Bucky
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@john.sundog Thanks John, interesting things to ponder over.
Commentary: A Method Used to Train Skeptical
Volunteers to Heal in an Experimental Setting
WILLIAM F. BENGSTON, Ph.D.
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This paper describes
the training methods used in those experiments.
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Second, it is logically possible that the apparent healing
in my research is not actually learned through the techniques
described, but is rather somehow passed on from person to
person. At this point in my research, I simply don’t know
how important the above two caveats are.
What evidence are you basing this statement on? Comparing Spiritual healing, the Bengston method, qigong and reiki, I would hypothesize that they would all have the same effect. I suspect that any differences would be due to the innate abilities of the healers not the technique. It will be hard to test this since you would need to do an experiment with healers that were trained in different techniques for that experiment and you would need enough healers to average out individual differences in ability. If you compared existing practitioners, I would put my money on qigong masters ( http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2009/06/sensing-qualities-of-qi.html )I entirely agree. But undeniably, different techniques have different success rates so the technique is not irrelevant. Some day, the technique may be irrelevant (as it may already be for a few master healers).
Is there any hypothesis as to why image cycling for one minute would have effects that last throughout the entire healing session?I go through the cycle for about a minute, gradually accelerating, then make the 'leap of faith' to not consciously cycling, such that the physical sensation begins; I sometimes think of a huge jet lifting off the runway at that point. The reason I prefer to meditate rather than read a book or carry on a conversation is that I lack confidence in my ability to multitask that way.
Speaking of confidence, I hasten to emphasize that I don't have a proven successful record so take what I say for what it's worth. I think it's mostly a faithful image of Bill's views at the time of the workshop.
Do you need to get the book or attend a seminar to obtain the full explanation of the image cycling technique? Or is there a full explanation online somewhere?
Thanks.
One other queer point. Nobody knows where the healing is coming from, a point Bill emphasizes. Is it coming from the trained volunteer? Only from trainees who've been in Bill's presence? From Bill directly? From Ben, Bill's psychic friend who is now no doubt enjoying his reward in paradise? From the universe, the One Mind? The question of who may be meaningless, of course.
Also Bill insists (as of the date of the workshop) that it is still unproven whether the technique can be taught in the strict sense. They're still struggling to sort those things out.
What evidence are you basing this statement on?
Is there any hypothesis as to why image cycling for one minute would have effects that last throughout the entire healing session?
Have other healing methods been tested this way? I understand the research demonstrates the effectiveness of Bengston's method but I don't see how that research shows it is superior to other methods. Also, I think you have to be careful extrapolating from a model disease used in scientific research: a certain line of cancer cells injected into a strain of genetically identical mice, to humans where each cancer is different and each patient is different.The main thing is the peer reviewed research literature showing extraordinary results in the cancer studies - no healing method of any kind has ever achieved a track record approaching that.
When Bill was pressed hard at the workshop for a theory, he offered a thought 'off the record' (so burn this after reading!) He said his best guess was that you are setting up a different address in the future. Make of that what you will. For me, it's consistent with the concept of an information-based reality (rather than matter- or energy-based, for example), which seems to be emerging as an important concept in physics and cosmology. I suspect that's where he's coming from - he's a brilliant fellow.
That's consistent with a comparison of the published studies of the two techniques.
Here is how to do the Bengston method as of 2007:
http://www.livingwaterunity.org/picks/Documents/JACM - Methods Paper.pdf
The hands-on healing technique involved little more than
the intent, with as little effort as possible by the volunteer,
to feel an energy flowing out of the palms of their hands.
Because my volunteers had no experience or belief in handson
healing, in the group sessions they had to practice this
technique on one another to help each other get over the initial
sense of feeling foolish. Typically, they would stand behind
one another and place their hands on each other’s shoulders
for approximately 15 minutes. Each volunteer, and I,
would go around the room and treat every other person during
the course of a training session. Of course, when they
felt foolish they were to practice the cycling technique. After
much practice, some, but not all, volunteers experienced
what they thought was a change in their hands. Some, but
not all, reported a sensation of something flowing out of
them. They were encouraged to practice this technique on
friends and even pets between training sessions.
Have other healing methods been tested this way? I understand the research demonstrates the effectiveness of Bengston's method but I don't see how that research shows it is superior to other methods.
Also, I think you have to be careful extrapolating from a model disease used in scientific research: a certain line of cancer cells injected into a strain of genetically identical mice, to humans where each cancer is different and each patient is different.
Can you post references or links for this? Do the studies compare existing practitioners or were healers trained for the experiment from the same pool of potential healers? Are they using the same patient pool, and providing healing for the same time intervals? Was the comparison of studies done in a statically, scientifically valid way?
I don't really understand this. How does image cycling set up a different address in the future? What is an address in the future? How is it consistent with an information-based reality?
I know of no experiments comparing Bengston's method with another method head-to-head.
I can't watch the video at the moment and am too impatient to keep from replying. Have you read 'the cancer industry' by Ralph Moss? He goes into vitamin C (in liquid form) a bit . . . The book's a must read, IMO.About what I was saying before... even if not directly related to energy-healing:
Doctors have a hard time admitting high dose vitamin C can do remarkable things... which is still a very material, quantifiable, non supernatural substance :D
No, I haven't but I've added to my Amazon wish list, thanks.I can't watch the video at the moment and am too impatient to keep from replying. Have you read 'the cancer industry' by Ralph Moss? He goes into vitamin C (in liquid form) a bit . . . The book's a must read, IMO.
I can't watch the video at the moment and am too impatient to keep from replying. Have you read 'the cancer industry' by Ralph Moss? He goes into vitamin C (in liquid form) a bit . . . The book's a must read, IMO.
Hard to know what to write, really . . . I struggle . . . b/c it's such powerful information, and also b/c there's a considerable amount more (of like stuff) out there . . . Gerson therapy, for starters, being one, which, as you likely know, was booted out of the states . . . and it's these sorts of thing being rejected for things such as chemo and radiation . . . I know a girl who just died (almost certainly) as a result of "treatment," although, on paper her cause of death was cancer. I'm not sure how correct this is, but allegedly reported in JAMA, even, amongst other places, it's said that people who do nothing whatsoever for cancer fair better statistically in terms of living longer (and probably quality of life, too).About what I was saying before... even if not directly related to energy-healing:
Doctors have a hard time admitting high dose vitamin C can do remarkable things... which is still a very material, quantifiable, non supernatural substance :D