Anneke Lucas, Recovering From Unimaginable Evil |441|

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No, I don't think Anneke had all the shit coming that she went through, Mishelle. I don't think Annette Funicello should have suffered her illness for over twenty years before God mercifully took her home either. Nor do I think God has been fair with me either, born to the parents I had, with the learning disability I had and the subsequent tough livelihood of heavy construction work I endured. I don't know why both of my marriages failed while I nearly broke my back providing things most women can only dream of. And I don't know why I was struck permanently half blind by a stroke at age 62, dashing all the hopes I had for a pleasant retirement. Annette said shortly before she died that, "God will see me through this." She kept her faith. I do the same. I believe God has a plan for me as for all his believers and suffering to build an understanding character is part of it. I don't think we know for sure that abusers get away with their crimes for multiple generations/lifetimes. A few lines in the new testament at Hebrews 12:6 might be helpful here: "The lord disciplines those he loves and scourges every one He receives as a son. Those who receive no scourging are not true sons but bastards."
I’ve found it more helpful in my life to separate that which is an act of God, from that which is an act of man. This way, I know when to be righteously angry and seek retribution, and when I need to retract and observe b/c it is God’s hand, not man’s.
 
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What do you see in this photo? I’ve chosen one that is far older and more innocent than that which we see all over today in a way that would’ve been unthinkable even 50 years ago. This one was considered obscene, by a famous Czech holocaust survivor (Saudek, born May 1935). How is it today we see far worse and are expected not to object, not to see it as the work of ‘evil’ or of ‘Satan’ or of whatever new name you wan to give it?
 

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#85
“You do the Hokey-pokey! You do the Hokey-pokey! And that’s what it’s all about!”

YAY all kinds of goodies!
Look, you have to appreciate that not everyone wants to - or can - just drop out of society and live in a cave and forage or grow their own food. If that's your trip and it works for you, then great. Enjoy. I wish you the best on your journey. But please don't get all superior and sanctimonious about your lifestyle versus theirs.

Also, just because you oppose a war doesn't make it wrong. Furthermore, if you pay taxes it's so, in part, you can have a piece of land to do your thing on and not have some barbarians come and kill you and take it. Living the simple life is great, but, once again, life ain't so simple when you really think about what it takes other people to do for you to enjoy your simplicity.
 
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Look, you have to appreciate that not everyone wants to - or can - just drop out of society and live in a cave and forage or grow their own food. If that's our trip and it works for you, then great. Enjoy. I wish you the best on your journey. But please don't get all superior and sanctimonious about your lifestyle versus theirs.

Also, just because you oppose a war doesn't make it wrong. Furthermore, if you pay taxes it's so, in part, you can have a piece of land to do your thing on and not have some barbarians come and kill you and take it. Living the simple life is great, but, once again, life ain't so simple when you really think about what it takes other people to do for you to enjoy your simplicity.
Right, because the Iranians, no i mean the Iraqis, no the Afghans, no the Russians, that is, the Chinese, are right at my doorstep.
 

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#87
Do they?

If we are at all trying to be honest in this community I would suggest this is a dangerous way of thinking. There remains a full-throated skeptical community regarding this community's general views on consciousness, psi, NDEs, etc. It remains far from settled to my view and I realize I'm speaking in a heretical manner to most readers here.
yeah, but I've had a bunch of these skeptics on the show over the last year... and I have another one with matt alper. in my opinion the arguments by these folks are getting weaker and weaker. none of them are up-to-date on the latest research. matt alper is proud of the fact that he hasn't touched his book since 2008... that's 12 years ago. wait until you hear his arguments they are embarrassing.

same goes for the other folks.

if you think otherwise then please post in one of those threads and I will respond.
 

Alex

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Alex, I honor your assertion that staring into the abyss, doing massive research, per force results in discovering metaphysical evil. Demons exist, and they are colluding with evil humans to perpetrate crimes of the scale reported by Anneke.
Agreed. full stop!

The part of your interview that IMO was insufficiently unexplored was its references to the vapid Yogic idea that evil results from ignorance of the true Self
I agree. then again, this is a huge topic. I'm super grateful that this thread is beginning to explore it. I think the loosh ( I've heard it expressed differently in yoga terms but basically the same) has the potential to set us on a path for better understanding what's going on.
 
#90
Right, because the Iranians, no i mean the Iraqis, no the Afghans, no the Russians, that is, the Chinese, are right at my doorstep.
How about a biker gang, or drug smugglers/manufacturers, or white supremists, or some other murderous maniacs that should be in prison, but you didn't want to pay the taxes that pay for the judicial system and law enforcement. You use the internet. All sorts of things that cost money go into that. Come on. You are part of a much bigger system whether or not you want to admit it. At some level, that system even requires wars from time to time to keep things in balance and the barbarians at bey.

We're not going back to 10,000 BC. And given that we aren't, someone(s) needs to try to keep some order in this great big interconnected/interdependent world - and hopefully that someone(s) is able to do more good than harm in the balance.

Again, I wish you the best in your journey. Maybe someday you will learn to not curse at the rest of us fools.
 
#91
Agreed. full stop!


I agree. then again, this is a huge topic. I'm super grateful that this thread is beginning to explore it. I think the loosh ( I've heard it expressed differently in yoga terms but basically the same) has the potential to set us on a path for better understanding what's going on.
Loosh? It's a new term to me. Isn't it just that evil wants to stay hopped up on a dark vibe so it seeks to bring more people down to its level? A party is only fun if everyone is dancing to the same music. And since evil hates good, destroying joy and freedom is a reward in itself for evil.
 
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#92
I’m threatened by one almost every time I look at media. Have you looked at some of these links, like the Vigilant Citizen one I just posted? That’s why I care about ‘Satan’. Yes, I could leave the modern world, quite easily actually, considering I live in the woods and raise my own food, but I’m concerned about the world I’m coming back to, or leaving behind, b/c I find it grotesque. Some day soon I probably will drop ‘all that’s Cesar’s’ but for now I still have the energy and inclination to fight back and to find like-minds and to warn future generations.
I don't think it's defeatist it's more or less where you start and what your values are.
For me hearing about Satan does nothing, why? I don't but it, I think it's just a word thrown around. Besides what could a mere human do to Satan if God gave him the keys to the earth essentially?
My values would be helping victims of abuse, the Satan cosplay part means nothing
 
#94
How about a biker gang, or drug smugglers/manufacturers, or white supremists, or some other murderous maniacs that should be in prison, but you didn't want to pay the taxes that pay for the judicial system and law enforcement. You use the internet. All sorts of things that cost money go into that. Come on. You are part of a much bigger system whether or not you want to admit it. At some level, that system even requires wars from time to time to keep things in balance and the barbarians at bey.
The problem is that the US (among others) has (maybe had) become addicted to war - I mean Obama started two and a half wars while he was in power the second time (the half war being The Ukraine). Trump had the opportunity to start wars with Iran, Venezuela and NK, and ramp the Syrian war back up. Thank God he did none of those, because even if none of that had gone nuclear, it is inconceivable that anyone would have gained from them except perhaps the arms manufacturers and strutting generals. Vast numbers of people would have been killed, even more injured, and the cost would have been colossal.

David
 
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The problem is that the US (among others) has (maybe had) become addicted to war - I mean Obama started two and a half wars while he was in power the second time (the half war being The Ukraine). Trump had the opportunity to start wars with Iran, Venezuela and NK, and ramp the Syrian war back up. Thank God he did none of those, because even if none of that had gone nuclear, it is inconceivable that anyone would have gained from them except perhaps the arms manufacturers and strutting generals. Vast numbers of people would have been killed, even more injured, and the cost would have been colossal.

David
Whatever.

The more I delve into Lucas, the more convinced I am that she's a phony and another psy-op (or, alternatively, another self-serving con artist that incidentally becomes a de facto psy-op). Her message is all anti-West, globalist/socialist ideology packaged in a story designed to make you feel guilty for questioning it. Also, she certainly gets a lot of positive attention and material benefits. The message is most appealing to - and is delivered most effectively to - the vulnerable and the marginalized and those predisposed to being anti-western civ. The story of victimhood is a good cover. One has the moral imperative to believe the victim lest she be further traumatized. Then one must become outraged and, perhaps, take action. Red flags waving everywhere.

I am now officially calling BS on Lucas. The message/op is delivered as a mix of sensationalism and vagueness. A classic red flag. Who was Lucas' mother? Who were the world leaders in the cult? Who was the one that saved her? Why did he save her (Lucas says out of love - really? The satanist with the heart of gold, huh?). How did Lucas survive for the 30 years between her alleged escape from the satanic sex ring and her appearance on the lecture series/establishment of her non-profit organization? Where was she? What was she doing? How did an 11 year old just move to New York City one her own? Elsewhere she says she left Belgium in her late teens.

"In my late teens, before I left Belgium, I had taken stretching and strengthening classes in a dance studio, without being interested in dance. I liked the movements and continued to practice those exercises on my own after I moved out of the country. I had sustained severe injuries being tortured just before being rescued from the network at the age of eleven. I walked purposefully, to hide a limp from being stabbed in the back of my left knee. " Again, she can't decide whether or not she has scars, physical wounds, etc http://www.sutrajournal.com/interview-anneke-lucas-prison-yoga-by-vikram-sutshi

"I didn’t mean to go teach yoga in prisons, but the moment I set foot inside, I felt right at home. I was once a prisoner too. I also have been treated as the lowest of the low. I have also been treated as though I were evil. " Ah yes - prisoners of the world unite against "The Man". This is popular now with leftists - felons voting while in prison, no bail, even abolishing prisons all together are popular memes of the more radical democrats in the USA. This just screams psy-op.

More on her prison work-"I went in expecting to find psychopaths, like the adults of my past, and instead found sweet, humble women and men who were open and full of grace. " Over the top. Completely over the top. her handlers should tell her to tone it down a bit.

She has said on some occasions that she has no physical scars from all of the abuse, yet on other occasions she has said that her arms were full of scars from cigarette burns (None are visible on her arms now in any videos I've seen of her).

She is an uneducated run-away from a foreign country, but she speaks flawless American English without an accent.

She is funded to work in a male prison system (with much sympathy expressed for the prisoners) despite her alleged abuse background. I find that to be contrary to the profile of an abused woman. Why isn't she exclusively working with women prisoners?

Here Lucas is not really concerned about doing anything about a [yet another] yogi guru that sexually abuses women: http://matthewremski.com/wordpress/tag/anneke-lucas/ - odd nonchalance for someone like Lucas is supposed to be.

There is much more to strongly suggest that this woman is not at all what she claims to be.

Of course! The world order must be overthrown because the world is an awful place run by evil people...LOL...classic revolutionary psy-ops talking points.
 
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Mischele and Eric,

I think we are muddling up two different issues here. On the one hand we are talking about the horrid violence of war, and the way this has not always been used as an absolute last resort.

On the other hand we are talking about Anneke' claims. As I have already said, you (Eric) have consolidated some serious doubts in my head about whether her story is true - particularly the bit about this being part of a huge conspiracy. Is it possible that she may have been got at afterwards - while she was very vulnerable - and this idea was planted in her head?

One thing I do know, if we replaced the ruling elite in the World by a new revolutionary one, all kinds of extreme injustices would become commonplace. The answer has to be to fix the system - not replace it.

Eric - that video was also rather revealing.

David
 
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Eric,

Just want to say I share your feeling that there’s something fishy about this story. Many of your objections were thoughts that also crossed my mind.

That said, I don’t know what kind of endgame she may be pursuing if any at all. Perhaps there’s no further point than to stay right where she is, doing this for her own benefit? I just don’t know.

I am an unrepentant Bernie Bro, btw. I don’t see our current state of affairs as reflective of any kind of special virtuousness and despite potential weaknesses in a more leftward platform, I feel it is a necessary corrective. Just saying that because I think we can call BS on these kind of stories without being sympathetic to neolib/neocon political worldviews.
 
#98
Mischele and Eric,

I think we are muddling up two different issues here. On the one hand we are talking about the horrid violence of war, and the way this has not always been used as an absolute last resort.

On the other hand we are talking about Anneke' claims. As I have already said, you (Eric) have consolidated some serious doubts in my head about whether her story is true - particularly the bit about this being part of a huge conspiracy. Is it possible that she may have been got at afterwards - while she was very vulnerable - and this idea was planted in her head?

One thing I do know, if we replaced the ruling elite in the World by a new revolutionary one, all kinds of extreme injustices would become commonplace. The answer has to be to fix the system - not replace it.

David

Here's more that's troubling about Lucas' story

Concerning her biological father - "My parents waited to tell me the truth until years after I had left home. I was seventeen, crying bitter tears, when I was finally given the story. He was a composer and director of classical music. His name was Frederic Devreese. "

From -https://annekelucas.com/writing/2018/11/11/my-father

So her psychopathic mother sells her into a murderous satanic sex slave cult, but at age 17, after she allegedly escaped the cult, she's just hanging out in Belgium and having family get togethers with her mother?

Again, dates don't line up - "One day in February of 1981 the phone rang in my studio apartment in Antwerp ", but she says in the same article, "My mother and father had a one night stand in August 1962. ". So she would have been born May or early June 1963. In the same article, Lucas' goes on to describe meeting her biological father and having sex with him after their second meeting, "
He was glad that I was eighteen, and it was legal......His obsession increased. Three months later I left the country, vowing never to see him again. Moving to the South of France, I called when I arrived, angering him when I refused to give up my location, because he wanted to drive out to see me."

Wait! I thought she left for New York when she was 17 (or was it 11). Now she says she went to NY when she 22 or 23 (1985) and her biological father follows her and they end up have a several months long torrid sexual affair.....oh man...this woman is out there....waaaaaaaaaaay out there. I can hardly believe that Alex fell for her rap.

IMO she is a tool of some powers seeking to undermine western civ. Her story is an info/psy op.

The lesson here should be that we all need to evaluate why we are wanting to believe something when there is no real /tangible evidence to support any of it; just internet stories and "testimony" from shady characters.
 
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Eric,

Just want to say I share your feeling that there’s something fishy about this story. Many of your objections were thoughts that also crossed my mind.

That said, I don’t know what kind of endgame she may be pursuing if any at all. Perhaps there’s no further point than to stay right where she is, doing this for her own benefit? I just don’t know.

I am an unrepentant Bernie Bro, btw. I don’t see our current state of affairs as reflective of any kind of special virtuousness and despite potential weaknesses in a more leftward platform, I feel it is a necessary corrective. Just saying that because I think we can call BS on these kind of stories without being sympathetic to neolib/neocon political worldviews.
Whether or not she is consciously perpetrating an info op is irrelevant. That is one of my points. Psy-ops, like I said, can be merely seeding the air waves, ether, or what have you with lies, ideologies, etc such that the info gets picked up and assimilated into the wider culture. It's even better that way because people who have assimilated the info can't point to a single source from which it came. It's just "out there" and that gives it a truthiness. Lucas may just be a confused (or insane) lost soul who is helping herself get attention and money, but she is doing so by utilizing the undermining conspiracy theory about western government that was originally quite deliberately seeded into the culture by enemies of western civ.

That Bernie Sanders has been on the same wave length since the 1960s and is a disciple of Saul Alinsky and the global communist movement should tell you all you need to know, but you are not examining your deep seated biases and proclivities that make you susceptible to what he is selling.btw, I am not a neocon. I'm a good old fashioned liberal in the sense of Thomas Jefferson. I eschew identity politics and the idea that the oppressed must rise up and tear down the system. IMO the system is demonstrably better than anything the world has ever experienced at any time in history. I do not care about fairness. If someone has $billions that in no way impacts my ability to achieve and to be happy and comfortable and free. In socialism those running the show always have much and much power and those under them have only fear and poverty.
 
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Mischele and Eric,

I think we are muddling up two different issues here. On the one hand we are talking about the horrid violence of war, and the way this has not always been used as an absolute last resort.

On the other hand we are talking about Anneke' claims. As I have already said, you (Eric) have consolidated some serious doubts in my head about whether her story is true - particularly the bit about this being part of a huge conspiracy. Is it possible that she may have been got at afterwards - while she was very vulnerable - and this idea was planted in her head?

One thing I do know, if we replaced the ruling elite in the World by a new revolutionary one, all kinds of extreme injustices would become commonplace. The answer has to be to fix the system - not replace it.

Eric - that video was also rather revealing.

David
Lucas' claims and their veracity are important. We can't understand evil, etc if people are deliberately giving us a false view of what it is, where it is, how it works, etc.

The whole America is war monger trip I'd prefer to avoid because it is politics and not on topic, IMO.
 
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