Rod
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On March 15, 2014, Vortex wrote:
"STE" is spiritually transformative experience, I suppose…
Thanks Vortex, for explaining the term, and I suppose, too, that this is the meaning Alex had in mind, although he has not followed it up.
But, of course, it changes nothing about my initial reaction to his statement:
“You seem to be using one hypothesis to invalidate another. Please be a little clearer, if you can spare the time.”
If you want to challenge a theory or support another one, evidence is surely required.
However, just because one explanation fits for some observations, this doesn’t mean it fits for all. I would give the following example to explain this.
A boy goes out to a lake one day and sees some beautiful ducks swimming a little way off. He makes a note of their plumage, looks them up in the bird book he has with him and discovers that they are a species not known in his country. He walks around the lake and finds some men with guns aiming at them. “Oh, please don’t kill those ducks –they are very rare here.” Then one of the men opens his bag and the boy sees a duck just the same as the ones on the water in the bag sitting there very quietly, but as he stares at it he sees that it is not a real duck but artificial. “They are decoy ducks” the man says –“Made in Taiwan. If you ever see them here you’ll know that they aren’t real.” The boy is embarrassed and goes away. Two years later he goes to the lake with a friend and spots a duck of the same kind there again. “Oh,” he says with the tone of the experienced bird-watcher, “just a decoy.” But the other boy goes on watching it and as his friend walks away along the path that goes around the lake this friend notices that the duck is moving its tail and flapping its wings while it sits on the surface. He shouts to his the first boy to come over. His friend stops and asks why. “That decoy duck of yours is moving its tail and its wings.” “Well,” says the boy, “then the makers must have got more sophisticated.” And he walks on. The other boy looks back at the duck just in time to see it flying away.
I have seen quite a few sites in which evidence is presented strongly suggestive that the hand of U.S. military intelligence is involved in the abduction phenomenon, and this includes mind control of various kinds, which leads into many other phenomena. But it is still very far away from this site: the channels created here do not converge with those created there. There is no connection as far as I can see –the idea that at least some, maybe most, maybe all abduction experiences are set up by U.S. military intelligence is completely discounted on this site –as far as I can see.
However, even if you do discount the thesis, why not take a look for the sites that discuss it anyway, interesting in themselves. Some of the stuff they offer is mad and obsessive –like most ideas today, people let themselves run away with them. If you find yourself discounting their content as far-fetched, cold-war propaganda or the like, you may find yourself in the debunking class.
"STE" is spiritually transformative experience, I suppose…
Thanks Vortex, for explaining the term, and I suppose, too, that this is the meaning Alex had in mind, although he has not followed it up.
But, of course, it changes nothing about my initial reaction to his statement:
“You seem to be using one hypothesis to invalidate another. Please be a little clearer, if you can spare the time.”
If you want to challenge a theory or support another one, evidence is surely required.
However, just because one explanation fits for some observations, this doesn’t mean it fits for all. I would give the following example to explain this.
A boy goes out to a lake one day and sees some beautiful ducks swimming a little way off. He makes a note of their plumage, looks them up in the bird book he has with him and discovers that they are a species not known in his country. He walks around the lake and finds some men with guns aiming at them. “Oh, please don’t kill those ducks –they are very rare here.” Then one of the men opens his bag and the boy sees a duck just the same as the ones on the water in the bag sitting there very quietly, but as he stares at it he sees that it is not a real duck but artificial. “They are decoy ducks” the man says –“Made in Taiwan. If you ever see them here you’ll know that they aren’t real.” The boy is embarrassed and goes away. Two years later he goes to the lake with a friend and spots a duck of the same kind there again. “Oh,” he says with the tone of the experienced bird-watcher, “just a decoy.” But the other boy goes on watching it and as his friend walks away along the path that goes around the lake this friend notices that the duck is moving its tail and flapping its wings while it sits on the surface. He shouts to his the first boy to come over. His friend stops and asks why. “That decoy duck of yours is moving its tail and its wings.” “Well,” says the boy, “then the makers must have got more sophisticated.” And he walks on. The other boy looks back at the duck just in time to see it flying away.
I have seen quite a few sites in which evidence is presented strongly suggestive that the hand of U.S. military intelligence is involved in the abduction phenomenon, and this includes mind control of various kinds, which leads into many other phenomena. But it is still very far away from this site: the channels created here do not converge with those created there. There is no connection as far as I can see –the idea that at least some, maybe most, maybe all abduction experiences are set up by U.S. military intelligence is completely discounted on this site –as far as I can see.
However, even if you do discount the thesis, why not take a look for the sites that discuss it anyway, interesting in themselves. Some of the stuff they offer is mad and obsessive –like most ideas today, people let themselves run away with them. If you find yourself discounting their content as far-fetched, cold-war propaganda or the like, you may find yourself in the debunking class.