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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/denmark-permanently-discontinue-astrazeneca-vaccine-102122205.html


"Denmark on Wednesday became the first country to stop using AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine altogether over a potential link to a rare but serious form of blood clot"

Yep. The vaccines are wonderful aren't they.

Yes they are.

The rare from of blood clot apparently occurs both with Astrazeneca and the J&J vaccin. it is indeed very rare, only one in about a million people so far have died from these reactions.

The risk of dying from Covid is still about 2000 higher in my country.
So, even with Astrazeneca, the benefits still outweigh the risks by an incredible 200000%

This happens most with women under the age of 50. That is why over here (Belgium) we paused the use of Astrazeneca with people under 55 for two months.

I am on the list for getting my first jab in the coming weeks, wating for the letter now.
Older than 55, so there is a good chance i will get Astrazeneca.
I would prefer Pfizer or Moderna. Not out of fear for the blood clots, but simply because they protect more.
Anyway, i will take whatever i can get, they all protect against getting severely ill or hospitalized.

And guess what causes even more blood clots:

Research: Covid-19 more likely to cause blood clots than any vaccine

The study looked at 500,000 Covid-19 patients, and found an incidence of CVT of 39 in a million. In 480,000 people having received the vaccines from Moderna or Pfizer, the rate was four per million. For the AZ vaccine, the rate rose to five per million.

And who reported this concern, some anonymous blogger? A right wing stink thank? a supplement scammer? an antivaxxer?
No, it are the built in protections and constant monitoring by al parties involved that sounded the alarm.
 
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Let's forget about the vaccines for a minute.

Do you realise that we are over a year into all this and we are introducing health passes around the world in lockstep for something that isn't really needed anymore if herd immunity is reached, places like canada are locking their borders internally and preventing travel, Australia is even saying that with vaccines, the border won't be opened this year and perhaps even next year.

How can you be okay with all of this top down control over your life? Do you support it?
 
Let's forget about the vaccines for a minute.

Do you realise that we are over a year into all this and we are introducing health passes around the world in lockstep for something that isn't really needed anymore if herd immunity is reached, places like canada are locking their borders internally and preventing travel, Australia is even saying that with vaccines, the border won't be opened this year and perhaps even next year.

How can you be okay with all of this top down control over your life? Do you support it?
Its a worthwhile topic to consider DD. That's for certain.

Here in the U.S. the "health pass" notion doesn't seem to have traction; at least at the moment. Interestingly, there are some indications of the political extremes losing a bit of their population to the middle (which seems most sensible to me anyhow). To whit: 55% of republican voters approve the current administration's handling of the vaccine rollout. Similarly, 29% of Democratic voters now say illegal immigration is a major problem which is nearly double the 15% that felt this way a year ago. I read this as a potential sign of a return of common sense vs ascribing one's entire worldview to that of their own "tribe" so to speak. A positive sign if it indeed is one.

This relates to your question as I see the potential abuses of technology (medical, social networks, etc) to reduce individual freedoms and increase government control as highly unpopular when viewed through a common sense lens. Sure, the extreme left still wants to legislate what you and I can say, but I remain confident that common sense will rule the day and the pushback will eventually defeat this extreme "woke" narrative.

All that said, I could be reading the tea leaves incorrectly. That's why its good to continually ask these important questions. I just caution screaming fire in the proverbial theatre until we've actually confirmed smoke and flames. I don't see that just yet.
 
It certainly is very pertinent Silence, but I think that it is beyond obvious now that something is not quite right about all of the restrictions. Only a fool would continue to bury their head in the sand, so I don't give you much credit there! ;)

Silence said:
All that said, I could be reading the tea leaves incorrectly. That's why its good to continually ask these important questions. I just caution screaming fire in the proverbial theatre until we've actually confirmed smoke and flames. I don't see that just yet.

Right, so you've seen what I've been blabbering on about for the past year, but still want to watch the Titanic sink as you stand on the deck, rearranging chairs?

"This ship is unsinkable, all of these people are just being hysterical!"
 
Silence said:
Here in the U.S. the "health pass" notion doesn't seem to have traction; at least at the moment. Interestingly, there are some indications of the political extremes losing a bit of their population to the middle (which seems most sensible to me anyhow). To whit: 55% of republican voters approve the current administration's handling of the vaccine rollout. Similarly, 29% of Democratic voters now say illegal immigration is a major problem which is nearly double the 15% that felt this way a year ago. I read this as a potential sign of a return of common sense vs ascribing one's entire worldview to that of their own "tribe" so to speak. A positive sign if it indeed is one.

Well, it is something. Better than nothing. Is it enough though? I fear too many will just accept the chains...

Silence said:
This relates to your question as I see the potential abuses of technology (medical, social networks, etc) to reduce individual freedoms and increase government control as highly unpopular when viewed through a common sense lens. Sure, the extreme left still wants to legislate what you and I can say, but I remain confident that common sense will rule the day and the pushback will eventually defeat this extreme "woke" narrative.

The problem is that those with common sense are not in charge.

But yes, I too hope the woke crap gets shunted to one side for good. I pray that it does not take too long AND that it does not degenerate into the other extreme.
 
Let's forget about the vaccines for a minute.

Do you realise that we are over a year into all this and we are introducing health passes around the world in lockstep for something that isn't really needed anymore if herd immunity is reached, ...

When do you think herd immunity is going to be reached?
Maybe never, if enough people like you refuse to get vaccinated. See, that is why you should get a vaccine even if you are young, and think nothing can hurt you. It is to protect others.

... places like canada are locking their borders internally and preventing travel, Australia is even saying that with vaccines, the border won't be opened this year and perhaps even next year.
This is how countries try to slow down spread of new variants, can you see the logic behind that?

How can you be okay with all of this top down control over your life? Do you support it?
Although i do not feel this as a form of control, i hate everything about it, but i also believe it is necessary.
Ask yourself DD, do you really think governments around the world want to spend all this money on support for closed businesses, unemployment etc.? Why should anyone want to control your life? do you know how much work that is?
The idea that this pandemic is some sort of excuse is for control, is paranoid lunacy to me.
 
When do you think herd immunity is going to be reached?
Maybe never, if enough people like you refuse to get vaccinated. See, that is why you should get a vaccine even if you are young, and think nothing can hurt you. It is to protect others.

Really? Even though I am young? It is exactly the younger people who have been having these issues. There was recently case of a young 21 year old doctor who died the next day suddenly after taking the JJ vaccine. No prior health issues.

I'm glad that sticking up for my bodily autonomy ruckles your feathers, because you'd be the type of person if you were in charge, to mandate it by force. Dangerous.


Bart V said:
This is how countries try to slow down spread of new variants, can you see the logic behind that?


Haha oh yes, all the new variants! Endless and endless variants and mutations that no-one really cares about anymore. Vaccines are the way out! But no! They don't work, so we need new vaccines to fight the covid war! So let's lock down even further! Even though it's hardly worth talking about in terms of deaths anymore!


Bart V said:
The idea that this pandemic is some sort of excuse is for control, is paranoid lunacy to me.

Haha. Of course someone like you would say this. You are so blind I don't know where to begin.
 
Bart V said:
The idea that this pandemic is some sort of excuse is for control, is paranoid lunacy to me.

diverdown pointed out:
Haha. Of course someone like you would say this. You are so blind I don't know where to begin.

YEP! Thus I don't bother... I let their next life do the sorting out. Glad I don't share the fun they have in store for themselves.
 
This relates to your question as I see the potential abuses of technology (medical, social networks, etc) to reduce individual freedoms and increase government control as highly unpopular when viewed through a common sense lens. Sure, the extreme left still wants to legislate what you and I can say, but I remain confident that common sense will rule the day and the pushback will eventually defeat this extreme "woke" narrative.
Well I guess in your case it depends in which state you live. As I understand it, some states have locked down far more than others.

Seen from Britain, I don't feel so sanguine. I could see the process of locking down repeating here every winter until there is either an uprising against it, or we become at the mercy of some sort of financial takeover (I am not very financially literate in what exactly might happen).

I am also aware that 'big tech' has taken on censorship roles that it never should have. I feel a lot less free than I used to do.

I think you feel calmer because you either can't or won't look at the evidence regarding COVID, PCR tests, very novel types of 'vaccines' that are being rushed into everyone - even children, etc.

David
 
Why don't you try?

If you can't see it for yourself by now, and I have to point it out for you, then there is no point. You clearly don't have that something inside of you that alerts you to these kinds of dangers or has a problem with it, so even if I did show you the obvious, you'd never see anything wrong with it.

It's all business as usual to you. Which is the scary part.
 
If you can't see it for yourself by now, and I have to point it out for you, then there is no point. You clearly don't have that something inside of you that alerts you to these kinds of dangers or has a problem with it, so even if I did show you the obvious, you'd never see anything wrong with it.

It's all business as usual to you. Which is the scary part.
So, i have to believe there is some global cabal that wants to somehow enslave me, but you can not be bothered to explain or discuss?
Well okely dokely then.
 
So, i have to believe there is some global cabal that wants to somehow enslave me, but you can not be bothered to explain or discuss?
Well okely dokely then.

Jings ma crivens!

So just equate any fear to governments around the world using their emergency powers to consolidate power over the individual lives of people, to conspiracy theories.

I'm getting really tired of people throwing that around as if it's some self congratulatory point, of which you signal to others that you are not like these 'crazy conspiracy theorists', you are normal! You are a good citizen who trusts their government and if only the dissidents would just get in line for their jabs and stay home, we'd win this war!
 
Let's forget about the vaccines for a minute.

Do you realise that we are over a year into all this and we are introducing health passes around the world in lockstep for something that isn't really needed anymore if herd immunity is reached, places like canada are locking their borders internally and preventing travel, Australia is even saying that with vaccines, the border won't be opened this year and perhaps even next year.

How can you be okay with all of this top down control over your life? Do you support it?

Why do you think Australia and Canada are saying that?

Btw, Australia and NZ open their borders to each other in 2 hrs time.
 
Jings ma crivens!

So just equate any fear to governments around the world using their emergency powers to consolidate power over the individual lives of people, to conspiracy theories.
Since you are not interested in discussing any concrete evidence, what should i conclude?
What convinces you that any country, state, or other actor would benefit from consolidating power?
What are you actually claiming? Even that is not very clear at the moment.

I'm getting really tired of people throwing that around as if it's some self congratulatory point, of which you signal to others that you are not like these 'crazy conspiracy theorists', you are normal!

As i remember, it was me who was "so blind I don't know where to begin. ", so why don't you seek a point to begin and enlighten me.

You are a good citizen who trusts their government and if only the dissidents would just get in line for their jabs and stay home, we'd win this war!

I would have worded it differently, but in broad strokes, seems about right.
Although i don't think this war is winnable.
I have good hope that we can get to some kind of (new) 'normal', but Covid is not going away, this is going to keep flaring up.
 
Since you are not interested in discussing any concrete evidence, what should i conclude?
What convinces you that any country, state, or other actor would benefit from consolidating power?
What are you actually claiming? Even that is not very clear at the moment.

As I said, if none of what I've already said is not clear to you, then it's ridiculous to assume that you would even understand what I am talking about by expanding on it further, since again, you don't seem to be bothered by all of this.



As i remember, it was me who was "so blind I don't know where to begin. ", so why don't you seek a point to begin and enlighten me.

As above.



Bart V said:
I would have worded it differently, but in broad strokes, seems about right.
Although i don't think this war is winnable.
I have good hope that we can get to some kind of (new) 'normal', but Covid is not going away, this is going to keep flaring up.

Bloody hell. You are a walking meme.
 
As I said, if none of what I've already said is not clear to you, then it's ridiculous to assume that you would even understand what I am talking about by expanding on it further, since again, you don't seem to be bothered by all of this.





As above.





Bloody hell. You are a walking meme.
Careful, sheeple have feelings too, you know.
 
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