Mod+ 233. MARY RODWELL WHICH EXTRAORDINARY HUMAN EXPERIENCES MATTER

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What are the best criteria to use in evaluating which kinds of human experiences are worth investigating?

It's an interesting question. Rodwell touched on one, viz: independent replication, in the sense that one subject reports something, and so do many others, without any of them being aware the others have done so. Therein lies the rub: in today's world with its instant access to information, how can one defend against claims that subjects have picked up information, perhaps even subliminally?

Another is verifiability, and one claim she made fascinated me: the one about children being able to read/speak/translate alien script. That strikes me as something that is verifiable and I'd love to see the evidence: are there any videos of children doing this? Have linguists been involved? Does anyone have any info about this? If I could see convincing evidence, that would be a bit of a game changer for me.
 
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What are the best criteria to use in evaluating which kinds of human experiences are worth investigating?

It's an interesting question. Rodwell touched on one, viz: independent replication, in the sense that one subject reports something, and so do many others, without any of them being aware the others have done so. Therein lies the rub: in today's world with its instant access to information, how can one defend against claims that subjects have picked up information, perhaps even subliminally?

Another is verifiability, and one claim she made fascinated me: the one about children being able to read/speak/translate alien script. That strikes me as something that is verifiable and I'd love to see the evidence: are there any videos of children doing this? Have linguists been involved? Does anyone have any info about this? If I could see convincing evidence, that would be a bit of a game changer for me.
good point re the research-ability of it. Initially I was a little put-off by Mary's lack of interest in scientific research... maybe lack of interest is too strong... but still, it isn't what drives her. but by the time we finished I kinda came around to her way of thinking. pushing too hard for the kind of proof you (and I) are looking for might lead us in the wrong direction in terms of understanding the deeper questions.
 

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This was a great idea to have Mary Rodwell back and respond to the Jacobs interview.

I'm not finished listening to it (I like these longer podcasts!) but I was interesting in hearing Rodwell discuss her own careful approach and methodology to hypnosis.

I thought she made strong points about the (potential) validity of the reality experienced by the "abductees" when she talks about 1) that experience not fitting their expectations, and 2) the consistent patterns found in those experiences (although there's the question of people's previous exposure to abduction material, but she also addresses that to some degree). These are two points that we find also buttressing the argument for the validity of the (objective) reality of the near-death experience.
 
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That would be "inebriated" with an i: not that your post adds the least scintilla of worth to the thread.
Humor blows right over your head like a jet plane, doesn't it.

I supppose in your earnestness to dfend your - - you didn't notiece that I was poiinting out "experieences"?
extrodinary" were misssssspelled by Alex. Which is why I missspelled inebriated.

Keep your blinde loyalty in check from now on.
 
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Humor blows right over your head like a jet plane, doesn't it.

I supppose in your earnestness to dfend your - - you didn't notiece that I was poiinting out "experieences"?
extrodinary" were misssssspelled by Alex. Which is why I missspelled inebriated.

Keep your blinde loyalty in check from now on.
Actually, I did notice, and it was pathetic. Not even funny. Straight question: are you MU! now operating under a different name? Your posts are just as disruptive and you've been rude to people in more than one thread.
 
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Rodwell:

But if people say to me, “What is the evidence of that experience? They haven’t got bits of the craft, they don’t have XYZ.”

I say, “The evidence is in the whole fact that they change as individuals. You don’t change after a hallucination. You don’t change after fantasies. But you do change after an experience and every single person after these experiences changes in a multitude of ways in terms of their understanding of their own spirituality, consciousness. Even in terms of their motivations and their focus. That is evidence of a reality even if you can’t make it any more tangible at its present time.”
There it is.
 
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good point re the research-ability of it. Initially I was a little put-off by Mary's lack of interest in scientific research... maybe lack of interest is too strong... but still, it isn't what drives her. but by the time we finished I kinda came around to her way of thinking. pushing too hard for the kind of proof you (and I) are looking for might lead us in the wrong direction in terms of understanding the deeper questions.
I agree that even if there is incontrovertible evidence that the children can do what she says they can, that doesn't really solve the underlying mystery. However, it should be a wake-up call for anyone who is focussed on scientific evidence: here would be something that definitely needed to be taken seriously and couldn't be swept under the carpet. I think it would be huge.
 
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Rodwell's take on things is quite refreshing. I like the fact that she isn't ignoring the after-effects. People are changed by these experiences, just like NDErs are changed by NDEs. Those changes are the important stuff.

Let's face it, if NDErs were not changed by their experiences in a significant, consistent way, I would tend to dismiss NDEs as just "hallucinations of a dying brain", which is the classic answer provided by the materialist mainstream. But when you hear those experiences first-hand, you know it wasn't a hallucination. NDErs know what they experienced. And the consistent pattern of after-effects of NDEs suggests something "real" is going on.

Rodwell demonstrates the same kind of patterns in abductees, but we get stuck on wanting pictures of ET and pieces of spacecraft, so we lose sight of what's important.
 
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I am halfway through the interview and I am enjoying it very much. I'll probably finish listening tomorrow.

A couple of related links. The study about hypnosis and bone growth mentioned by Alex at the beginning should be this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10069091

The story of the lady that went to Rodwell for a past life regression and for the removal of the non-physical implants reminded me of this book:
Remarkable Healings: A Psychiatrist Discovers Unsuspected Roots of Mental and Physical Illness

Implants, curses, aliens, daemons... there's lots of labels but they all seem to point to the same things.
 
#17
I found Mary's account of the autistic child who explained to her mother that she had somehow willed her disability, very disturbing (which is not a comment on its veracity) and I wondered how the mother was able to handle such a concept. It does feed into a very strange concept of what life on earth is all about.

David
 
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I found Mary's account of the autistic child who explained to her mother that she had somehow willed her disability, very disturbing (which is not a comment on its veracity) and I wondered how the mother was able to handle such a concept. It does feed into a very strange concept of what life on earth is all about.
I had the same feeling. Also the story didn't sound new. I am not sure if heard it from another interview with the same guest (maybe Coast to Coast?) or if it's something that has been documented in a book or similar? Does anybody know more about this case?
 
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"A child of Eternity:" Look it up on Amazon. Looks like it may be out of print, but I ordered a used copy to read. Also, all of Michael Newton's work (and that of Brian Weiss as well) indicates we all choose our parents as well as our disabilities. So I don't find this disturbing or difficult to accept any more.
 
#20
Implants, curses, aliens, daemons... there's lots of labels but they all seem to point to the same things.
You might like to look up Patrick Harpur and his books on Daimons and the Soul.

Harpur's starting-point is that vast numbers of ordinary, reliable people, with no track record of involvement in Otherworldly phenomena, who would be regarded as reliable witnesses in all other circumstances, persist in reporting vivid encounters with the denizens of the otherworld. Those encounters in our age are likely to be with alleged aliens, large or small, but bear uncanny resemblances to the age-old encounters with faerie folk, spirits, and other manifestations of different places and other times.... The standard response to all this is to argue either that it is all in us, in the form of persistent patterns of hallucination or madness; or the projection of archetypal patterns onto reality. Alternatively, the phenomena are taken seriously as being evidence of something really out there in the physical world, as aliens visiting the Earth, or prehistoric creatures living in deep cold lakes etc. Harpur pursues a different, and more challenging line. What is at stake, he suggests, is the nature of reality itself.
Here's an interview:

 
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