Mod+ 231. Dr. David Jacobs Dismisses Spiritual Alien Abduction Stories

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  1. Saiko

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    First, thanks for sharing. IMO your experience sets you apart from those who are interested but have only read and thought about it. Second . . . .this may be difficult to do but . .if you can aside what you've read since - what was/is your own take on your experience?
     
  2. KeithA

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    Hi Saiko, I don't mind.

    When it started I got the impression it was quick, that is it started very quickly and I was woken by it. I was lying on my back at right angles to this large PVC sliding window/door (which goes down to the floor and is 2 metres high by 3 metres wide) with my head a few inches from an opening which was a few inches open, so a 2 metres by 3 inch opening into the garden (as I said on the first floor). No curtain and very dark in the room. Calm warm night. The electronic bipping sound to my right came first. The buzzing/vibration was intense and the levitation (up, down, up, down) felt real. I don’t know why I can say this but my impression was that (whatever the source) it wasn’t a "device" in the conventional sense in that I didn’t see any - like no distinct physical object.
    The window didn’t open further, nothing solid came into the room that I saw but something was in the room to my right. I cannot define it, diffuse/bright...The buzzing/vibration was all over and around me together and intense with this bright diffuse light. Considering the small distance (inches) between my head and the sliding window opening, again my impression after was that the solidity of a large glass/PVC window wasn't an issue for whatever it was because the window was irrelevant to the size over which the effect was taking place. This is the issue to do with your post (see link below) to do with something else that is not just consciousness (like only a dream which it wasn’t) or physical (in that an actual object had appeared, which it didn’t). I can only say it was a diffuse and powerful presence.

    As I said, my recognition of it (I said something to it) stopped the effect and I have to say I was "lowered down". I also do not know if I was going to "go somewhere". Saying that, it's origin is impossible in the normal sense because of how it came and went. I have a nuclear physics background (post-grad. university from a good while back and am physically very fit/strong) so this would be a new physics effect on a person esp. the 1. Arrival 2. Control/overall effect over around 1 minute 3. Departure aspects (sudden). I had no physical injuries after.

    I have no problem relating this (even though I don't know you!) but since I made a rather long post a short while ago on the spiritual aspects of these experiences (the DSM 5 etc. post on 4 December) and I then saw your post about the kind of typology of these events, especially where you said

    http://www.skeptiko.com/forum/threads/et-abductions-beyond-the-usual-suspects.293/

    there may be a transfer of consciousness to a to create a physical manifestation at a specific location.

    in that was this happening in the room?? - I do not know - (and commented to you about your post), I felt honestly obliged to speak up on this to everyone. That’s it really!
     
  3. Saiko

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    Thanks much Keith. There's much there to absorb so I'll follow-up with you. Also, your experience is valid and I very much respect your take on it. Again, thanks for sharing.
     
  4. KeithA

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    Something that recently came to mind to do with Saiko's comment, there may be a transfer of consciousness to a to create a physical manifestation at a specific location, is the concept of the Holographic principle, where the information content of an object inside the universe is on a surface "bounding" the universe. But intuitively if you have an object in the universe then you think the information content of the object is where the box is located. So re the comment above, what does location at a point mean? Where are processes happening exactly? How much of a 3D illusion am I? Where did the thing with which I had the experience come from in this view?
     
  5. Saiko

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    Good catch. But I think you're confusing things. My statement was not at all about how primary consciousness is creating physical expression. It was about one possibility of what other physical species may be doing. Sort of like if you did an OBE , went to visit a friend in that state and generated enough solidity to physical interact with the friend.
     
  6. KeithA

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    I do agree though. I did mean an intelligence/entity. Firstly, if we picture using the normal way physics looks at the universe, distance/time (metrics), then something comes from another location far away and can do what you say. But even here "Travelling to" wouldn't be an appropriate term I guess. With the holographic picture (there's recently been a "confirmation" of the Holographic Principle for a specific situation which should generalize to our universe - been reported in Nature) where the information to do with location (I think this is right) is not actually at the location, then the way an entity/intelligence is actually doing this - this is not really happening in "physical space-time", it's happening somewhere else. Maybe "they" can manipulate the physics, i.e. this new physics.
     
  7. Saiko

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    - Conformation in the "status-quo materialist scientists say" way is of little consequence to me.
    - The universe as hologram (which may well be so) doesn't contradict there being actual physical distances
    - Let's use OBEs. Moving while in that state is basically more a tuning than a "going to a location" However it is still done within the expression of physical space-time.
    - Remember that physical space-time is - again for want of a better term - effect. Not cause.
     
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