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  1. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    This is the most important commandment, and the least cited and acted upon. I agree there is an imperative to act on it, but after over 1500 years this is still not happening. John 13:34-35 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." is...
  2. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    If our mind is captive to the materialist or religious narrative that demands belief that the world is this or that way, I think we switch off a natural sensitivity to deeper awareness. For example a few years back I was heading out of the house to go to the local fruit and veg - a quick trip. I...
  3. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    It could also be that spirts/Spirit is respectful of your desire to be let alone. I endured several years of mad stuff happening and a few events led me to demand it stop. I had had enough. I was exhausted and wrung out. And straight away the crazy stuff backed off. For some time I got nothing...
  4. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    I am interested that you say 'regained' - as if such a state has existed previously. I know there are assertions that this is the case, but I have found few persuasive. For example the 'paradise' of Eden is presumed to be place in which humans (all 2) dwelt in harmony within God's will - until...
  5. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    The questions proposes we are at an equal stage and there is something unreasonable that prevents us from expressing our equal affection for each other. So much depends on how we understand who and what we are. If we accept reincarnation we will imagine humanity differently from those who do...
  6. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    There are thousands upon thousands of stories like this. We are induced to think that 'magic' is rare. It isn't. Innate spirit assisted acts of magic are as common as (I don't know - pick something). What is rare is the formal magic - the ceremonial. But it has the name and the we live in...
  7. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    Yes, I did that. You just struck me as having a Taoist outlook. I didn't mean to say I thought you were a practising Taoist in an intentional form - just in a sense of harmony with Taoistic views - that were not informed by a thorough appreciation of all that Taoism is.
  8. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    I own what I say.
  9. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    That's my definition because it works for me and I am entirely content to encounter other definitions. If we accept the all is mind or God or MAL assertions we are still talking spirits in my view. By spirits I mean discrete expressions of God (for the want of a better term) in the same way that...
  10. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    I entirely agree with you. Messing around trying to influence stuff you know nothing about in reality, but think you know something about is what I fear a lot of magical efforts are about. When I discovered I could do things I was more alarmed and afraid than anything else. I wanted to...
  11. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    That's not a statement a lot of people would feel okay with. And that's then problem with talking about magic in an open forum, where the level of knowledge of the subject is unknown and likely to be mostly zero to very little, as well as a bunch of very negative POVs inherited from religious or...
  12. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    I entirely agree that people in governments may behave in ways that indicate deep exposure to adverse metaphysical agents. But that is not what Gordon said. Gordon referred to past professional roles that gave him useful insights. Government was not one. I have spent my adult life with a...
  13. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    This should be an easy question to answer. But its not. If the core of your magic is a connection with spirit, so much depends on the character of then spirits you work with. You may do all the right stuff and they will not play. You may have contacted spirts who would play, but you have...
  14. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    The trouble is that I know of nothing that is written on magic from a dispassionate point of view, and which might be considered to be skeptic's guide. That means a commitment of years of inquiry. There is no 'theory of magic' beyond saying that spirits make it happen. How and why is a secret -...
  15. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    Many. Long before I thought I knew anything about magic - in the early 1970s, 2 women approached me for assistance. I cannot recall why they thought I was a person to approach. They were sharing a house with a guy who was constantly sexually harassing them. I asked them some details and then I...
  16. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    Completely certain that some acts of magic. But not all do. Gordon has made that point too. Magic is an art, not a mechanical methodology. Its not like if you do A you will get B every time. But, if you are competent shaman appointed by spirit that may not be the case. It is, however, for...
  17. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    I am feeling uncomfortable and awkward. Where has everyone gone? Here is what should be an interesting and engaging discussion, and its like somebody farted in the lift and nobody dares say anything. Is that the subject of magic is too specialised and too few people have anything to say on the...
  18. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    And this is the sad fact of it. The term 'ritualistic' is often applied to what is thought to be the enactment of repeated and empty performances. Yet it can and should be powerful and beautiful. Like so many things it can be spoiled and debased by insincerity and in authenticity. If you are...
  19. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    I am puzzled by the lack of discussion here. Asking if magic is outdated tech is useful - if that question relates to magical practices currently being employed - can we do it differently? Do we need to? I think we need to begin by defining magic. Is it causing a thing to occur in conformity...
  20. Michael Patterson

    Gordon White, Is Magic Outdated Tech? |405|

    Such a sensible thought. We are so used to screwing around on this planet with the conceits of the Enlightenment we are clueless about how we fit into a grander scheme beyond the horizons of our conceit. I remember reading Jonathan Haidt's The Happiness Hypothesis (end italics is not working) a...
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