The #QAnon Conciousness Phenomena

This is not good. Leftists are beginning to realize their over-the-top hate campaign against Conservatives is creating the backlash that will propel us into greater power.

Let’s hope this #Walkaway Movement does not catch on.

Non-violent resistance works by provoking the opposition to alienate more and more people until no one supports them anymore. It has seemed to me for a long time now, that the Democrats are waging a non-violent resistance campaign against themselves. I agree with you somewhat, it is better not to interfere with the enemy while he is making a mistake. But if the Democrats lighten up on the hate spewing vitriol, it will only lead to more people recognizing that they were scammed. But if they keep it up, more and more people will notice the doomsday predictions don't come true. The Democrats are between a rock and a hard place, damned if they do and damned if they don't. The question remaining is how many people can work through cognitive dissonance and recover their objectivity. From my experience observing materialists on skeptiko forum, I am not optimistic that significant numbers of people can be persuaded by facts. Hopefully I am biased by having observed a non-representative sample of humanity.
 
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Jim,

When you talk to Democrat folk, are they aware of what has come out about the FBI and DOJ, and about Strzok, Comey, etc?

Do they realise that Trump's actions prevented the US getting reengaged in Syria in a big and dangerous way?

Do they really want an open southern border? If there is one thing Europe is discovering, it is that an open border just escalates out of control - are they aware of what is going on in Europe, where they are finally talking about having to keep migrants in custody until after their asylum applications have been processed, and sending the others home.

Do they realise at all that most of the media are utterly biased?

I think Trump is a very clever president,and the revelations about the FBI seem to be building towards a crescendo. I hope the timing is right, because I think the only thing that will purge politics (Also, to some extent in the UK) of blatant deceit and fear mongering will be a severe defeat for those responsible. The political system and the media needs to be purged of this poison.

David
 
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Jim,

When you talk to Democrat folk, are they aware of what has come out about the FBI and DOJ, and about Strzok, Comey, etc?

Do they realise that Trump's actions prevented the US getting reengaged in Syria in a big and dangerous way?

Do they really want an open southern border? If there is one thing Europe is discovering, it is that an open border just escalates out of control - are they aware of what is going on in Europe, where they are finally talking about having to keep migrants in custody until after their asylum applications have been processed, and sending the others home.

Do they realise at all that most of the media are utterly biased?

I think Trump is a very clever president,and the revelations about the FBI seem to be building towards a crescendo. I hope the timing is right, because I think the only thing that will purge politics (Also, to some extent in the UK) of blatant deceit and fear mongering will be a severe defeat for those responsible. The political system and the media needs to be purged of this poison.

David

David those are great questions. But I don't have answers for you. I don't really enjoy debating. You could try asking on the psiquest forums in the politics sub forum. There is a trump thread there if you don't want to start a new thread. You have to sign up for the politics subforum otherwise it is hidden.

https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-president-trump

Can I post it there for you?

According to Q there are international forces influencing countries world wide. Part of what q says they are up to is taking away the power from those forces. I don't know if it's true or if they can do it. But it sounds like it would be a good thing. A lot of the seemingly intractable problems are created to make money and maintain control. If those influences are removed a lot of problems might solve themselves. The arrests in Saudi Arabia were supposed to be part of this.

I am afraid people are so attached to their own belief system, so convinced that the other side is evil, that they can't see through the lies.

Also you and I are from the older generation and are educated in the sciences. We know the difference between fact, logic, and opinion. A lot of people today do not have the intellectual training to recognize they are not logical either because they have not studied a technical or scholarly field or because the educational system had deteriorated so badly. They can't tell the difference between reciting a slogan they heard someone else say from making a reasoned argument they understand logically. They think the right answer is something you memorize and parrot back, not something you understand and apply appropriately according to varying conditions..

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In his book The Once and Future Liberal: After Identity Politics, Mark Lilla, professor of humanities at Columbia University, a liberal, explains how progressive students have been intellectually damaged by identity politics:
(Excerpt by Ed Driscoll)
https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2017/09/15/lilla-after-identity-politics-review/)
As a teacher, I am increasingly struck by a difference between my conservative and progressive students. Contrary to the stereotype, the conservatives are far more likely to connect their engagements to a set of political ideas and principles. Young people on the left are much more inclined to say that they are engaged in politics as an X, concerned about other Xs and those issues touching on X-ness. And they are less and less comfortable with debate.

Over the past decade a new, and very revealing, locution has drifted from our universities into the media mainstream: Speaking as an X…This is not an anodyne phrase. It sets up a wall against any questions that come from a non-X perspective. Classroom conversations that once might have begun, I think A, and here is my argument, now take the form, Speaking as an X, I am offended that you claim B. What replaces argument, then, are taboos against unfamiliar ideas and contrary opinions.


Adam MacLeod wrote in Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials
http://newbostonpost.com/2017/11/09/undoing-the-dis-education-of-millennials/
I teach in a law school. For several years now my students have been mostly Millennials. Contrary to stereotype, I have found that the vast majority of them want to learn. But true to stereotype, I increasingly find that most of them cannot think, don’t know very much, and are enslaved to their appetites and feelings. Their minds are held hostage in a prison fashioned by elite culture and their undergraduate professors.


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Camille Paglia: “It’s really started at the level of public school education. I’ve been teaching now for 46 years as a classroom teacher, and I have felt the slow devolution of the quality of public school education in the classroom.”

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What has happened is these young people now getting to college have no sense of history – of any kind! No sense of history. No world geography. No sense of the violence and the barbarities of history. So, they think that the whole world has always been like this, a kind of nice, comfortable world where you can go to the store and get orange juice and milk, and you can turn on the water and the hot water comes out. They have no sense whatever of the destruction, of the great civilizations that rose and fell, and so on – and how arrogant people get when they’re in a comfortable civilization. They now have been taught to look around them to see defects in America – which is the freest country in the history of the world – and to feel that somehow America is the source of all evil in the universe, and it’s because they’ve never been exposed to the actual evil of the history of humanity. They know nothing!”

~2:04
Camille Paglia: My generation of the 1960's, when I arrived in college in 1964 there were parietal rules in place so that the women in my dorm had to sign in at 11:00 at night. The men could run free. It was my generation that rose up and said that we wanted to be treated equally and we want freedom. And the colleges said the world is a dangerous place. You could be attacked you could be raped. We said, "Give us the freedom to risk rape. Freedom is much more important than protection and safety. And that's what young people have given up today.

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Christina Hoff Sommers: And right now the fashion is the identity politics, intersectionality, this is all the rage, and its the premise of this theory it's the idea that all the oppressions intersect with one another and form this matrix of oppression. And so young people in a typical gender studies class now learn that they inhabit a society that is this matrix of oppression and depending on your identity you might be advantaged so you have unearned privilege or you might be burdened because of your race or maybe your disability or your gender or preference and on and on. But underneath it all is this assumption that the United States is a white supremacist imperialist capitalist patriarchal oppressive society. And in order to liberate ourselves we have to, I don't even know what they want to do - because it's all - maybe blame one another and form - have little feuds, on social media and on campus.
 
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Conspiracy Pro-Tip

When researching a political advocacy group, put their address in Google. It's amusing how these people are so lazy they will rent space in the same office building as their corporate financial backers.

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https://www.google.com/search?q=1747+Pennsylvania+Avenue+NW

http://www.ncrius.org
 
David those are great questions. But I don't have answers for you. I don't really enjoy debating. You could try asking on the psiquest forums in the politics sub forum. There is a trump thread there if you don't want to start a new thread. You have to sign up for the politics subforum otherwise it is hidden.
I have given up with psiquest for the time being. Obviously you can post anything you want, but I think that people posing as anti-Trump will just find a way to dodge the question.

David
 
I think Trump is a very clever president,and the revelations about the FBI seem to be building towards a crescendo. I hope the timing is right, because I think the only thing that will purge politics (Also, to some extent in the UK) of blatant deceit and fear mongering will be a severe defeat for those responsible. The political system and the media needs to be purged of this poison.

The only thing that will purge politics is serious jail time for all offenders including the highest officials. This is what q says and I agree. To really fix the political corruption, to eliminate the extra-constitutional control of the government by moneyed powers, there has to be serious jail time.

When career bureaucrats are pressed to break laws by political appointees, they have to be more afraid of going to jail for breaking the law than of losing their pensions because they were fired for not obeying orders. Particularly in the FBI and department of justice. If the FBI is not corrupt they can be used to fight corruption in other areas of government. The problems we have in the US are so bad because the FBI has been corrupt from it's inception.

http://reason.com/archives/2018/01/30/fbis-unsavory-history-casts-shadow-over

https://www.forbes.com/sites/harvey...fbi-a-racketeering-organization/#6851a7383f42

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/26/5806...sia-the-fbi-has-been-political-from-the-start
 
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According to Q there are international forces influencing countries world wide. Part of what q says they are up to is taking away the power from those forces. I don't know if it's true or if they can do it. But it sounds like it would be a good thing. A lot of the seemingly intractable problems are created to make money and maintain control. If those influences are removed a lot of problems might solve themselves. The arrests in Saudi Arabia were supposed to be part of this.

What q is talking about is a kind of democratic revolution where the ordinary people (Trump supporters) take power away from the elite, like what happened in European countries as power was taken from Kings and Queens by the people ending with each person having one vote. If it is carried through, it can have lasting effects on civilization world wide. It could be that big.
 
That is a wonderful video - I hope that some of the people here who consider themselves Democrat will listen to this as well. This is a movement that really needs to spread to Europe. We have the same ghastly so-called Left wing politics, but probably not as intense.

I just hope the Democrats get a really bloody nose in November, and then realise that they need thought out policies to win elections - and that they can't rely on tame media outlets to lie to the population.

Democracy needs to press the reset button.

David
 
I have mercilessly ridiculed Alt-Light “Proud Boys” in the past, but this is a winning aesthetic...

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10/10 AntiFa Knockout in Portland last week:

Rufio is attacked with steel pole, parries it twice and then fires a cannon of a knucklesamwich for the night-night.


Who knew that letting in a few Token POC into your ranks was all it took to get the police off your back?

I like where this is headed.
 
He came prepared.

Both sides came prepared; AntiFa with offensive weapons, Conservatives with defensive body armor.

Watch the entire battle in 4K below.

Cops hide behind barricades and wait to restore Order until AFTER if becomes obvious AntiFa are getting their asses kicked.

The Leftist City of Portland tried to Heckler's Veto this officially permitted First Amendment March, but the illegal strategy totally Backfired on them.

 
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There was a free speech rally to protest political violence near where I live last year and the mayor falsely said it was organized by racists. Then when it was held they only let a few people in (so it would look like almost no one wanted to attend) while tens of thousands marched at a counter protest that ended up overrunning the free speech rally causing the police to end it.

I was pretty upset by that, it was like living in the soviet union. Having the government lie about and persecute people who held the same political views I do. It was a disgraceful way for them to behave in a state commemorated for its people who died fighting for freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in the American Revolution.

And tens of thousands of people, mostly college students protesting against freedom of speech and supporting political violence? If you support freedom of speech you are a Nazi? What are they teaching our kids?
 
Alt-Light learn what it’s like to be the victim of a Charlottesville Shuffle…

Written by the person who got the permit for the march portion of the event and worked hard to assure safety:

"I have waited to post this after Saturday’s march event. I was the one who got the permits for the march, met with Portland police many times before Saturday, this is the facts:

  1. Portland police stated they would have one or two police cars leading the parade. THERE WAS NONE!
  2. Portland police would have motorcycle and bicycle police on the sides of the streets along the parade. THERE WAS NONE.
  3. Portland police would keep Antifa from stopping our parade. THEY LET THEM COME AT US.
  4. Portland police said they would ensure it was safe. THEY DID NOTHING.
Portland police had a copy of the permits with a copy of our parade route before Saturday. They knew ahead of time Antifa would try to stop us. I told them this face to face at our meetings. I was totally LIED TO BY THE POLICE AND THE CITY OF PORTLAND.
When the parade started, I was YELLING at the police commander, WHERE THE F#K ARE YOUR PEOPLE. YOU F$KEN LIE TO ME. PLUS A LOT MORE.
As I left him and walked back to our group from across the street I was maced by a PORTLAND POLICE OFFICER. I guess he was mad I was yelling at his Sargent.

I am sorry to all of our people who got hurt and was maced. I do feel responsible for that.
Since Saturday I have been in contact with them and I keep on asking them the same question. On the pride parade, the police had a full police escort for them. You said you would do the same. Why didn’t you?

Again people, I am sorry. D.M."
 
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When you talk to Democrat folk, are they aware of what has come out about the FBI and DOJ, and about Strzok, Comey, etc?

Do they realise that Trump's actions prevented the US getting reengaged in Syria in a big and dangerous way?

Do they really want an open southern border? If there is one thing Europe is discovering, it is that an open border just escalates out of control - are they aware of what is going on in Europe, where they are finally talking about having to keep migrants in custody until after their asylum applications have been processed, and sending the others home.

Do they realise at all that most of the media are utterly biased?

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David

I assume confirmation bias causes many of them not to notice these things. They are obsessed with Trump and everything he does good or bad is seen as a crime against humanity while all these things done by democrats don't make it through their mental filters. They just don't pay attention to them or accept rationalizations explaining them as good.

If substantial numbers wake up, it will be interesting from an academic / intellectual point of view to understand what did it. It could be a useful bit of knowledge - what is capable of breaking through cognitive bias?
 
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I assume confirmation bias causes many of them not to notice these things. They are obsessed with Trump and everything he does good or bad is seen as a crime against humanity while all these things done by democrats don't make it through their mental filters. They just don't pay attention to them or accept rationalizations explaining them as good.
For goodness sake Jim, this is hardly insightful in any way, shape or form as Trump's supporters demonstrate the exact same behavior patterns.
 
For goodness sake Jim, this is hardly insightful in any way, shape or form as Trump's supporters demonstrate the exact same behavior patterns.

David asked me about Democrats, I was answering his question. If he asked me about republicans maybe I would have said something similar about them. But the fact that everyone suffers from confirmation bias makes my point stronger not weaker - no one is exempt.

Everyone suffers from confirmation bias, but Trump supporters are not as far off from reality as Trump haters because Trump supporters are getting the reality they expected while Trump haters are not.

Trump haters' system of beliefs was turned up-side-down after Hillary Clinton lost the election. They were told a Trump win would result in every dystopian nightmare coming true but not to worry because Hillary would win. Then she lost and they received a huge dose of cognitive dissonance.

Since the election, many things Trump supporters expected - lower unemployment, improved economy, etc are occurring - not a cause of cognitive dissonance. But Trump haters have to explain why all the dystopian predictions did not come true, why the prediction of a stock market crash did not come true, why predictions of war with North Korea did not come true etc etc - more cause for cognitive dissonance. Trump supporters are getting the reality they expected. Trump haters are not. Trump haters have to do a lot more ignoring, rationalizing, and inventing in order to keep their "reality" consistent with their strongly held beliefs. (Scott Adams explains it in detail in this viedo https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1014512373640466434 )

http://blog.dilbert.com/2017/08/17/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble/
How To Know You’re In a Mass Hysteria Bubble

A mass hysteria happens when the public gets a wrong idea about something that has strong emotional content and it triggers cognitive dissonance that is often supported by confirmation bias. In other words, people spontaneously hallucinate a whole new (and usually crazy-sounding) reality and believe they see plenty of evidence for it. The Salem Witch Trials are the best-known example of mass hysteria.

Anyway, I am willing to admit I suffer from confirmation bias. I do. Everyone does. Will you reply that you suffer from it too?
 
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I assume confirmation bias causes many of them not to notice these things. They are obsessed with Trump and everything he does good or bad is seen as a crime against humanity while all these things done by democrats don't make it through their mental filters. They just don't pay attention to them or accept rationalizations explaining them as good.

If substantial numbers wake up, it will be interesting from an academic / intellectual point of view to understand what did it. It could be a useful bit of knowledge - what is capable of breaking through cognitive bias?

Scott Adams also says it is confirmation bias but it is at such a bad state because the media reinforces it.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1014512373640466434
 
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