Trump Consciousness

Jim has posted a lot of pretty persuasive information - for example the various Black Trump supporters - do they really want to support a racist?
No, I expect they think roughly like me - simply attaching a derogatory adjective to Trump means nothing - you have to debate actual policies.
Or another example, the former Democrat who went to her first Trump rally and wrote up the experience in glowing terms. Incidentally, I noticed that she has been picked up by Fox News and repeated her very positive account there.

David
Yes she has, and all power to her, and to all those non-white people who have also come across to the Republicans under Donald Trump.

Malf, you make exactly the same mistake as the Democrats. They think if you just keep the debate at the level of name calling, people will just think at that level! In reality, that only works for a short time, and then movements like #WalkAway take off.

The American people voted for DT, and they don't want the Democrats trying to impeach him just to prevent them electing him again - that is not how Democracy is supposed to work! In November, I very much doubt it will matter whether you count the electoral college votes or the total popular vote - Trump is coming back again! With any luck the Dems will lose the House as well - they simply have to learn that the US is a democracy, just as Labour had to learn the same message in the UK.

David
 
No, I expect they think roughly like me - simply attaching a derogatory adjective to Trump means nothing - you have to debate actual policies.

Yes she has, and all power to her, and to all those non-white people who have also come across to the Republicans under Donald Trump.

Malf, you make exactly the same mistake as the Democrats. They think if you just keep the debate at the level of name calling, people will just think at that level! In reality, that only works for a short time, and then movements like #WalkAway take off.

The American people voted for DT, and they don't want the Democrats trying to impeach him just to prevent them electing him again - that is not how Democracy is supposed to work! In November, I very much doubt it will matter whether you count the electoral college votes or the total popular vote - Trump is coming back again! With any luck the Dems will lose the House as well - they simply have to learn that the US is a democracy, just as Labour had to learn the same message in the UK.

David

Are you replying to yourself?
 
David,

One reason I have not been participating in discussions is that, with infrequent exceptions, they don't change anyone's mind. Like with belief in psi, it's the same in politics. People mostly use logic to defend their beliefs not to form them. I am not interested in analyzing arguments for the sake of studying debating tactics, I am posting in this thread to share information with those who are interested in the same topics I am.

David, if you want my opinion on something I am happy to provide it to you but please ask me specifically about what you want to know. I don't have time to read every post and I have a few people on ignore so I can more easily find the posts by members who tend to write on subjects I am interested in reading about. So if you want my opinion on a specific issue please ask me for it - I am probably not going pick up on something from the discussions.
So you created a thread on a discussion board known for pretty rigorous back and forth called Trump Consciousness and yet you are unwilling to engage in discussion but rather wish only to create a repository for your favored politician and political policies?

Sounds like something that should be done on a blog; not a discussion board.

Carry on.
 
I find it interesting that neither Bart, nor Malf, nor anyone else wants to actually argue policies in this thread. This is typical Democratic strategy right now - just do name calling and abuse, but stay off policy at all costs. I wonder if whoever comes up against Donald Trump in November will try the same tactic in the debates. It won't go down well

David
 
I find it interesting that neither Bart, nor Malf, nor anyone else wants to actually argue policies in this thread. This is typical Democratic strategy right now - just do name calling and abuse, but stay off policy at all costs. I wonder if whoever comes up against Donald Trump in November will try the same tactic in the debates. It won't go down well

David

I don’t get it David. You said you were impressed with Jim’s videos of black folks supporting Trump (I assumed you thought they were representative in some way). I presented the broader picture (a very recent survey) detailing how black Americans view him. Is that not more persuasive than hand picked outliers?
 
Seen on twitter: "my family of lifelong Democrats ((over 100+)) have walked away from the party of hate/violence"


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I find it interesting that neither Bart, nor Malf, nor anyone else wants to actually argue policies in this thread. This is typical Democratic strategy right now - just do name calling and abuse, but stay off policy at all costs. I wonder if whoever comes up against Donald Trump in November will try the same tactic in the debates. It won't go down well

David
I haven't seen you talking much about policy, David.

Beyond trying to cover for Trump, in spite of what is clear to see for everybody, i haven't seen you writing much of substance.
You dismiss everything i said out of hand, you don't respond if you are asked direct questions, you sometimes seem not even to read the posts from people you are in conversation with.

I have given you samples of why i think his policies, and the way he executes them are no good.
If you go back and read my recent posts, and some of the posts from this thread i compiled here, you will see people give clear indications why they dislike Trump and his policies.
 
I haven't seen you talking much about policy, David.

Beyond trying to cover for Trump, in spite of what is clear to see for everybody, i haven't seen you writing much of substance.
You dismiss everything i said out of hand, you don't respond if you are asked direct questions, you sometimes seem not even to read the posts from people you are in conversation with.

I have given you samples of why i think his policies, and the way he executes them are no good.
If you go back and read my recent posts, and some of the posts from this thread i compiled here, you will see people give clear indications why they dislike Trump and his policies.
Well sorry I don't have time to read everything, but all your comments that I have seen were about snake oil, lists of nicknames etc.

If you have written something more substantial about policy, why not cut and paste it into your next post, and we can discuss it. All your snappy one-line comments about Trump, just roll off me.

David

 
Bart - I'd really like you to pick one substantive issue and discuss it For example:

1) Obamacare.
2) His claim that there are now fewer people out of work than has been the case for a long time.
3) His claim that his restriction of trade with China is desirable.
4) His foreign policy achievements or non-achievements.
5) His success at cutting the number of illegal immigrants.

Alternatively you can discuss the desirability of the policies put forward by his opponents - such as an open Southern border, switching over the entire energy sector to use renewables in 10 years, healthcare for everyone including immigrants, sanctuary cities, etc.

Please - only mention lies if they are relevant to the topic you choose to discuss.

Without that, we are just dealing with trivia like whether or not he lied about the size of the crowd in 2017, etc.

I hope that Jim will reply to any discussion of the above, but I am sure I will chip in regarding foreign policy.

David
I am willing to discuss any of his policies with you, choose a subject tell us why you like that.
But if you are going to ignore other peoples responses, there is not going to be much of a conversation.

I am not going to respond much to Jim's propaganda, if you really believe Trump is a good leader, talk for yourself.
 
Today my hubby went to vote for Bernie, just to try to get him on the ticket, so Trump could then publicly squash him.

Just thought that seemed relevant to this odd conversation! :)
 
Today my hubby went to vote for Bernie, just to try to get him on the ticket, so Trump could then publicly squash him.

Just thought that seemed relevant to this odd conversation! :)
A similar discussion happened in a UKIP meeting. Someone suggested joining the Labour Party and voting for Jeremy Corbyn as leader. The consensus was that doing that wasn't honourable. However this does point up a problem with political parties that ballot their members on who should be leader or chosen to become a presidential candidate.

Maybe the ballot should be among people who have been party members for a certain length of time.

David
 
I am willing to discuss any of his policies with you, choose a subject tell us why you like that.
But if you are going to ignore other peoples responses, there is not going to be much of a conversation.

I am not going to respond much to Jim's propaganda, if you really believe Trump is a good leader, talk for yourself.
Well let's talk about foreign relations - basically about peace.

David
 
Today my hubby went to vote for Bernie, just to try to get him on the ticket, so Trump could then publicly squash him.

Just thought that seemed relevant to this odd conversation! :)

Some people are predicting a fatal civil war for the Democrat party if Bernie gets a plurality but not the nomination. Not just fatal to the party which they predict will lose 1/3 of its members to a new "labor" or socialist party, but fatal to people when Bernie supporters become violent.
 
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