I'd forgotten how sadly funny this interview was. It was the "dog ate my homework" of Skeptiko podcasts. Just look at Churchland's failed attempt to redeem herself after the initial panic attack when she hung up on Alex: http://www.skeptiko.com/237-patricia-churchland-sandbagged-by-near-death-experience/ "Dr. Patricia Churchland: Hello? Alex Tsakiris: Are we back? Dr. Patricia Churchland: I can hear you; can you hear me? Alex Tsakiris: You’re coming through loud and clear. Dr. Patricia Churchland: Oh, okay, great. Whoops. Sorry. My headset fell off. Yeah, okay, so what’s up? Alex Tsakiris: Well, let’s try and finish. I think it was getting a little bit testy there. Tell me what the rub is here. I’m telling you that you totally distorted Van Lommel’s thing. It’s right there in your book. I can give you the exact page. It’s on page 71. You say, “There’s a neurological explanation for NDEs. Is there?” And then you cite Pim Van Lommel as a NDE researcher who says there is. He clearly doesn’t; he says the exact opposite. Dr. Patricia Churchland: [Silence] Alex Tsakiris: Hello? Dr. Patricia Churchland: Oh. Sorry. Yeah. Alex Tsakiris: So how do you explain that? Was it just a mistake or do you not know his research or… Dr. Patricia Churchland: It’s that a lot of people do see that. There are certain drugs and so forth that can cause out-of-body experiences or near-death experiences. Alex Tsakiris: But Dr. Churchland, I’m talking about what you wrote in your book on page 71. You say that this researcher, near-death experience researcher, claims that there’s a neurological-based explanation for NDEs. That’s not what he says. He says the opposite. What other NDE researchers do you know who support what you’re saying? Do you know any who do? Dr. Patricia Churchland: [Silence] Alex Tsakiris: Hello? Dr. Churchland? Are you there? Dr. Patricia Churchland: Oh. Sorry. Can you hear me? Alex Tsakiris: I hear you now. I didn’t hear anything before. There was just a long silence. Dr. Patricia Churchland: Oh. I don’t know what is going on. I don’t know whether it’s your computer or whether it’s my computer or whether you’re just messing with me or what’s going on here but this is not actually working out. I say things and you say you can’t hear me so I don’t really know what to say. Alex Tsakiris: No, please respond. I hear you fine now. I don’t have any problem. Dr. Patricia Churchland: [Silence] Alex Tsakiris: Do you want to write me an email response, maybe, to that question? I can do that. Dr. Patricia Churchland: [Silence] [End of Interview] "