Alex Tsakiris and Tom Jump Debate Near Death Experience Sceicne |408|

I have been really interested in David Chapman's material on his meaningness.com website. I don't think he considers himself a humanist, per se. He's into a few very specific ideas that can be found in specific Buddhist traditions as well as in some Western thinkers. PhD from MIT, I believe, and a former AI researcher who realized at some point a few decades ago that hard AI wasn't going to pan out. He is not sympathetic to folks who pursue "eternalist" perspectives, which would include most spiritual folks. He has done podcasts. I would love for him to have a venue where he could really lay out his position that attempts to situate itself between nihilism and eternalism. He has yet to do a great job of really laying it out on his site.

This page kinda gives some hints as to what he's trying to say about meaningness. There's a lot of material on his various websites; I wish he would make a good effort to summarize his main points in one place:
https://meaningness.com/objective-subjective

His reading list is interesting and you can kinda get a sense of some his general ideas from this page:
https://meaningness.com/further-reading

Kind of a wild-card, but Sabio Lantz is another guy that I found through Chapman. Not sure if he does podcasts, but I believe he has advanced degrees in religion/philosophy and also now is a physician. I believe he is an atheist, though he talks about inexplicable spiritual experiences on his site. My sense is he would be much less combative than Chapman. He seems to be a gentle soul, but very smart, I think. I don't think he has the "professional" cred or big presence that Chapman does, and I don't read his site regularly, so take with grain of salt:
https://triangulations.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/6507/
There's an interesting illustration there -- the stuff in red is to be avoided: note "Grim Hyper-rationalism" as an approach to avoid. These guys understand the problem of "biological robot in a meaningless universe" though I'm not sure how convincing or satisfying their approaches to having meaning would be.

There are a couple guys over at the Spiritual Naturalism Society. This link shows several of humanists:
https://www.snsociety.org/sn-today/
Daniel Strain is the head of the SNS, I believe, and B. T. Newberg teaches a class. I interacted with them a bit several years ago. This is humanism through and through. For me, their perspectives just weren't powerful enough or weird enough; they seemed too close to nihilism for me. I would say they are much closer to "warmed over biological robots/meaningless universe" than Chapman or possibly Lantz.
great let's get him on. would you mind reaching out. let me know if you'd like me to help.
 
I am rather fond of John Carroll - an Australian sociologist - https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/jbcarroll. I particularly like his The Wreck of Western Culture, Ego & Soul, and The Existential Jesus. The sociological perspective is refreshing compared to the laborious cogitations of philosophers. He's a Christian of acute and stimulating character so his take on humanism has a bite, but without the gummy sentimentality of theological angst or the fraught intellectualisation of already dyed in the wool materialists.
thx. I have queued.
 
excellent radio lab. thx for posting.
Your welcome. Jad abumrad seemed intrigued, but so was I.


Another favorite episode is about a woman who teaches an adult how to understand sign language, supposedly, without any prior exposure or understanding of language since he was born deaf. Communicating the impossible is an apt metaphor for the work Raymond Moody is doing with his rational proof of the afterlife. I am really intrigued by it, but sadly some in the field don't feel that way. Also really looking forward to Sam Parnias next 'aware' study. Also really intrigued by Gary schwartz work.

Gary is known for many things, but for me its super synchronicity. I've had one happen to me.

It would be super useful to explain and critique these researchers work from an introductory layman's perspective -- without the usual bullshit.
 
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Your welcome. Jad abumrad seemed intrigued, but so was I.


Another favorite episode is about a woman who teaches an adult how to understand sign language, supposedly, without any prior exposure or understanding of language since he was born deaf. Communicating the impossible is an apt metaphor for the work Raymond Moody is doing with his rational proof of the afterlife. I am really intrigued by it, but sadly some in the field don't feel that way. Also really looking forward to Sam Parnias next 'aware' study. Also really intrigued by Gary schwartz work.

Gary is known for many things, but for me its super synchronicity. I've had one happen to me.

It would be super useful to explain and critique these researchers work from an introductory layman's perspective -- without the usual bullshit.
nice. happy to see a link if you have it handy.

BTW have you seen:
Children With REAL SuperPowers (Third Eye)

 
nice. happy to see a link if you have it handy.

BTW have you seen:
Children With REAL SuperPowers (Third Eye)

I think you'll find this reply useful.

Yes. I've seen the scammers and the researchers involved with 'seeing without eyes' and its variants. It's amazing and mystifying. A quantum physicist and neuroscientist have been involved. If its a scam that lady (seen the video?) is quite good. Watch her pupils. Wow.


The radiolab episode of ildefanso learning the concept of words is inspiring. I summarize its relevance below the embedded video.


"Schaller may have been teaching language to Ildefonso, but more accurately, she was teaching him how to map a new set of symbols on a most likely already existent framework of symbolic competence." Why would that matter? NDE's cannot be put into words either. They are in fact partially nonsensical. We need a translator. Raymond Moody is approaching NDE's in a similar way. Sadly IANDS Jan Holden didn't agree. That deeply disappointed me. She views her work as science. Raymond doesn't view parapsychology as science and self diagnosed himself as being on the autistic spectrum...

Btw, I think Jan is retiring soon. And she won the Eminent Faculty Award at UNT.


The synchronicity I experienced recently is ongoing and didn't involve seeing the same object over and over, all though that has happened to me. I think that's normal. It's a thought responsive reality after all. (I kid, I kid).

It actually involved control over my laptop. I actually took a screenshot the last time it occurred. I did basic things to be sure, like googling the behavior online to see if it occurs in the same model. I reset it too of course, fully. Still happens. Its the behavior combined with the exquisite timing! Its batshit crazy. Lock me up! :)

It's an undeniable personal intelligence. Its weird. And you are probably swimming in this weird energy too.

Jan Holden mentioned it during her IANDS meeting once, Alex! As in, directly, Jan stated during a meeting "if you are here, you are attracted to this energy"

As for my laptop, that is a clear sign of a virus -- or just an error with the screen reader! :) or god calling me to the mothership. To the flame little moths! You'll see what I mean by viewing the attached image. However, Its just an error without prior coincidences.

The screenshot was the video skipping to a pertinent point -- but not when the laptop was asleep. This screenshot is a separate but related occurrence witin the synchronicity. It skipped right to saying 'weird things happen to me'. That is weird, but the other events combined are easily 1 in 100,000 event.

Basically:

1. turning on when in sleep mode but when I think about it, 'hey wonder if it will act weird again'
2. turning off when i think'oh, no longer listening to the quantum physics guru (the video playing was just audio, and it was already on the screen via youtube, but asleep).It turns off. Remember, black screen, sleep mode -- now just no audio. It didn't fully awake, just plays the youtube audio. on cue.
3. Then I think, 'really prove yourself!" turn back on. It did, and rewound the god damned lesson! On, off, on again. I got up and wrote this down before heading to bed.

Strange. But not crazy. And it happened before -- turning on in a thought responsive way. Accept it did it the first time RIGHT WHEN i WAS WRITING OUT MY MOST SIGNIFICANT SYNCHRONICITIES. It never had that behavior before that point! And it has occured in other ways. And remember i reset it! And the other things include the command, 'open the notepad program rather than just changing tabs!"

And it did alex. From this spooky behavior I learned that I am Nick Bottom. I am a vital character in this play! I provide comic relief. Someone finds me hilarious.

Ask Jan about watches. But be sneaky! Ask her about the secret that happened to Sam Parnia during his aware study! I had the insight to ask! I didn't know how to ask the right question but I did. I love good questions.

I hope you are paying attention. :)

The video that played during the first synchronicity event while writing the previous ones was a video by tom campbell talking about children who see without eyes! In other words, the video in question was my first synchronicity on the laptop. And yes it occurred while writing them down. The laptop awoke then.

 

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