because they are ignoring the scientific evidence to show that microwave radiation is extremely harmful. Non of these frequencies are natural, and none are beneficial or neutral. They are all harmful. There was a blood study done with a smart meter in the film "Take back Your Power", which showed a detrimental effect on human cells after only a few minutes.
 
Lena Pu has done a blood study with a teacher in a school with wifi. The conclusion of the study: A working day's exposure to wifi frequencies causes blood coagulation. I found some studies online recently that also show blood coagulation after short term use of smart phones. There are now 1,000s of peer-reviewed studies (over 10,000, I think), that show conclusively that non-ionizing radiation is harmful to human health and causes diseases, including cancer. A human rights QC in the UK, Michael Mansfield, is taking legal action against the government precisely because they are ignoring the scientific evidence to show that microwave radiation is extremely harmful. Non of these frequencies are natural, and none are beneficial or neutral. They are all harmful.

I looked her up... "Lena's Fabulous Frequencies?"
https://lenasfabulousfrequencies.com/research

Says "coming soon" by the RF study which I assume you're talking about.

From your description of it it sounds like the sample size was 1?
 
Again, it is the last bit about microwaves that I question - the rest I basically agree with. To me it is conceivable that the 5G issue has even been introduced simply to create confusion.

One site I went to points out that a study of people who already work in contact with these frequencies showed no sign of any problems.

I also know that a great many claims were made against electrical power lines (obviously working at a vastly lower frequency), and the whole lot ultimately turned out to be false.

David

There are numerous peer-reviewed studies which show that non-ionizng radiation is detrimental to human health and well being. I've got rid of all wireless devices, no longer use a smart phone. A particle physicist came forward recently, claiming that 5G is a Direct Energy Weapons System, which many people have been saying for a while now, including Barrie Trower. Dean Henderson in one of his books states that SERCO commandeered the patent office in the USA in order to steer the 5G walker roll-out in their desired direction. That direction, he claims, according to their own documents, is a 70-90% reduction in the UK population within the next five years, with similar reductions in store around the world. Barrie Trower, ex-navy, has stated that 5G will mean genocide on a scale we have never seen. I don't think it prudent to ignore or dismiss these dire warnings. I would also suggest that the negative effects of non-ionizing radiation from wireless devices are cumulative. Like smoking cigarettes - you don't get lung cancer after smoking your first pack - it may take years for the body to finally break down under the toxic overload.
 
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I looked her up... "Lena's Fabulous Frequencies?"
https://lenasfabulousfrequencies.com/research

Says "coming soon" by the RF study which I assume you're talking about.

From your description of it it sounds like the sample size was 1?
I think Lena only did the study with one teacher, yes. But she understands the AI, Internet of Things, Internet of Bodies, Smart Grid, technocratic agenda very well, and has put together a very comprehensive Notice of Liability for Non-Consent and Injury for 5G, vaccinations, and all aspects of the AI Smart Agenda. Even if the frequencies were safe, we should be fighting this agenda with all we've got because, if succesful, it means the end of our humanity.
 
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My logic here is, not just my personal circle, but my much wider circle—those hospitals in my town that are empty, as one example. This was never a pandemic, that’s my point.
Your much wider circle including the hospital in your town. From this circle you've extrapolated to the conclusion that there isn't, nor never was, a pandemic? Doesn't this seem a leap in logic to you?

My direct experience includes an uncle who passed away from COVID. My oldest son is currently home from college as he tested positive. Very minor symptoms for sure (and thankfully). Lots of community cases in our (my wife and my) personal circle in our geography.

I guess I wouldn't be able to formulate any intellectually honest notion that there never was a pandemic based on my own personal observations.
 
There are numerous peer-reviewed studies which show that non-ionizng radiation is detrimental to human health and well being. I've got rid of all wireless devices, no longer use a smart phone. A particle physicist came forward recently, claiming that 5G is a Direct Energy Weapons System, which many people have been saying for a while now, including Barry Trower. Dean Henderson in one of his books states that SERCO commandeered the patent office in the USA in order to steer the 5G walker roll-out in their desired direction. That direction, he claims, according to their own documents, is a 70-90% reduction in the UK population within the next five years, with similar reductions in store around the world. Barry Trower, ex-navy, has stated that 5G will mean genocide on a scale we have never seen. I don't think it prudent to ignore or dismiss these dire warnings. I would also suggest that the negative effects of non-ionizing radiation are cumulative. Like smoking cigarettes - you don't get lung cancer after smoking your first pack - it may take years for the body to finally break down under the toxic overload But 5G frequencies are a different thing all together - we cannot ignore the depopulation agenda, because it has already begun. .
 
I’m so glad to see Cowan fearlessly promoting his work. Too bad this interview didn’t have anything new to offer.

I haven’t seen so far other supporters and theories in this thread (in addition to Terrain theory) and thought to join this conversation—haven’t been here in a while.

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/is-coronavirus-contagious/

“The year 1889 marked the beginning of the modern electrical era and also of a deadly flu pandemic, which followed the advent of electricity throughout the globe. Says Firstenberg, “Influenza struck explosively and unpredictably, over and over in waves until early 1894. It was as if something fundamental had changed in the atmosphere.” Physicians puzzled over influenza’s capricious spread. For example, William Beveridge, author of a 1975 textbook on influenza, noted: “The English warship Arachne was cruising off the coast of Cuba without any contact with land. No less than 114 men out of a crew of 149 fell ill with influenza and only later was it learnt that there had been outbreaks in Cuba at the same time.”1

I’ve been reading the new book The Invisible Rainbow which, like ’terrain theory’ presents some really compelling evidence of what might actually be contributing to, if not the causes behind, why/how these ‘pandemics’ happen.

Anytime anyone wants to discredit something without actually having a discussion about it, they bring up Flat Earth, how convenient!

The Invisible Rainbow is on my reading list. These are some of the other books I am working through:

1. The Contagion Myth – why viruses (including Coronavirus) are not the cause of disease. By Thomas Cowan, MD, and Sally Fallen Morell

2. Fear of the Invisible – by Janine Roberts

3. Virus Mania: Corona/COVID-19, Measles, Swine Flu, Cervical Cancer, Avian Flu, SARS, BSE, Hepatitis C, AIDS, Polio. How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense – by Torsten Engelbrecht and Kohnlein Claus.

4. What Really Makes You Ill why everything you thought you knew about disease is wrong – by Dawn Lester and David Parker.
 
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