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  1. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    Not that Jurgen will even see this post because he will probably not return,,, but I guess I want to comment anyway. The sentiment in his post is exactly why I left before and will do so again now. As always I will keep an eye on the subject matter of future interviews to see if it is worth the...
  2. JKMac

    Mod+ Why David Bentley Hart thinks choosing a tie reveals more about consciousness than near death experi

    I didn't get much out of this one. The interview talked generally ABOUT his philosophy and it's implications, but failed to really delve into it and describe the details in any meaningful way. So unless you were already familiar with his positions you were left to do the research on your own...
  3. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    Jurgen: You are putting your finger directly on what, for many, is a very uncomfortable aspect of all this. 10 years ago I was a quite comfortable scientific materialist. The doorway to all these odd things was guarded by "proven" scientific theory, and further by the scientific method. Life...
  4. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    Oh. I misunderstood. I thought the existence of the non-physical had become a baseline understanding for you. Now I get it.
  5. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    Not trying to pick an argument but- If you are convinced in the existence of a non-physical reality then what is the basis of your hesitance to accept Jurgen's statements? Is it just that you haven't personally done these things? I haven't circled the earth in spaceship but I concede it has...
  6. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    Wow. What a great and detailed description! Can't tell you how awesome it is to converse with you on these topics!!! To me, it's like talking with Neil Armstrong about what it would be like to walk on the Moon. Thanks again for your participation.
  7. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    However,,, Last year in preparation for a trip to The Monroe Institute in VA, I re-read Robert Monroe's books and read many other books by people who had attended their Gateway program. I found several references where these folks participated in joint dreams where they arranged to meet and...
  8. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    I struggled with the same questions re: the "reality" of the lucid dream. But when I really looked at it, I was trying to eat the elephant all at once. I have since decided to trying eating it one bite at a time. My first challenge was to come to grips with the fact that the experience was...
  9. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    During the period of my research I have been writing essays to track my progress and to help me work out where I stand on lots of these matters, and why. I have turned a few of them into blog entries. May assemble some of the material into a book if it ever feels like the right thing to do. In...
  10. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    A reasonable list of doubts. I too m not able to adopt these as truths until I see some better evidence. Although I have long-since learned not to be as demanding/rigid as I once was in terms of "proof" in this realm. Having said all that,,, there is a ton of reports attesting to the primacy of...
  11. JKMac

    He claims to have traveled outside his body to bring back art… and much more |297|

    Thanks Alex for having Jurgen on. In my opinion, he is the most informative person I have come across on the matter of non-physical reality. His book, Multidimensional Man is a masterpiece. I have been doing research on non-physical reality for a number of years and have found that his...
  12. JKMac

    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    Alex: I think I need to take a break from this place. The air has become too dense. It is getting less and less often that I see or participate in a civil, open, enlightening conversation that advances understanding. To do so takes way too much effort. Maybe it's just the nature of these...
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    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    Cool. We have a jumping off point. We can agree that to start there. But I'd like to just ask about your closing point. Why is it that you say being a BR is inconsistent with how "I" live my life? (the hopotheticaI I, not me personally) From my perspective, I am a functioning biological system...
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    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    OK so lets just start here. I'm not trying to prove/disprove or in any way argue the whole mind>brain thing. Let's not even talk about where I'm at on that score because that doesn't matter. I'm trying to take a little piece of your system of thought and tease out a little detail, and look at...
  15. JKMac

    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    This is all that is italics- it is illogical or inconsistent to say that someone can't simultaneously think they are a BR and also feel that there is personal meaning in their life
  16. JKMac

    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    I don't think anyone has ever accused me of not listening... I'm not trying to "prove" anything nor asking you to. And I agree with your POV on the existence of consciousness. I will go further and say I specifically think it has a non-physical basis. I'm simply claiming the following: to...
  17. JKMac

    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    I may be missing some of your point, and I certainly don't mean to "screech", but what I was trying to get at is not the obscurity of meaning, but that a view where personal meaning might just arise from what they see as a biological impetus rather than a metaphysical one is reasonable. And that...
  18. JKMac

    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    I have a rule to NEVER a swear on a forum. I'd paste your's,, but then I would be breaking my own rule. But I'm the "troll"... Yikes. Don't worry all. I realize the futility of this so last posting on the matter.
  19. JKMac

    Mod+ 269. DR. MICHAEL SHERMER, SKEPTICAL SCIENCE REPORTING

    Wow. What a piece of work. I don't know who the other of the "amigos" are, and I really don't care but I have 155 likes with 143 postings. That didn't happen by trolling.... Oh,,, in case you missed it. I wasn't the only one to comment about the non-response.
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