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Interesting point! :)
Reece
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I think it's worth adding that the relative handful remain unseen, which to me is key, and we're left to argue about the puppet presidents. I think with such an enormous, seemingly monolithic system that helps hide and protect those few, it's easy to become apathetic. I'm familiar with Fromm's 'fearing being free,' but I'd say it's hard to tell. If there were actually a chance to dethrone the Oz behind the curtain and attain freedom, more people might be willing to sacrifice than one thinks . . . There just simply seems no realistic chance of doing so . . . but, as always, I do hold out for miracles. Surely they're possible. Actually, I'd consider it miraculous for people to start getting a better idea of who's behind the curtain or to at least start seriously asking the question.
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Vortex
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I found an English version of a brilliant article by Boris Kagarlitsky, a highly original and remarkably smart Russian leftist thinker, whose analyses are usually quite deep and are not restrained by "political correctness". So, whether you like leftists or not, his article is worth reading.
Some quotes:
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Interesting paper Vortex, though I'm curious as to what exactly it means to defeat "financial capital".
It seems to me that there will inevitably be something like a stock market where people have freedom to direct their own financial futures, though I would agree the current system is far, far too prone to corruption. (A friend of mine who worked in risk management pre-crash noted her department was just for show, that all their warnings would be ignored.)
I think there is a good deal of well earned resentment against Wall Street, though at the same time I question some of the solutions and "punishments". High tax rates to fund free education, for example, sounds good in principle but what happens when people don't major in something that allows for gainful employment? I certainly didn't major in math/econ because I had a deep love for either subject, rather I was concerned with paying back student loans - my original plan was to major in Literature. Another friend, who was an English major, once quipped "Unless the degree comes with some barista training for Starbucks I don't recommend it!".
The other part, about using political correctness to obfuscate class divisions I think the difficulty here is how broad the term "political correctness" has become. For some to simply question the economics of allowing an influx of unskilled labor or the possibility a particular religion may lead to a greater number of radicalized terrorists is politically incorrect, while on the other hand others feel their inability to spout ill informed negative opinions on various groups in public without consequences is apparently a noose around the neck.
On the whole though I do think there is a segment of the population that has deluded themselves into believing that the worst sins in the world relate to what happens on a person's twitter feed. I was talking with a friend about this - a comic artist who also works in a printer factory. He notes that despite being one of the only white guys at the factory he isn't made to feel out of sorts, that everyone just looks at each other as fellow workers. He also told me that his best friend was Muslim, that if you have 5 black friends in Philly two are Muslim but he's betting on three. To him Muhammed is a "Philly last name". As such he's surprised that for being white he'd be seen as committing some inherent crime against the world. It's this contact with reality that I think a lot of people on social media require.
It seems to me that there will inevitably be something like a stock market where people have freedom to direct their own financial futures, though I would agree the current system is far, far too prone to corruption. (A friend of mine who worked in risk management pre-crash noted her department was just for show, that all their warnings would be ignored.)
I think there is a good deal of well earned resentment against Wall Street, though at the same time I question some of the solutions and "punishments". High tax rates to fund free education, for example, sounds good in principle but what happens when people don't major in something that allows for gainful employment? I certainly didn't major in math/econ because I had a deep love for either subject, rather I was concerned with paying back student loans - my original plan was to major in Literature. Another friend, who was an English major, once quipped "Unless the degree comes with some barista training for Starbucks I don't recommend it!".
The other part, about using political correctness to obfuscate class divisions I think the difficulty here is how broad the term "political correctness" has become. For some to simply question the economics of allowing an influx of unskilled labor or the possibility a particular religion may lead to a greater number of radicalized terrorists is politically incorrect, while on the other hand others feel their inability to spout ill informed negative opinions on various groups in public without consequences is apparently a noose around the neck.
On the whole though I do think there is a segment of the population that has deluded themselves into believing that the worst sins in the world relate to what happens on a person's twitter feed. I was talking with a friend about this - a comic artist who also works in a printer factory. He notes that despite being one of the only white guys at the factory he isn't made to feel out of sorts, that everyone just looks at each other as fellow workers. He also told me that his best friend was Muslim, that if you have 5 black friends in Philly two are Muslim but he's betting on three. To him Muhammed is a "Philly last name". As such he's surprised that for being white he'd be seen as committing some inherent crime against the world. It's this contact with reality that I think a lot of people on social media require.
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Hurmanetar
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AG Loretta Lynch overseeing the Clinton email scandal investigation meets privately with Bill Clinton on her personal jet, and claims they only chatted about Bill's golf game and the grandchildren. Lol!
From ZeroHedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ynch-removes-herself-fbi-probe-hillary-emails
From ZeroHedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ynch-removes-herself-fbi-probe-hillary-emails
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Hurmanetar
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We went over this earlier... They consider "lies" to be statements like, "Hillary Clinton wants to get rid of the 2nd amendment" which is 100% true.
The Republican base doesn't see Trump's statements as "lies" to be excused. They like Donald because he says plainly what everyone knows to be true but the media and establishment politicians repeatedly lie about or dance around.
Vortex
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Oh my dear Hurmanetar Cat, you have changed quite visibly! Where are your kindly-looking, old-fashioned eyeglasses? And your funny hat, which you seemed to like so much? And not just your accessories, but your very appearance had changed - your fur became darker; your eyes are like an amber flame, and not so friendly now; and your whole posture shows strength and controlled volition, rather then relaxed curiosity that was so easily noticed in your previous looks.
It seems that you gave up your meek patience, and now is preparinbg for the hard struggle - probably a revolution? A next liberation for America? Tell me, my friend! :D
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Hahaha... I Hope I don't disappoint but It is much simpler than that! My fiancée is half Persian and loves cats... It's almost the 4th... And this is a Patriotic Persian cat! :)
Meowica was the runner up
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I'm guessing "financial capital" would be capital accumulated in "mega finance"... Like investment banking and hedge funds and those running the high frequency trading algorithms... Etc
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I think this is the kind of thing that sounds good but can easily lead to the kind of failures we've seen in socialist/communist states?
(To be clear I also don't think the other end of the spectrum, libertarianism, would work either. I do think both ends can inform the "middle" though.)
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ald-trump-republican-convention-campaign-live
"Pence does not come without baggage to a general election, however, where tens of millions more people vote than in the primaries. He is not very popular in his home state, nor well known outside it, and though his conservative bona fides will help unite the party they may push away important swing voters, particularly suburban women."
"Pence does not come without baggage to a general election, however, where tens of millions more people vote than in the primaries. He is not very popular in his home state, nor well known outside it, and though his conservative bona fides will help unite the party they may push away important swing voters, particularly suburban women."
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