Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|

That is true, but my Wife, Daughter, Son-in-Law, Brother-in-Law Sister-in-Law, and Cousin who had Covid all report this symptom, in the exact same way, in the same sequence...

Day 1: They detect "feeling bad", run-down, and sniffles/runny nose.

Day 2: Sense of taste dramatically disappears, they develop a fever and a cough.

Day 3: This is the worst day. They are sick enough to lay on the couch and do nothing all day.

Day 4: Fever subsides, Taste returns, cough lessens, they feel good enough to wash clothing, cook, etc.

Day 5: Cough and fever disappear. They begin to feel normal, but are very fatigued.

I called and queried them closely every day. The time period and symptom sequence is consistent.

I'm happy to report my Wife is now back at work on her computer, making me money. :)

Could these mild illnesses have been the result of something else - was anyone tested for CV19? I trust they are all better now.

And yet, the loss of taste symptom was not discussed until quite recently, despite wall to eall coverage of the virus and its symptoms. Among other symptoms that have been discussed from time to time, were diorhea, vomiting,shortage of breath, headache, muscle/body aches Then there were COVID toes:

https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-are-COVID-toes.aspx

I suppose one 'symptom' of a fake pandemic is a rash of different symptoms - something for everyone.


David
 
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This worst is your dishonest characterization of people asking for evidence as malevolent and dangerous.
Yes indeed, that concept is what has driven the censorship process to the point where leading medical people who disagree with the official line have to resort to posting on an obscure website that is (hopefully) adequately protected:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

This website also contains this article:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/17/covid19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

David
 
Alex,

Here are some quotes from the off-guardian article that might interest you:

This explains why the Australian government state:


The reliability of COVID-19 tests is uncertain due to the limited evidence base…There is limited evidence available to assess the accuracy and clinical utility of available COVID-19 tests.”​

In The UK, in July, a group of concerned academics wrote a letter to the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in which they asked him to:


Produce independently peer reviewed scientific evidence proving that the Covid-19 virus has been isolated.”​

To date they have not received a reply.


Similarly, UK researcher Andrew Johnson made a Freedom of Information Request to Public Health England (PHE). He asked them to provide him with their records describing the isolation of a SARS-COV-2 virus. To which they responded:


PHE can confirm it does not hold information in the way suggested by your request.”​

Canadian researcher Christine Massey made a similar freedom of information request, asking the Canadian government the same. To which the Canadian government replied:


Having completed a thorough search, we regret to inform you that we were unable to locate any records responsive to your request.”​

In the U.S. the Centre For Disease Control (CDC) RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel state:


…No quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available……..Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.”​

Last updated on 13th July 2020, the CDC are yet to obtain any pure viral sample from any patient said to have the disease of COVID-19. They openly admit their tests don’t necessarily show if SARS-CoV-2 is either present or causes COVID 19.


We are told that none of this matters. That we are ignorant and just don’t understand virology. Therefore, we must accept pictures of things we know could be something else and genetic sequences (which could be anything else) as conclusive proof that this virus, and the disease it is supposed to cause, are real.

David
 
Alex, you yourself are prepared to discuss potential gross incompetence and confusion within a variety of fields - particularly in the area of consciousness. Perhaps you should read the book, "Why science is wrong about almost everything" - I can't remember the author off the top of my head, but it is easy to GOOGLE :)

Why not invite Tom to record his account of COVID - just introduce him and then let him do the rest - then we can all have a sensible discussion.

Also, I have explained the issue about isolating viruses several times on this thread, and you have all but ignored me. How come you are so bedazzled by Darryl Falzarano when you see through the likes of Neil deGrasse Tyson ?

Come on - we want a sensible discussion about the issues here - this issue is at the heart of what is going on all over the world and you have just stifled a discussion by not letting Tom speak. You let Henry Bauer speak, and part of his story is the same except with respect to a different RNA virus. The virus was never properly isolated, then a test was produced (not PCR in those days) and it shows up false positives. The supposed symptoms of the disease also shift about.

What has happened to you - has someone threatened to close down the SKEPTIKO site if it won't conform on this topic?

David
sorry if I blew past your point... didn't mean to... I must confess that I read it and thought it meant something else. I'm down with the idea that our knowledge of viruses very incomplete and in order for science types to tow the line they wind-up spinning a lot of bullshit, but I also think this idea that covid is only a"virus of the mind" is even worse bullshit.

you think covid-19 is just a "virus of the mind"? y/n/m
 
This is the conundrum Alex. How does one determine which mainstream ideas are to be challenged and which are to be accepted? Feels like a lot of folks here may not see that as even a relevant question to ask; anything mainstream is to be challenged. Where does this form of regress lead? Each individual to define their own facts? Certainly everyone is free to do so, but how does a society function at the extreme application of such a worldview?

My answer to your question is "n". I sorta wish you hadn't included the "m" option. It facilitates a non-answer.
 
sorry if I blew past your point... didn't mean to... I must confess that I read it and thought it meant something else. I'm down with the idea that our knowledge of viruses very incomplete and in order for science types to tow the line they wind-up spinning a lot of bullshit, but I also think this idea that covid is only a"virus of the mind" is even worse bullshit.

you think covid-19 is just a "virus of the mind"? y/n/m
Why do you keep saying people think Covid is a “virus of the mind”? You’re not taking into account the fact that many intelligent people see “Virology” as a problem in how we determine illness. Have you looked into the origins of virology? Of Vaccines? Why do you insist on correlating this to “flat earth”? And saying that our “knowledge of viruses is incomplete” is begging the question. It’s circular logic. They’ve created this entity they call a virus, and then will be able to continually tell us that their knowledge is incomplete. Of course it is, because it’s a chimera they’ve created to circumvent culpability in regards to illness caused by industrial toxins and factory food
 
This is the conundrum Alex. How does one determine which mainstream ideas are to be challenged and which are to be accepted? Feels like a lot of folks here may not see that as even a relevant question to ask; anything mainstream is to be challenged. Where does this form of regress lead? Each individual to define their own facts? Certainly everyone is free to do so, but how does a society function at the extreme application of such a worldview?

My answer to your question is "n". I sorta wish you hadn't included the "m" option. It facilitates a non-answer.
m is for agnostics.

 
Why do you keep saying people think Covid is a “virus of the mind”? You’re not taking into account the fact that many intelligent people see “Virology” as a problem in how we determine illness. Have you looked into the origins of virology? Of Vaccines? Why do you insist on correlating this to “flat earth”? And saying that our “knowledge of viruses is incomplete” is begging the question. It’s circular logic. They’ve created this entity they call a virus, and then will be able to continually tell us that their knowledge is incomplete. Of course it is, because it’s a chimera they’ve created to circumvent culpability in regards to illness caused by industrial toxins and factory food
David Icke, Love Not Fear is The Answer |460| - Skeptiko ...

... because it was david ike's claim ( after listening to andrew kaufman... and probably tom cowan as well since they're all friends). during my interview he said covid-19 is just a "virus of the mind"

so I've been tracking it down ever since and this is where it led. I tried to set up a bunch of interviews with matt belair... who you can see in this interview. but it seems like once people go down this path they fall into kind of a flat earth science dark alley that they can't get out of. that's been my experience.

So what do you say... covid-19 a virus of the mind? y/n/m

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- keep in mind that I'm a big supporter/fan of david icke. I think he has a higher than hall of fame batting average... but he does seem susceptible to fake science at times.

- also keep in mind that it seems clear to me that we're experiencing a plandemic of unimaginable proportions. we can't even imagine where it will lead. one thing we can be pretty sure of is the people behind it love to spin misinformation / disinformation like " it's only a virus of the mind." "divide and rule" has always been their game... this plays right into their scheme.
 
Yes indeed, that concept is what has driven the censorship process to the point where leading medical peopl ewho disagree with the official line have to resort to posting on an obscure website that is (hopefully) adequately protected:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

This website also contains this article:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/17/covid19-evidence-of-global-fraud/

I would imagine Tom or conceivably LS, would be most suitable to explain what exactly this is about.

David

Alex needs a "Young Jaime" to rapidly Google things during interviews... lol

("Young Jaime" is Joe Rogan's assistant/producer/One-handed-Googler)
 
So what do you say... covid-19 a virus of the mind? y/n/m

It is primarily a mental disorder... a societal egregore that seems to have accumulated enough psychic energy to produce physical manifestations that show up in PCR and Ag tests. In the case of Elon Musk who has equal and opposite psychic energy - it only manifests 50% of the time.
 
It is primarily a mental disorder... a societal egregore that seems to have accumulated enough psychic energy to produce physical manifestations that show up in PCR and Ag tests. In the case of Elon Musk who has equal and opposite psychic energy - it only manifests 50% of the time.

Uh uh....ok then, I guess that you and Cowan and other flat earths would have no problem sitting back and relaxing while we inject you with a syringe full of HIV or Ebola or Sars virus; since there is no such thing, right?

I don't see any brave deniers putting their money where their mouth is on this.

The covid tests are flawed. That is true, but doesn't prove that there is no virus. Just the tests are flawed.

The virus only kills those who are actuarially at or near their expected year of death anyhow. Same as the flu for the most part given adequate medical care. That's how most viruses work on people because most people have an immune system effective enough to deal with most viruses (but not all). Doesn't mean there isn't a virus.

Political opportunists are creating a panic and using the fact of the virus as an opportunity to do all kinds of undesirable things to society that wouldn't normally be acceptable. Yep. That's what such people do. Doesn't mean the virus is fake.
 
sorry if I blew past your point... didn't mean to... I must confess that I read it and thought it meant something else. I'm down with the idea that our knowledge of viruses very incomplete and in order for science types to tow the line they wind-up spinning a lot of bullshit, but I also think this idea that covid is only a"virus of the mind" is even worse bullshit.

you think covid-19 is just a "virus of the mind"? y/n/m
What I think is this:

1) Whatever the infection is, it is a lot milder than people are pretending. All sorts of viruses will attack a few unlucky individuals, but those close to death - such as people on intense chemotherapy, or those with other severe problems, can die of almost any infection. I know one man whose wife died like that - they both caught some bug (before the days of COVID) and he was ill briefly while she ended up on oxygen in hospital, and then a nurse came round and gently suggested it was time to take her off her oxygen..... (There was never any suggestion of ventilating her). This has been normal for a long time, but now - at least in Britain - such deaths are recorded as COVID deaths. There are also regular rumours that nurses are reporting they have little work to do right now because most non-COVID patients have been driven away, and many of the COVID patients are not really that ill. Another peculiar phenomenon is that the phrase 'COVID case' used to mean someone with symptoms of COVID, who were under hospital care. Now it means anyone who has tested positive for the disease - even though most of those people stay at home for a few days and never show any symptoms. These two factors greatly increase the sense that there is a serious situation.

2) Kary Mullis, the man who got the Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR reaction, went on record as saying that PCR should never be used for diagnostic purposes. He died in August 2019, so he never got a chance to comment specifically about COVID. At least part of his reason for saying that, is that the PCR process (which he invented as a way of manufacturing bulk quantities of DNA/RNA) should not be used for diagnostic putposes, was that a swab from the nose (say) will contain genetic material from the host, and a vast range of viruses, fungi, and bacteria. When PCR is used diagnostically, it is set to seek out a short sequence of bases - typically 20 bases long. In a PCR test any of the above swab components might contain the critical sequence - one molecule will be enough if the PCR is set for high gain.

3) Henry Bauer seems to reckon that people with AIDS symptoms are probably suffering from a variety of infections, but that the HIV virus either does not exist, or does not cause disease.

4) The doubt about whether these viruses are real comes from the fact that the criterion for isolating a virus has changed (I think back in the days of the AIDS crisis) so that a concentrated suspension of viral particles was considered enough - before it was necessary to show these viruses under the electron microscope without other background material. That change is crucial because that background material may well contain genetic material from other sources. As soon as you break up coats of the viruses, all you have is RNA - it doesn't carry a label to say where it came from!

5) I am not sure Tom Cowan would be my favourite guest to discuss all this, because he seems to have mixed 5G into his theories, but Maybe Dr Malcolm Kendrick would give you an interview, or one of the scientists that contributed to the off-guardian site.

I just can't see how to condense that into one (or more!) of y/n/m.

David
 
Uh uh....ok then, I guess that you and Cowan and other flat earths would have no problem sitting back and relaxing while we inject you with a syringe full of HIV or Ebola or Sars virus; since there is no such thing, right?

I don't see any brave deniers putting their money where their mouth is on this.

The covid tests are flawed. That is true, but doesn't prove that there is no virus. Just the tests are flawed.

The virus only kills those who are actuarially at or near their expected year of death anyhow. Same as the flu for the most part given adequate medical care. That's how most viruses work on people because most people have an immune system effective enough to deal with most viruses (but not all). Doesn't mean there isn't a virus.

Political opportunists are creating a panic and using the fact of the virus as an opportunity to do all kinds of undesirable things to society that wouldn't normally be acceptable. Yep. That's what such people do. Doesn't mean the virus is fake.
Eric, I wouldn't want a syringe full of anything pushed into my arm. Even a syringe full of one of the common cold viruses, might be dangerous at very high concentrations - I don't know.

However suppose there is a virus, but its properties are nothing like those of COVID-19, would you say COVID-19 exists or not - can you see why the question exists/not exists is something of a continuum in cases like this?

David
 
Uh uh....ok then, I guess that you and Cowan and other flat earths would have no problem sitting back and relaxing while we inject you with a syringe full of HIV or Ebola or Sars virus; since there is no such thing, right?

No, injections cause allergies. Ragweed and Cedar are bad enough... I don't want allergies to HIV and Ebola too.
 
Eric, I wouldn't want a syringe full of anything pushed into my arm. Even a syringe full of one of the common cold viruses, might be dangerous at very high concentrations - I don't know.

However suppose there is a virus, but its properties are nothing like those of COVID-19, would you say COVID-19 exists or not - can you see why the question exists/not exists is something of a continuum in cases like this?

David

David,
Sorry. No I don't see why you say the question exists/not exists is a continuum in the case of covid or HIV or Ebola.

I know for a fact that the whole covid hysteria is a farce because I am in the data every day at work. That said, I do think there is a virus that makes some people sick and can push some compromised people over the edge to death. I know for a fact that many covid deaths in the US are not actually covid deaths. The people died from something else (stroke, heart attack, sepsis, cancer on and on) and happened to test positive for covid.

But I don't get your continuum hypothesis. I confess that microbiology and virology are far from my areas of expertise. In fact I really know only as much as the next guy on the street; which isn't much. I'm just applying common sense. There are certainly bacteria that we can isolate and identify and that can cause illness. Take the common amoeba. It can cause dysentery; which, in turns kills a lot of people, especially in the third world. We can see the bacteria in the water. We can see it in the infected person's system. We can pour bleach in the water and kill the bacteria. Are you trying to say that the bacteria doesn't really exist? That bleach is some kind of sorcery? How about antibiotics? More sorcery?

If you don't deny the existence of bacteria and bacteria's ability to cause infection, why not translate that over to viruses?

What is the continuum? Are you trying to say that there is a virus and then the virus combines with some of the host's DNA to become something new and dangerous - and that some hosts' DNA combines with the virus to create a new strand of DNA that isn't dangerous?

If that's what you're saying, then I would reply that there is some virus out there that can infect people and can mutate into something like covid. I don't believe that's true, but it doesn't matter. There's still a virus out there that leads to some people becoming ill. It's splitting hairs to say it isn't exactly covid. The end result for someone developing the symptoms associated with covid are still the same no matter what you call the virus.

Maybe I have your argument completely wrong
 
David Icke, Love Not Fear is The Answer |460| - Skeptiko ...

... because it was david ike's claim ( after listening to andrew kaufman... and probably tom cowan as well since they're all friends). during my interview he said covid-19 is just a "virus of the mind"

so I've been tracking it down ever since and this is where it led. I tried to set up a bunch of interviews with matt belair... who you can see in this interview. but it seems like once people go down this path they fall into kind of a flat earth science dark alley that they can't get out of. that's been my experience.
So what do you say... covid-19 a virus of the mind? y/n/m

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- keep in mind that I'm a big supporter/fan of david icke. I think he has a higher than hall of fame batting average... but he does seem susceptible to fake science at times.

- also keep in mind that it seems clear to me that we're experiencing a plandemic of unimaginable proportions. we can't even imagine where it will lead. one thing we can be pretty sure of is the people behind it love to spin misinformation / disinformation like " it's only a virus of the mind." "divide and rule" has always been their game... this plays right into their scheme.
I wouldn’t use that phrase. And I don’t really follow David Icke. I feel like he just mashes together popular theories and builds his alternative thinking empire off his charisma. I came to my ideas regarding Germ theory after losing my mother from AIDS, and reading a book by Peter Duesberg, first, then various others including David Crowe, Stefan Lanka and Andrew Kaufman, along with tons of research into the food and drug industries. I think the “diseases blamed on infectious diseases spread by germs” paradigm has been used to cover up malnutrition and industrial toxicity for a very long time. I will ask you again, have you looked past this slogan, into the origins of “Virology” and the “Germ theory” in general? I really genuinely like your stance on most issues. I’m surprised that you won’t take more time to look deeper into this as it’s most evidently a mistaken materialist worldview that would suppose submicroscopic monsters are attacking us and we need industrial chemists and biotechnologists to come to our rescue.
 
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A little rough there Alex! :-) I think (maybe) you could have been a little more prepared Alex. If you already knew you were going to have this guy on & you already knew he was going to say the virus hadn't been isolated, you should have been ready to show him the photo.

I mean about 9 months ago I also looked to see if it had been isolated & I couldn't find where it had. HOWEVER, I looked now (because of your show) and we can see it (or so they tell me). They also tell me Biden won... so we'll all just have to "believe".

Here is the photo he was asking you for: https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805837103/images-what-new-coronavirus-looks-like-under-the-microscope

I enjoyed the show though :-)
 
Uh uh....ok then, I guess that you and Cowan and other flat earths would have no problem sitting back and relaxing while we inject you with a syringe full of HIV or Ebola or Sars virus; since there is no such thing, right?

I don't see any brave deniers putting their money where their mouth is on this.

The covid tests are flawed. That is true, but doesn't prove that there is no virus. Just the tests are flawed.

The virus only kills those who are actuarially at or near their expected year of death anyhow. Same as the flu for the most part given adequate medical care. That's how most viruses work on people because most people have an immune system effective enough to deal with most viruses (but not all). Doesn't mean there isn't a virus.

Political opportunists are creating a panic and using the fact of the virus as an opportunity to do all kinds of undesirable things to society that wouldn't normally be acceptable. Yep. That's what such people do. Doesn't mean the virus is fake.[/
Uh uh....ok then, I guess that you and Cowan and other flat earths would have no problem sitting back and relaxing while we inject you with a syringe full of HIV or Ebola or Sars virus; since there is no such thing, right?

I don't see any brave deniers putting their money where their mouth is on this.

The covid tests are flawed. That is true, but doesn't prove that there is no virus. Just the tests are flawed.

The virus only kills those who are actuarially at or near their expected year of death anyhow. Same as the flu for the most part given adequate medical care. That's how most viruses work on people because most people have an immune system effective enough to deal with most viruses (but not all). Doesn't mean there isn't a virus.

Political opportunists are creating a panic and using the fact of the virus as an opportunity to do all kinds of undesirable things to society that wouldn't normally be acceptable. Yep. That's what such people do. Doesn't mean the virus is fake.[/QUOT

And how would you fill a syringe with those “viruses”? Can you tell me how they would “isolate them”? I suggest you look deeper into the history of “Virology”
 
The covid tests are flawed. That is true, but doesn't prove that there is no virus. Just the tests are flawed.
exactly... why do folks even go down this bunny trail.

does anyone happen to remember the mortality rate from ebola?
New Ebola drug clears virus from monkeys - The Irish Times

does anyone believe the guys in the bioweapons labs aren't playing around with this one too... I mean they have to... for our safety, right?
 
A little rough there Alex! :) I think (maybe) you could have been a little more prepared Alex. If you already knew you were going to have this guy on & you already knew he was going to say the virus hadn't been isolated, you should have been ready...

point taken. as I've mentioned previously, part of the problem is I had spent so much time trying to get these basics points across to matt belair it was only more and more frustrated hey. my bad for bringing a short fuse into the show :)
 
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