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Sorry, I know this is off topic. It's my thing I suppose. But check this out also 12th century. Sometimes they are hidden others.... ah not too much. All the eyes are focussed on Christ's weird looking legs.
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Sorry, I know this is off topic. It's my thing I suppose. But check this out also 12th century. Sometimes they are hidden others.... ah not too much. All the eyes are focussed on Christ's weird looking legs.

Not only that, but the figures surrounding Christ are gazing also toward that area. Interesting stuff.
 
yada yada... we got to get to the bottom of the "wacky Christian" thing. It's either wacky (like Mormonism is wacky) or it's not. All this other stuff we've been arguing about is a sideshow.

So, prove me wrong... educate me. Find a guest who'll come on and show me the light. Send them links to the "wacky anti-Christian" shows I've done and then invite them to come on and set me straight.

This would be a nice contribution to the forum... it would show that you're willing to pull your weight around here :) Of course, if you can't/won't then I would expect you to back off of this blathering on about "wacky Christian" ideas.
No problem. Ask Sheldrake why he's a Christian. He's a serious academic. He promotes left field ideas. He's an Anglican. Why waste time on an apologist duck shoot when you have someone on hand who totally gets it? Of course you could always get a street corner ranter or bible belt nut and allow him to stand for all Christianity, you know, case closed and all that?
 
Were all expressing opinions based on how we perceive/experienced this world. I think that can be called having a bias. In recognizing that, one can consider how one's own bias is only as valid or worthless as any other opinion. Any feeling of conflict dissipates. Even Mr. Storm has taken this approach.

There's quite a few stories, where a Jesus encounter transformed the NDEer's life. One example is Mr. Storm. I choose to believe Mr Storm, that's my bias.
Its also interesting to note that those cultures ignorant of Jesus, such as is recounted in Sciborg's attach. did not have any encounters with him. Rather their experience is either with other entites, or encountering one's own divinity as in the Tibetian Book of the Dead.

I see 2 completely diametrically oppossed versions of reality. It's funny, one comes the West, the other comes from the East. One version cited by the majority of Mediums in communication with their spirit guides and connection with people who have passed and NDEers who encounter beings of light is that becoming is a process. One has to learn how to love, be compassionate, through self sacrafice, acts of kindness, meditative techniques and possibly faith in some authority of goodness, i.e the Bible, Jesus, Gurus, Mohammed, blah, blah. Raising one's vibrational level requires learning from experience. That is basically the Christian belief system. We are born in sin and must be redeemed. It appears to form the very fabric of our western view of spirituality.

The other version is there is no becoming. There is only recognition of what is. The effect of becoming or seeking perfection is in itself a hinderance to self liberation. Stories attributed to Buddha have him engaging in seemingly contradictory statements about god and achieveing perfection because the immediate present can only exist in absence of the seeker. Death occurs at every moment so the self is extinquished. There is a hint of this in messages from NDEers. Be joyous, be loving. The trancendental experience of leaving the body and it's brain full of stuff appears to be liberating. There is the description of an overwhelming sense of peace and being enveloped in intense joy and love. This is remarkably similar to the description of samadi and nirvana. I forget who the wonderful person was who attached Tony Perkins in this forum. He basically explodes the whole mystery of this process of growth. Its quite beautiful.

Haha not Perkins, Parsons, Tony Parsons, maybe liberation only is visited upon those of us with spiritual last names as Tony PARSONS, Jiddu KRISNAmurti, Jesus CHRIST, Seymore LIGHT. Made the last one up.
http://www.theopensecret.com/whatiswhatis.html
 
Not only that, but the figures surrounding Christ are gazing also toward that area. Interesting stuff.

Just the tip of the iceberg. It sounds crazy at first until you dig.
The essenes were masters of herbal lore of course. This runs very deep. Some connections are tenuous but the scope is enormous. The symbolism is all throughout. Including the adopted pagan Christmas ritual and even the Easter traditions. You can trace the evolution of religion, this influenced that. Ultimately you end up in prehistory with the soma tradition and shamanism.
 
Do you have a date for those paintings? I'm certain they're saying Adam was without genitalia. Literally and stuff.
 
also, I think it's ok to take a hard look at the claims being made. It's ok to be skeptical. It's ok to be blown away by the mystery and the impossible contradictions... why does God make things so complicated :)

Perhaps the being you think of as a god is a demiurge, with the true God being a shard in our own souls?

Or at least that's what the Gnostics say.

As I said before, I like the idea that the True God is both Jesus and the snake in the garden, while The Elohim are jailers. Don't know if it has any truth, but it does help get around the "O Son, how unlike the Father" issues.

"The path to immortality is hard, and only a few find it. The rest await the Great Day when the wheels of the universe shall be stopped and the immortal sparks shall escape from the sheaths of substance. Woe unto those who wait, for they must return again, unconscious and unknowing, to the seed-ground of stars, and await a new beginning...”
― Thoth Hermes Trismegistus
 
Am I the only one who sees visual tropes and doesn't see 1950s spacecraft in these paintings?
http://lithiumdreamer.tripod.com/ufoart.html

I think I would personally remain open-minded. There are records of strange sightings going back thousands of years cataloged by Jacques Vallee and others. And there are the vimana of the sanskrit epics. I would remain open-minded. Many of the Marian apparitions are also tied to UFO sightings. I don't think it is black and white.
 
Do you have a date for those paintings? I'm certain they're saying Adam was without genitalia. Literally and stuff.

Not sure about that one. There are hundreds stretching back a thousand years or more. All of these have been discovered after Allegro's controversial book.
Even mentioned by name in a 16th century manuscript. Hard to track down.
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You'd be pretty hard core to deny the connection. BTW the pattern in the background is the amanita cap.
 
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Trust me when I say I am not attacking Christianity with this. Not at all. How could I when I seek the same through similar methods.
 
I think I would personally remain open-minded. There are records of strange sightings going back thousands of years cataloged by Jacques Vallee and others. And there are the vimana of the sanskrit epics. I would remain open-minded. Many of the Marian apparitions are also tied to UFO sightings. I don't think it is black and white.
Remaining open minded is what it's all about, but informed skepticism plays its part. For instance I want to know when those paintings were made. Was the art part of an allegorical tradition? Were the visual motifs meant to be taken literally? What part does allusion play? Are there similar figurative tropes by the same artist? Why did he choose to represent a scriptural passage in mechanistic form? Religious art contains all kinds of allusions, I've seen kitsch tat with the ascension of Mary resembling a rocket with flames coming from her skirt without any irony whatsoever. I still don't accept her ascent was based on a predecessor to Wernher von Braun's technology. In LS's picture I want to know why Adam has no dick and the trees display huge phalli. It wouldn't be too hard to spin a tale from that juxtaposition, but it would need some serious art history to raise it above Dan Brown tabloid conjecture.
 
Remaining open minded is what it's all about, but informed skepticism plays its part. For instance I want to know when those paintings were made. Was the art part of an allegorical tradition? Were the visual motifs meant to be taken literally? What part does allusion play? Are there similar figurative tropes by the same artist? Why did he choose to represent a scriptural passage in mechanistic form? Religious art contains all kinds of allusions, I've seen kitsch tat with the ascension of Mary resembling a rocket with flames coming from her skirt without any irony whatsoever. I still don't accept her ascent was based on a predecessor to Wernher von Braun's technology. In LS's picture I want to know why Adam has no dick and the trees display huge phalli. It wouldn't be too hard to spin a tale from that juxtaposition, but it would need some serious art history to raise it above Dan Brown tabloid conjecture.

All good questions, and all the subject of research actually. There are a growing body of academics pursuing this. Beyond Allegro who was on the original dead scrolls team and Gordon Wasson who are considered pioneers. It is not some plucked theory on my part. And in light of my own experiences it makes complete sense actually.

Please stop making these extreme comparisons such as the above, it sounds like dismissive skeptical rhetoric, yes?
 
Please stop making these extreme comparisons such as the above, it sounds like dismissive skeptical rhetoric, yes?
Not extreme at all. You've offered simulacra as evidence. I'd want a historian with appropriate art expertise on the case before I do an = sign on that stuff. Same way as I do when people claim the historical Jesus has no support. People can pitch their Knights Templar, holy grail, Illuminati, Pleiadian, ayahuasca trip history of civilisation, but to gain respectability and traction there has to be more than inference, supposition, nods and winks.
 
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No problem. Ask Sheldrake why he's a Christian. He's a serious academic. He promotes left field ideas. He's an Anglican. Why waste time on an apologist duck shoot when you have someone on hand who totally gets it? Of course you could always get a street corner ranter or bible belt nut and allow him to stand for all Christianity, you know, case closed and all that?
You seem to have missed the point... I want you to find the guest and invite them to appear on Skeptiko. Sheldrake is not a NT scholar or a Christian Apologist (listen to his recent interview with Joe Rogan) so he wouldn't be a good fit. Please take a break from the forum so you can concentrate on this important job. You can email me directly when you find someone.
 
Not extreme at all. You've offered simulacra as evidence. I'd want a historian with appropriate art expertise on the case before I do an = sign on that stuff. Same way as I do when people claim the historical Jesus has no historical support. People can pitch their Knights Templar, holy grail, Illuminati, Pleiadian, ayahuasca trip history of civilisation, but to gain respectability there has to be more than inference, supposition, nods and winks.

You don't need art expertise to recognize a mushroom Gabe. I have barely offered much at all. Like I said there is a lot of ground to cover.
I can gladly supply more, but we also have to look at the broader scope of religion it is not limited to Christianity.

You can keep the historical Jesus. All that can be said is that it is tied into the very origins and the relics are still around today in plain sight. What It means can be your choice.
 
How about Rupert Sheldrake? :)
listen to his interview with Joe Rogan... he answers all.

Also, if someone else can come up with someone who can go toe-to-toe with some of the stuff that's been discussed on the show (e.g. Atwill's parallelism, Acharya's pre-Christian borrowing) I will let Gabriel out of time out. But, you gotta get them to agree... I'm tired of chasing these guys down only to have them get scared and back out.
 
Remaining open minded is what it's all about, but informed skepticism plays its part. For instance I want to know when those paintings were made. Was the art part of an allegorical tradition? Were the visual motifs meant to be taken literally? What part does allusion play? Are there similar figurative tropes by the same artist? Why did he choose to represent a scriptural passage in mechanistic form? Religious art contains all kinds of allusions, I've seen kitsch tat with the ascension of Mary resembling a rocket with flames coming from her skirt without any irony whatsoever. I still don't accept her ascent was based on a predecessor to Wernher von Braun's technology. In LS's picture I want to know why Adam has no dick and the trees display huge phalli. It wouldn't be too hard to spin a tale from that juxtaposition, but it would need some serious art history to raise it above Dan Brown tabloid conjecture.

I'm not saying it is anything. I'm just not saying it isn't anything either. That said I don't tend to rely on academic experts too much to form my idea of the nature of reality.
 
You don't need art expertise to recognize a mushroom Gabe. I have barely offered much at all. Like I said there is a lot of ground to cover.
I can gladly supply more, but we also have to look at the broader scope of religion it is not limited to Christianity.

You can keep the historical Jesus. All that can be said is that it is tied into the very origins and the relics are still around today in plain sight. What It means can be your choice.

I think if you aren't familiar with the way psychedelic mushrooms look in actuality then it may be hard for some people to see the striking similarity.
 
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