D. Shropshire
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No, it's the default position when there's nothing else to go on.Assuming it's just all in his head is jumping to conclusions.
No, it's the default position when there's nothing else to go on.Assuming it's just all in his head is jumping to conclusions.
That's a rational faith, unlike an irrational one like says that; ''since I don't undersand X, it must mean that ..........".
It's fascinating how evangelicals put words in your mouth in their epic battle against strawmen. Makes you wonder - are they trying to convince you, or themselves?
No doubt a bit of both. If they can convince you to accept their ideas, then there must be some truth to them after all.It's fascinating how evangelicals put words in your mouth in their epic battle against strawmen. Makes you wonder - are they trying to convince you, or themselves?
Ah, there it is - Materialism as the "default position" when facing a mystery. Just as the default position for a fundamentalist Christian is "The bible says so". I don't have a problem with you taking any 'default position' you like, but why come here and try to prosthelytize?No, it's the default position when there's nothing else to go on.
Who is trying to convince anybody, I'm just pointing out false logic?No doubt a bit of both. If they can convince you to accept their ideas, then there must be some truth to them after all.
By 'materialism', I guess you mean what is often called 'reality', right? But there is a big difference between a bias towards reality and the religious notion of obeying a bible. That would be more false logic since we know that religious texts are not evidence of anything.Ah, there it is - Materialism as the "default position" when facing a mystery. Just as the default position for a fundamentalist Christian is "The bible says so". I don't have a problem with you taking any 'default position' you like, but why come here and try to prosthelytize?
...it's probably just imagination, it's the most likely solution.
It doesn't make much sense to me to claim that by labeling an experience as '...just imagination...' it is somehow providing us with a solution.
Materialism is a philosophical belief system, not a logical or scientific fact. The only thing making it the default position for you is that you have adopted it as such. It appears you've unknowingly made some assumptions about the nature of reality. That's fine, we all do it, but no need to assert them here as truth. Most of us are here to investigate the nature of reality and have intelligent discussions about different possibilities. I will be the first to admit I don't have an answer.By 'materialism', I guess you mean what is often called 'reality', right? But there is a big difference between a bias towards reality and the religious notion of obeying a bible. That would be more false logic since we know that religious texts are not evidence of anything.
I enthusiastically agree. Maybe you should try it? ;)When faced with a mystery, there is nothing wrong with a person admitting they don't know; one doesn't have to make up anything at all.
eta: Keep in mind even Sam Harris thinks there's something weird going on.
I think they exist so we can benefit from them, who says you can not still follow a traditional spiritual path and still not benefit from entheogens? Why does it have to be one or the other? They offer a way free of dogma without the hangovers of religion. Although if you dig, you see that all traditions have roots connected with entheogens even if they currently do not condone intoxication in their doctrines.
Your message has no content, but just name-calling. Evangelical? Isn't that some religious concept?
I'm a philosopher and think from first principles.
we can just say the old maid imagined something, like that she was kidnapped and held as a sex slave by ETs.
Apologies Sciborg, I think I asked this before, but did he say this recently?
Here are a bunch. Lots of tunnels. Wormholes. Supreme beings. Life transforming experiences. Other entities. DMT at low does seems to give a limited color show. But at higher does the experience is much different.
By 'materialism', I guess you mean what is often called 'reality', right? But there is a big difference between a bias towards reality and the religious notion of obeying a bible.
There is one really important way in which DMT and NDEs are very similar, in neither case are the people actually dead, but still alive, and we know that the human mind is capable of all sorts of imaginings.
Materialism is a philosophical belief system, not a logical or scientific fact. The only thing making it the default position for you is that you have adopted it as such. It appears you've unknowingly made some assumptions about the nature of reality. That's fine, we all do it, but no need to assert them here as truth. Most of us are here to investigate the nature of reality and have intelligent discussions about different possibilities. I will be the first to admit I don't have an answer.
What many here object to is your insistence that your belief system is the correct one. Like any "True Believer", you have equated your belief system to reality.
I enthusiastically agree. Maybe you should try it? ;)
I've said enough here...anyone want to get this thread back on topic?
No, that doesn't follow......either. Nor do I see anybody answering my query about how you can call a guy dead when no death certificate has been issued, and there is no copy of the doctors tape saying; ''patient died at 3:15pm''.Thanks for that. Human imagination is amazing, isn't it? All the more so when declared clinically dead with no discernible brain activity. The corollary is that the more vibrantly alive you are, the less imaginative you should be.
No, that doesn't follow......either. Nor do I see anybody answering my query about how you can call a guy dead when no death certificate has been issued, and there is no copy of the doctors tape saying; ''patient died at 3:15pm''.