Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

Fear is what propaganda thrives on
She did not create the fear, that came from a dawning realisation that there has been no effort to address the consequences of our use and neglect of the planet. She did not cause that just because she has brought attention to it. Would you rather youngsters remain ignorant and compliant?
I think ‘Involved and politicised’ may be dangerous when it doesn’t come from the right place.
True, when the motive is say, annihilation of a race of people. But the place she is coming from is the care of the planet, or lack of it.
It is a matter of concern to all of us, one would think.
 
I could complain that ‘I’m offended’ at seemingly being one of the targets of this comment. I think you’re just lashing out at perceived enemies. Doesn’t Greta herself sound a bit like a cult leader?
I'm not "lashing out" at anyone, I'm making an observation. I don't even perceive you as "enemies"
Jeez you're all so alarmist in your language. So intense and vitriolic! You must feel so threatened by her. What are you afraid she might achieve? Greater responsibility to the planet? And what is wrong with extreme leftist beliefs? I don't think much of what the extreme right has achieved.
 
She did not create the fear,
Really? I strongly disagree.

Would you rather youngsters remain ignorant and compliant?
You know the answer to this. In fact it may be better being ignorant rather than following a fake messiah. I’d be all for getting kids more interested in important things like the state of the planet. However, what I do see as a bigger problem than even that, is manipulation and propaganda and the very thing you mention - compliance.
 
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Things like the "Greta phenomenon" are simply acts of desperation by those who are incapable of accepting saner approaches to complex matters. When you look across the world and you see the causes that this type of emotionally charged "fear screeching" becomes what "they" hang their hat on, you really have to question the mental stability of these "front women and men." Then look behind them and you see the its just power seeking / relevance seeking conscious agents that realize they can't get what they want by debating the issues.

In this case, the issues are not just about "the climate" and this is what these fanatics have to avoid by any means, even if it is the employment of a fear campaign featuring a youth-robbed puppet.
 
She did not create the fear
I strongly disagree.
I have been afraid for the planet and her species since before Greta was born, for the same reasons she now has voiced.
What I do see as a bigger problem than even that, is manipulation and propaganda and the very thing you mention - compliance.
Try changing your perception from accusations of "fake messiah" and imagine she was your daughter; she is very vulnerable to attack, as has been demonstrated here by some very extreme and negative opinions. The manipulation of humans by powerful elites has quietly been going on, while our Earth has been ransacked. Compliance to that is the disaster, and anti-activist attitudes have allowed that to come about.

Fine. I can't be friendly and call you out?
 
Fine. I can't be friendly and call you out?
Jeez you're all so alarmist in your language. So intense and vitriolic! You must feel so threatened by her. What are you afraid she might achieve? Greater responsibility to the planet? And what is wrong with extreme leftist beliefs? I don't think much of what the extreme right has achieved.
1) “Jeez you're all so alarmist in your language.”
Me? Alarmist? And how would you describe Greta’s messages?
2) “So intense and vitriolic!”
Okay. If you say so.
3) “You must feel so threatened by her.”
Simply wrong.
4) “What are you afraid she might achieve”
Real power, that would be terrifying!
5) “Greater responsibility to the planet?”
That would be good. But not by force.
6) “And what is wrong with extreme leftist beliefs?”
I’d be most wary by anything labelled ‘Extreme’.
7) “I don't think much of what the extreme right has achieved.”
Wtf?

I’m not interested in ranting back and forward. I really can’t be bothered defending emotional statements such as those in the para above.
 
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Talk about irrational. Lol.

Here's a January update of Global Warming :) from Electroverse. Observations make climatism proponents look so much more ridiculous and out of touch with reality. It seems nothing can budge the zealots not even the climate itself! They only think what they are told to think like the herd of sheep that they are. How utterly absurd this situation is.
Remember that thing of the past called snow?

RECORD COLD SWEEPS RUSSIA, WITH MUCH MORE ON THE WAY
Severe frosts have ravaged the Magadan region of NE Russia of late, according to hmn.ru, sinking temperatures some 10C below the seasonal average.
Temps across the continent have been on the slide since the beginning of January, with the frosts “growing stronger”–culminating in the new all-time record low of -46.2C (-51F) set on Jan. 24 in Talon; which pipped the previous record of -46C set back in 1978 (solar minimum of cycle 20).
https://electroverse.net/record-cold-sweeps-russia/

FRIGID CONDITIONS ENGULF TRINIDAD & TOBAGO — “IT MAKING COLD,” TO USE A POPULAR LOCAL PHRASE
The mercury dipped below 20C on the dual-island Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago for the second time this month — “a rare occurrence,” according to the T&T Meteorological Service.
https://electroverse.net/frigid-conditions-engulf-trinidad-tobago/

BRITISH COLUMBIA SKI RESORT CELEBRATES RECORD SNOWPACK — “A SEASON FOR THE BOOKS”
“With an alpine snow base of 220 cm (7.2 ft) and more than 420cm (13.8 ft) cumulative already for the 2019/20 season it really is a season for the books.”
Keremeos reports that while the pack may be causing havoc on the region’s road networks, the ski hill is celebrating. SilverStar Mountain Resort is currently boasting its biggest snow base for Jan. 23 in over 10 years (since the previous solar minimum–of cycle 23).

https://electroverse.net/british-co...rates-record-snowpack-a-season-for-the-books/

AUSTRALIA HAS BEEN ANOMALOUSLY COLD OF LATE
Claims of a climate catastrophe have been put on hold this week, as record low temperatures -for the time of year- threaten much of Australia — maybe Hollywood can ask for its pocket-change back…?
A mass of cool air has engulfed the Aussie continent this week, bringing much needed rain to those parched-areas affected by the bushfires. Too much rain has actually deluged some parts, with flash flood warnings issued in most states, and golf-ball-sized reported in the east:
https://electroverse.net/australia-has-been-anomalous-cold-of-late/

STORM GLORIA BRINGS HEAVY SNOW TO SPAIN, KILLING AT LEAST 3
In Valencia, fire fighters were dispatched to clear the roads of snow, while in the Balearic Islands, roads were closed as rivers burst their banks following 24 hours of torrential rain. Storm surges also struck the islands — 14.22m waves were recorded in Dragonera island (the highest ever recorded in Balearics).
https://electroverse.net/storm-gloria-brings-heavy-snow-to-spain-killing-at-least-3/

RECORD SNOWFALL BURIED MANY REGIONS OF NORTH AMERICA OVER THE WEEKEND [NOT JUST NEWFOUNDLAND]
Newfoundland, Canada may still be stealing the headlines –with reports that now the military has been drafted in to help with the relief efforts– but a myriad of all-time snowfall records have fallen ACROSS North America of late…
DETROIT

Detroit suffered its snowiest January 18 in books dating back 150 years on Saturday, with 6.8 inches (17.3 cm) accumulating at Detroit Metro Airport — a total that dwarfed the previous record for that date, the 5.2 (13.2 cm) inches that fell way back in 1892 (solar minimum of cycle 12).
BRAINERD, MN
January as a month also has a chance of entering the record books, with perhaps a top 5 finish — the 12.9 inches (32.8 cm) that has fallen in Brainerd since the beginning of the month is about double the average for this point, though it’ll have to snow-some to surpass 2019’s all-time record of almost 37 inches (94 cm).

https://electroverse.net/record-snowfall-buried-many-regions-of-north-america/

EXTREME COLD “BOTTOMED OUT THE MERCURY” AT -50C (OR MORE) IN CHILCOTIN, B.C.
“Last night was the coldest anyone can remember,” said local Jennifer Toland. “Pipes froze, log cabins logs cracked, but miraculously the chickens survived in an unheated coop.”
https://electroverse.net/extreme-cold-bottomed-out-the-mercury-at-50c-in-chilcotin-b-c/

MUMBAI RECORDS COLDEST JANUARY DAY IN OVER A DECADE
The densely populated Indian city of Mumbai reported its coldest January day in over a decade on Thursday, January 17 with a maximum temperature of 25.3C — a full six degrees below the norm.
“Why is nobody talking about how cold Mumbai is right now?” asks Prarthana Singh on Twitter — Thursday’s high of 25.3C was the city’s lowest for the month of January since 2009 (solar minimum of weak solar cycle 23).
https://electroverse.net/mumbai-records-coldest-january-day-in-over-a-decade/


JACKSON, WYOMING JUST SUFFERED ITS COLDEST YEAR ON RECORD
In what we’re led to believe is a universally and linearly warming world, Jackson –a town in Wyoming’s Jackson Hole valley– somehow suffered its coldest YEAR on record in 2019.
Hansen was flat out wrong — what an expensive and wholly-exhausting waste of time global warming turned out to be…
https://electroverse.net/jackson-wyoming-just-suffered-its-coldest-year-on-record/

PAKISTAN AND AFGHANISTAN: DEATH TOLL SURPASSES 200 AS EXTREME COLD AND HEAVY SNOW CONTINUES TO RAVAGE SOUTHERN ASIA
The Pakistani army has been called-in to assist with relief efforts as many regions, particularly in the north of the country, continue to be ravaged by brutal, anomalous cold and snow.
At least 100 people have died, with many more reported injured, as severe cold and heavy snowfall continued to lash parts of Pakistan on Wednesday, January 15.
https://electroverse.net/pakistan-and-afghanistan-death-toll-surpasses-200/

EXTREME COLD SEES ALBERTA’S ELECTRICITY EMERGENCY ALERT RAISED TO LEVEL 2 — WITH LEVEL 3 MEANING POWER OUTAGES
The entire province of Alberta is currently under an extreme cold warning, reports cbc.ca.
Temperatures as low as -40 degrees through Monday evening saw electricity demand spike as Albertan’s uniformly took action to combat the brutal winter conditions.
https://electroverse.net/extreme-cold-sees-albertas-electricity-emergency-alert-raised/

RARE AND HEAVY SNOW COVERS SINAI PENINSULA, EGYPT
A substantial layer of snow has coated many of the mountainous regions of Egypt’s Sinai peninsula, in what republicworld.com has reported as “one of the area’s rare winter snowfalls.”
The flakes began falling on Friday, January 10 and continued through much of the weekend.
Snow in the region usually only sticks around for 24 hours or less, before temperatures return to their expected levels and quickly melt all evidence of the rare white crystals — this accumulation, on the other hand, has lingered for 4 days now as temps have struggled to climb above the freezing mark.
https://electroverse.net/rare-and-heavy-snow-covers-sinai-peninsula/

ENVIRONMENT CANADA WARNS THAT B.C. IS ABOUT TO BE THE COLDEST IT’S EVER BEEN IN MORE THAN A CENTURY OF RECORD-KEEPING
According to the Weather Network –who recently posted a video to help people prepare for the upcoming cold– “these wind chills are next-level.”
Winter is hitting the Canadian province of British Columbia hard in January 2020, reports narcity.com.
On Sunday, January 12 Environment Canada (EC) put practically ALL of B.C. under a weather warning, with wind chills in the -45 degree range headed for many parts of the province — temperature records dating back more than a century will likely be shattered over the course of the coming week.
https://electroverse.net/b-c-is-about-to-be-colder-than-its-ever-been-in-over-a-century/

AT LEAST 25 DIE AS RECORD-BREAKING SNOWFALL BURIES BALOCHISTAN, PAKISTAN
A string of severe snowstorms swept through BALOCHISTAN over the weekend, claiming the lives of at least 25 people, blocking many key roads and passes, and cancelling flights–effectively cutting-off Pakistan’s largest province from rest of the world.
The snowfall has already broken a 20-year-old record in Quetta –with the Provincial Government declaring an emergency there– with most weather stations still yet to report Sunday’s snow totals.
https://electroverse.net/at-least-25-die-as-record-breaking-snowfall-buries-balochistan-pakistan/

BLIZZARD RESCUE ON ICELANDIC GLACIER
Yesterday, in an article by the Reykjavík Grapevine, it was reported that 39 tourists, including several children, needed rescuing from the Langjökull glacier on January 8th.
The tour was reportedly stranded on the glacier “for several hours” as a violent snowstorm descended.
https://electroverse.net/blizzard-rescue-on-icelandic-glacier/

RECORD BREAKING BLIZZARD BURIES NEWFOUNDLAND, CANADA — U.S. ON COURSE TO BE HIT NEXT
Multiple major snowstorms have buried parts of Newfoundland, Canada over the past few weeks — more than 1 meter (3.3 feet) of powder has accumulated over the Avalon Peninsula.
Since Monday, Jan 6, thousands of homes have been left without power in Newfoundland due to heavy, blowing snow. A myriad of vehicle collisions have been reported, and many flights have been cancelled.
https://electroverse.net/record-breaking-blizzard-buries-newfoundland/

FREAK GREEK SNOWSTORM TRAPS FAMILIES IN THEIR HOMES FOR 10 DAYS
For “a whole ten days,” a number of families in the SE European nation of Greece were trapped in their homes as freak snowstorm ‘Hephaestion’ blew through turning much of the Mediterranean white — snow accumulations exceeding 4m (13ft) have been reported in some regions!
Two families were trapped in the village of Agios Nektarios, Greece for 10 days reports xrimaonline.gr.
https://electroverse.net/freak-greek-snowstorm-traps-families-in-their-homes-for-10-days/

25+ LOCATIONS ACROSS SOUTH AUSTRALIA HAVE JUST SUFFERED THEIR COLDEST JANUARY DAYS EVER — MAINSTREAM MEDIA SILENT
Parts of South Australia have just shivered through some of their coldest January days on record — with Adelaide missing out on beating its 1970 record by just 0.7C.
The temperature at Adelaide’s West Terrace weather station reached just 16.6C on Sunday — about 13C below the average for the time of year, and below the city’s previous lowest January max temp on record, the 17.1C from 1970.
However, because of the controversial way the BOM now measures Australia’s maximum temperatures “as the highest reading during the 24 hours to 9am each day,” an observation of 17.8C at Adelaide’s West Terrace site just before 9am on Monday has gone down as the official max for the 24 hour period.
https://electroverse.net/25-locations-across-australia-just-set-their-coldest-january-days-ever/

SNOW BLANKETS NAGALAND, INDIA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1982
The lower regions of Nagaland —a mountainous state in NE India, bordering Myanmar— recently received their first snow since the early 1980’s, as S Asia continues to battle its deadly cold wave.
The rare snow reportedly blanketed the rolling green hills and meadows of Tuensang, Kiphire, Zunheboto, Phek, Kohima and Peren districts near the turn of the New Year, and was thanks to a bucking of jet stream which drove brutal Arctic air anomalously far south, sinking temps some 10C below the seasonal average, to a system-shocking 2C (35.6F).
https://electroverse.net/snow-blankets-nagaland-india-for-the-first-time-since-1982/

348 MILES OF CHINA’S YELLOW RIVER FROZEN SOLID
As originally reported by xinhuanet.com, a “major” section of China’s Yellow River is frozen solid.
Driven by anomalously cold temperatures, one-sixth of China’s Yellow River -located in north China’s Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region- is currently frozen solid — a staggering 559.9 km (348 miles) was reported frozen by local authorities as of Jan. 3.
https://electroverse.net/348-miles-of-chinas-yellow-river-frozen-solid/

MET OFFICE ADMITS THE UK IS NOW COOLING
The last decade in the UK went down as the ‘second’ hottest of the past 100 years, at least according to the Met Office’s temperature dataset AND this recent article from the BBC.
But taking the Met’s politicized, warm-mongering, UHI-ignoring data as read, for arguments sake, the simple fact remains: the 2010’s have come out cooler than the 2000’s — the agency may be in control of the spin, but it hasn’t been able to fudge the findings.
https://electroverse.net/met-office-admits-the-uk-is-now-cooling/

GREENLAND JUST SET A NEW ALL-TIME RECORD-LOW TEMPERATURE
Summit Camp, also known as Summit Station, is a year-round research station on the apex of the Greenland Ice Sheet. It is located some 10,500 ft (3,200 m) above sea level, and it’s data is often cited by climate alarmists claiming “Greenland Is Melting Away Before Our Very Eyesand other such nonsense…
Adding to the list of temperature measurements those alarmists will likely ignore –or won’t even get to hear about given the mainstream media’s warm-bias– is Summit Camp’s preliminary low of -86.8F (-66C) set at 11:13 PM on January 02, 2020.
https://electroverse.net/greenland-just-set-a-new-all-time-record-low-temperature/

ANCHORAGE, ALASKA BREAKS ITS ALL-TIME NEW YEAR’S SNOWFALL RECORD
Anchorage celebrated the arrival of 2020 with a record-breaking blizzard after temps took a sharp tumble on the evening of Tues, Dec 31 following what had been a record-warm New Year’s Eve.
It was the snowiest New Year’s Eve & Day combined on record for Anchorage, with 9.5 inches of powder settling by Wednesday afternoon, according to NWS meteorologist Michael Vuotto — which comfortably surpassed the previous record of 7.2 inches set during 1963-64 New Year’s (solar minimum of cycle 19).
https://electroverse.net/anchorage-breaks-its-all-time-new-years-snowfall-record/


[AT LEAST] 50 DEAD AS SEVERE-COLD SWEEPS BANGLADESH
Serving as further proof of our mainstream media’s sickening ‘warm-mongering’ agenda, at least 50 cold-related deaths in Bangladesh, Southern Asia, have gone widely unreported.
Australia’s <20 wildfire fatalities since October 2019 continue to dominate the headlines —as that natural disaster is dutifully following the AGW narrative— and although a local tragedy, the numbers simply don’t compare to the cold-related deaths occurring in other regions of the planet:
https://electroverse.net/at-least-50-dead-as-severe-cold-sweeps-bangladesh/
 
See. This is where it gets confusing. (With the above post #1549 in mind)

Wtf are ‘neutrals’ to believe? In the Uk, at least where I live, we used to get ‘significant’ snow maybe twice a year, flurries a few more. Significant in that it would cause travel problems. It doesn’t need much! In the past few years, it feels like there have been fewer falls of snow.
Is this significant? Probably, in that when we’re told that we’re heating up, it seems to correlate with our perceptions. But unless we’re getting the true data from all over the world, we surely can’t be sure of anything. The truth is, I don’t have a clue.
 
She did not create the fear, that came from a dawning realisation that there has been no effort to address the consequences of our use and neglect of the planet. She did not cause that just because she has brought attention to it. Would you rather youngsters remain ignorant and compliant?
I agree there is a dawning realisation that we are neglecting the planet. However the realisation should have been followed by some effort to find a consensus as to what to do. Alex has already posted about the deliberate trick at the basis of the 97% of scientists claim. We don't need tricks, we need a more level headed search for good solutions. The big steps forward, would be to try to eliminate waste, stop further erosion of the rain forests, and stopping the militarisation of the planet.

If decarbonisation proceeds much further, I think we will see some dreadful tragedies. Already there was a tower block in Britain that was covered in cladding to save energy, and the thing burned down, killing and injuring a lot of people. Another horrible example was the decision to 'recycle' plastics combined with the decision that the recovered plastic could not be burned for heat energy (a small amount of CO2 would be emitted), but there was nothing to stop the stuff being shipped abroad and recycled there - recycled into the sea in many cases. Without the Green obsession with recycling, probably the best solution would have been some sort of intense pressure on the supermarkets to reduce the amount of plastics used to distribute food.

As it is, the Green movement manages to avoid blame for all the damage it does.

Changes made in haste as a result of a manufactured panic are usually plain awful.

David
 
The truth is, I don’t have a clue.
The truth is Steve we are only just scratching the surface in knowing the full extent of the the global electric circuit, electrical Sun - Earth connection, solar particle forcing and cosmic rays affect on the climate. No one knows the full extent.

Finally we are starting to get a glimpse of the enormous impact of space weather on the Earth's weather. Most Climatologists no absolutely nothing about this! This is why the overly simplistic trace gas, CO2 central control knob for climate is so ridiculous. We are only just starting to understand all of these interactions. CO2 is insignificant next to these things that have been left out of the equation. It's on par with a medieval understanding of disease.
 
Like it or not, the Greta phenomenon is a direct result of the boomers dismissing the studies and (very strong) expert consensus on this matter. That’s the irony: she’s actually your baby.
 
The truth is Steve we are only just scratching the surface in knowing the full extent of the the global electric circuit, electrical Sun - Earth connection, solar particle forcing and cosmic rays affect on the climate. No one knows the full extent.

Finally we are starting to get a glimpse of the enormous impact of space weather on the Earth's weather. Most Climatologists no absolutely nothing about this! This is why the overly simplistic trace gas, CO2 central control knob for climate is so ridiculous. We are only just starting to understand all of these interactions. CO2 is insignificant next to these things that have been left out of the equation. It's on par with a medieval understanding of disease.
Correct... and sadly, the extremely emotionally vulnerable are incapable of understanding this and never recognize how there reactionism is a manifestation of an "illness" instead of dealing with their this vulnerability... a vulnerability that is being exploited as a weapon aimed at the masses who are busy living their lives thus too often vulnerable themselves to the tactic.

Like it or not, the Greta phenomenon is a direct result of the boomers dismissing the studies and (very strong) expert consensus on this matter. That’s the irony: she’s actually your baby.
Nope - see above, malf... she's your tool.
 
See. This is where it gets confusing. (With the above post #1549 in mind)

Wtf are ‘neutrals’ to believe? In the Uk, at least where I live, we used to get ‘significant’ snow maybe twice a year, flurries a few more. Significant in that it would cause travel problems. It doesn’t need much! In the past few years, it feels like there have been fewer falls of snow.
Is this significant? Probably, in that when we’re told that we’re heating up, it seems to correlate with our perceptions. But unless we’re getting the true data from all over the world, we surely can’t be sure of anything. The truth is, I don’t have a clue.
Well a very relevant question is that given that the claimed global warming is only about 1 degree (max) since 1880, how is that supposed to make such a change? Also, look at Lone Shaman's post above - a lot of other parts of the world are experiencing very low temperatures.

David
 
Well a very relevant question is that given that the claimed global warming is only about 1 degree (max) since 1880, how is that supposed to make such a change? Also, look at Lone Shaman's post above - a lot of other parts of the world are experiencing very low temperatures.

David
I guess that’s why countries around the world are training experts to cut through the noise. Of course, somehow you outrank them because you’ve done some googling....
 
I guess that’s why countries around the world are training experts to cut through the noise. Of course, somehow you outrank them because you’ve done some googling....
Malf, I suggest you make more cogent comments without the implied slur.

I have known the figure for a long time, except that it used to be 0.8C, but then the climate scientists found a new way of analysing the data which added on an extra 0.2C

David
 
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