I enjoyed this interview and thought Alex was spot on in exposing Rick's rose coloured view of the future by asking in effect: 'Yes but how would an enlightened society really work? What would it look like?' I've been hearing for years about the coming shift and how few people it will take to tip the balance towards mass enlightenment. The facts remain as Alex pointed out that the sceptics and their fellow materialists vastly outnumber the 'enlightened' and I don't think it's being particularly pessimistic to admit that that equation isn't changing any time soon. What I do see is that whether folk are materialists, religious, new age or enlightened - 99 per cent of people are kind and well meaning and want to live in peace and harmony. It has always been the 1 per cent who cause the trouble in the world - the hotheads aka ISIS etc. And if overnight the 0.01 per cent who are spiritually enlightened, swelled to 99 per cent in some cosmic consciousness 'revival', society would still have to deal with the hotheads and the crazies. I think Rick said at one point he would hope in a truly enlightened society these miscreants wouldn't arise. In your dreams Rick. For the life of me, I, like Alex, just can't visualise how the world's problems would be sorted if nearly everybody was meditating and in tune with higher consciousness. We'd still have food shortages, environmental disasters, financial problems and the rest. Maybe we should accept that we've chosen to incarnate into a physical world to learn lessons by tackling problems and stop striving and dreaming of creating some kind of earthly nirvana.