I started listening to this interview and in first part I was really into what she was saying and her open-,minded approach, but as soon as she suggested that people who are suffering in this world somehow CHOOSE this suffering for a 'soul journey' I went right off. Although she may not realize it, this is typical new age which I find deeply offensive. I am only speaking my mind. I am not saying censor her, or she has no right to say these views. I also would not storm off like she said Jacobs did when she contradicted him over lunch, but I would rather like to explain my position. Please understand that the powers that be would LOVE there be a myth that those THEY choose to oppress 'choose' their suffering. This idea is central to the Indian caste system which is the 'Karmic' myth. This goes that those who literally shovel shit are doing so for their karma. meanwhile those who aren't are at a higher level having worked through their soul journey, amd of course at top of this hierarchy are the gurus who are supposed to be highly enlightened beings, seen by some as gods. This myth cannot be proven or disposition but in reality is VERY dangerous, because it absolves guilt and responsibility of those who as said oppress others. I mean, what about other species? Are THEY working out their karma or choosing to suffer? Or is it more that there are evil greedy people with n o soul or empathy and who take take take. Are THEY highly evolved cause they take. Some of the lite I believe think they are gods, and this is because they are not only born into money and power, but also take pleasure in sadism and murder and war!! This myth is counter to the authentic Goddess myth also. As I say it is new age. the fact that people may experience this in 'deep states' does not make it the 'truth'. Reality IS people being oppressed. What individual would CHOOSE for a 'soul journey' to be born a monstrosity which can be caused by affects of DNA damage caused by depleted uranium etc? It is an abomination to assume anyone would choose suffering! So although I would not storm off talking with Mary Rodwell, we would have to agree to differ.