Mod+ 282. CAN YOUR DREAMS PREDICT DEATH? NEW EVIDENCE, SURPRISING RESULT.

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  1. Hurmanetar

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    Okay, well it was worth a shot. :)

    I've seen/heard a lot of reports about pre-cognitive dreams regarding 9/11 and there's a lot of buzz on the interwebs that this coming September will see something as bad or worse. If you use that list of terms as a Google or YouTube search, you'll see what I'm talking about.

    Part of that is coming from the work of Christian Rabbi Jonathan Cahn and his novel, The Harbinger. He explains the 7 year Shemitah cycle and how it has portended financial disaster for America. For example at the end of the last Shemitah, the opening stock market bell failed to ring and the market fell 7% or 777.7 points that day. It was the beginning of the great recession of 2008. And the end of the previous Shemitah occurred when the markets crashed as they reopened after 9/11.

    There are several other lines of data that converge on this coming September as potentially being the beginning of another big event.

    If disaster truly is in the stars for September, then I expect there are people having premonitions and precognitive dreams about it as they did before 9/11.
     
  2. Ian Gordon

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    So what happened in 1994, and 1987 (wait a sec, there was Black Monday there ;)), and 1980, and 1973, and 1966... :)

    Also see:
    http://wmcgrew.blogspot.ca/2015/01/the-shemitah-and-usa-by-jonathan-cahn.html
     
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  3. Hurmanetar

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    I read the linked article, and the two points he raises are:
    A literal interpretation of scriptures precludes the Shemitah being applied to the USA.
    The coincidence of 7's is cherry picking and lacking precision.

    I think that it is possible for deep patterns to repeat in human history both in archetypal synchronistic (supernatural) ways and contrived (conspiratorial) ways. In other words, the elites who are into symbolism and numerology may plan things around significant numbers, while the supernatural also takes over adding unforeseen coincidences to the mix. When the stock market fell 777.7 points, that could have been a synchronistic event or since the markets are rigged with the AI plunge protection, it could possibly have been contrived. I don't know. But one takeaway I got from recently reading "The a Trickster and the Paranormal" is that contriving a hoax may open the door for the supernatural to take over. So that's why I think maybe it is a combination.
     
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  4. Andrew Paquette

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    Usually that is true, but one could be looked at as a date precognition dream.

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  5. Andrew Paquette

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    I just heard the show and would like to correct one error. At the time we conducted the interview, my copy of the article was dated as belonging to the June issue. After the interview was concluded, I was informed that the article would be moved to the following issue, published around September 1 or so.

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  6. Dmitch

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    Alan, maybe you should try again with the certified mediums used by the Windbridge Institute. It's a modest cost, but if it's for personal research (research always costs some money) into the veracity of what is being claimed? It's worth it. I used 2 mediums separately 2 weeks apart. Asked both the same questions. Only one medium was really successful and she made good solid contact with a close friend who died under mysterious circumstances in a foreign country. The medium recounted his death as he perceived it at the time. There was foul play. The medium's details jived with facts I later corroborated. I also made contact with a recently departed relative in the same session. She immediately brought up one of the unusual after effects of his death. There were too numerous unknowable specifics she couldn't have otherwise guessed with both souls. Both contacts answered direct questions with personal qualities specific to their character. It was amazing.

    The other medium was more diffuse with requested contacts and apologized. She wasn't having a good day and offered 1/2 my money back. However, she did start the session by letting me know a young man was nearby. He said a stone wall fell on him? no blocks, wall of blocks? I had no idea what she meant. No clue, then a memory came out of my distant past. In 1977, I worked as a framing carpenter for a small company. My framing partner Mike McGinnis decided to work a Saturday when I had off. While building walls in an apt. basement, 2 stories of a poorly supported cinder block wall collapsed on top of him in gusty winds. Wow, really? After 38 yrs, this fellow snatched an opportunity say hello? It took me 2 days to remember his name. (Sorry Mike). I figured that alone was worth her 1hr session.
     
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  7. Alan Amsberg

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    It is an interesting idea. It is the sort of thing that would make all of this stuff real and personal. Reading about stuff is one thing but experiencing it yourself is another (I can't make up my mind if I have experienced anything - long story - my stuff is coincidences not dreams or psychic stuff). On the other side, I have the feeling I could go through lots of mediums before getting a real hit... Still this Windbridge place sounds interesting and it is an idea. All that said, I am pretty much a believer already.
     
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  8. Andrew Paquette

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    Just for fun, I'll mention that after consulting with my uncle Mark (founder of The Data Bank in Minnesota), I bought Filemaker to use as my dream journal database software. One mistake I made when I designed the DB is that I put my notes on a separate page from the dreams they are connected to, thus forcing me to manually copy the identifying information from one place to the other so that the notes can appear on the same page as the dream. I did it because I was working on a smaller monitor at the time and wanted to save screen space. By then I already had more tabs than I wanted, so I made a completely new page. Now that I have a bigger high resolution monitor, it easily fits, but am unsure how to migrate the data so that it isn't a reference but stored intact on the same page as everything else.

    Anyway, that is my Filemaker connection.

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  9. Alan Amsberg

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    If you wanted, I would be happy to help you sort this out. Let me know via a "conversation" if you would like that. I understand that the database is quite personal. Most likely I could sort the problem out in a "clone" (copy of the database with no records) and you could then move the data into that clone. Or, it may be simpler than that, I may be able to look at the clone and say "do this" and "do that" and the problem will be solved.
     
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  10. Andrew Paquette

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    I may take you up on that, but not right away. I am trying to get my PhD done and it is taking all of my time. Thanks for the offer.

    AP
     
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  11. Not amazingly precognitive but figure I'd share -> The day of my mother's death I had a dream we threw her a goodbye party. Though she'd become largely bed ridden and had sadly wasted away, in the dream she was young, basically a little girl in fact. Watching the dream from a third person perspective you would think I was dreaming of a beloved daughter's birthday party rather than my mother's going away party before she entered the afterlife.

    After a good deal of fun she knew it was time to go - as I recall I twirled her in my arms and gave my final goodbye.

    She passed later that day - I mentioned her last words here.

    Related -> Probably recalling this due to Whitley Streiber's heart wrenching precognitive dream of his wife's miscarriage in Super Natural (Anne had planned to surprise him), where he suspects this never-born daughter lives on in another reality.
     
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