Anneke Lucas, Recovering From Unimaginable Evil |441|

Reading comprehension issues?

The mafia has been decimated by arrests since the 1980s, yet new members keeps arising trying to rebuild. But the trend is downward. They are being replaced by Russian organizations and Hispanics and blacks.

Instead of being reactionary and negative to everything I say, maybe try thinking about it?

"However, if it's just random people popping up perennially in our midst, then there is no viable solution "

and

"When there is a desire, want, need, craving, then some profiteer is going to provide the object of said desire, want, need, craving. "

are relevant.

There will always be humans that want a life of crime. It's exciting, tough, profitable. Therefore there will always be smarter criminals that form gangs or networks. You can send every member of a network to prison/kill them and some new group will fill the vacuum. That is human nature. If there is opportunity to be exploited, then someone with the grit and right temperament and right skill set will take it on (even if those attributes are negative/evil).

Also, instead of you just sniping from the sidelines, I'd be curious to hear what you actually think. You have taken no clear position on any of this.

My position is that the conspiracy theory that the world is run by satanic pedophiles is utter nonsense and is indeed a psi op.

I further think that pedophilia is a sickness that infests all levels of society, not just elites.

I further think that sometimes organizations, like the church, find that they have pedophilia among them and they are embarrassed and try to deal with it internally. I think that is a less than constructive approach, but understandable. How would the church know what priest is a pedophile until it is too late? How would the boy scouts know? How would voters know?

Identifying a pedophile is something that can only happen after they have abused a child. The country does have a national registration for convicted pedophiles. It's not like the problem is ignored. The legal systems presumes innocence. It's not like Alex who becomes ready to convict based on a couple of kooks' testimony and some internet rumors.

So? What do you actually think?
Why are my questions negative and reactionary? Who is saying only elites are pedophiles?

You ask: “Also, instead of you just sniping from the sidelines, I'd be curious to hear what you actually think. You have taken no clear position on any of this.”
I find exchanging my personal position with you to be not in my best interest.
 
Why are my questions negative and reactionary? Who is saying only elites are pedophiles?

You ask: “Also, instead of you just sniping from the sidelines, I'd be curious to hear what you actually think. You have taken no clear position on any of this.”
I find exchanging my personal position with you to be not in my best interest.
Come on now. Don't be Paranoid, sketchy and selfish.

I'm throwing my thoughts out there. Why can't you?
 
James True has some interesting ideas here, around the 20 minute mark, about the nature of evil. He uses the word ‘weticko’ which I’ve heard before and that crossing certain thresholds, like pedophilia and cannibilism (funny, spellcheck is showing i’ve Spelled that wrong) cannot be returned from . . .

 
James True has some interesting ideas here, around the 20 minute mark, about the nature of evil. He uses the word ‘weticko’ which I’ve heard before and that crossing certain thresholds, like pedophilia and cannibilism (funny, spellcheck is showing i’ve Spelled that wrong) cannot be returned from . . .
Interesting video. I don't totally agree with those guys, but they raise some interesting points worth considering.

However, what they say at the 20 minute mark is off base, IMO - or more accurately it is true sometimes, but not the entire picture. They are assuming that evil is ignorance of, or a misdirection from,the true self. When it comes to psychopaths, there is no true self that is good. The true psychopath, like Dutroux, is rotten to the core and is an agent of Satan. It's turtles all the way down. That's an abyss that lots of people don't want to look into. Far easier to blame some conspiracy theory than face the truth.
 
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I don't understand what you mean.
Forgive my being unclear. I am rewriting my post to try to rectify that. I'll start with pointing to an essay that has gone viral: "WHAT IF THERE IS NO FUTURE?" (https://www.peterrussell.com/winf/index.php) (It is not an essay just about global warming! But rather other factors he sees at play in our demise). All I was saying was that there simply isn't time to look to Eastern traditions such as Yoga for help in our collective predicaments with Evil, especially given the tiny percentage of the population that even knows or cares about these traditions--maybe 1 %. NDEs are becoming more frequent and publicized; their overriding focus is on giving and receiving love. I am putting my eggs in that basket as a means for helping folks in the non-esoteric world to wake up.
 
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Forgive my being unclear. I am rewriting my post to try to rectify that. I'll start with pointing to an essay that has gone viral: "WHAT IF THERE IS NO FUTURE?" (https://www.peterrussell.com/winf/index.php) (It is not an essay just about global warming! But rather other factors he sees at play in our demise). All I was saying was that there simply isn't time to look to Eastern traditions such as Yoga for help in our collective predicaments with Evil, especially given the tiny percentage of the population that even knows or cares about these traditions--maybe 1 %. NDEs are becoming more frequent and publicized; their overriding focus is on giving and receiving love. I am putting my eggs in that basket as a means for helping folks in the non-esoteric world to wake up.
I’ve spent a lot of time trying to figure out (and utilize) the esoteric traditions, both East and West, and I keep coming back to the NDE, too. I have looked to the stories of NDErs for guidance and understanding and generally have found more satisfying answers there than elsewhere. The only candidate in the esoteric paths that I’ve found to be a true contender (for me) is Vedanta. I appreciate the hermetic path as well, though it appears much clumsier to utilize than Vedanta and there is much overlap. Needless to say, these are not paths for dummies or, dare I say, even those of average intelligence. They are highly cerebral and demand not only steady, unwavering attention and commitment, but a highly refined will and discipline. You have to almost be all the way there already, it seems, for these paths to take you that last bit of the way! They often also seem to be unsympathetic to the emotional life - which is what has driven me (and I imagine most people) into the spiritual pursuit in the first place.

It is the NDE that really speaks so well to the emotional self. I cannot say enough about how the NDEs of others and a related experience of my own has impacted my worldview over the last 20 years or so. Slowly at first, but more and more as time goes on. The values championed by the (core) NDE are indisputably wholesome and sanity-enforcing. A person could do a lot worse than looking to the NDE as a source of spiritual nourishment.
 
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And before that it was circulating through the magazines. I first saw hardcore porn with underage girls from my stepdad’s stash of magazines when I was about 10.
I use to think rapists, pedophiles and other type of sick behaviors were done by the outliers of society a rare occurrence compared to petty crimes. As you get older you realize how many people grew up abused and you had no idea.
I read an article last year from a college student who went undercover for a college paper on the dark web. What they found was shocking... forums of pedophiles both men and women and even a pedo handbook on how to grab children and groom them. Apparently more women are in on it then suspected in the psyche of general society. These weirdos have pedo parties as well, I couldn't sleep well after reading that. With media reporting abuse from churches, boy scouts, foster homes and schools my hate grew for humanity. I was tired of staring in to the abyss, humanity has been sick for quite awhile, I couldn't trust anyone when in the general public it left me isolated and angry, it seemed like anyone was capable of such horrific crimes, even the people who come of as seemingly nice
 
I use to think rapists, pedophiles and other type of sick behaviors were done by the outliers of society a rare occurrence compared to petty crimes. As you get older you realize how many people grew up abused and you had no idea.
I read an article last year from a college student who went undercover for a college paper on the dark web. What they found was shocking... forums of pedophiles both men and women and even a pedo handbook on how to grab children and groom them. Apparently more women are in on it then suspected in the psyche of general society. These weirdos have pedo parties as well, I couldn't sleep well after reading that. With media reporting abuse from churches, boy scouts, foster homes and schools my hate grew for humanity. I was tired of staring in to the abyss, humanity has been sick for quite awhile, I couldn't trust anyone when in the general public it left me isolated and angry, it seemed like anyone was capable of such horrific crimes, even the people who come of as seemingly nice
I go back to, it’s a culture of abuse. There’s varying degrees of abuse that we’ve been conditioned to and what’s crucial is each individual recognize the kind of culture that’s been created, like recognizing the problem, first you need to see there’s a problem. I think my experience at age 10 more reflects the modern age than it did at that time, now I’d guess most kids that age have seen it online. You’ve got the general cultural push that we should accept this, it’s natural and normal.

My hate for humanity doesn’t grow with this research, I guess I see it more like, what’s the point of hating lepers? Not that I see their abuse as some disease to be cured exactly, but more like how I work in the garden—you get rid of the destructive weeds when they become a nuisance. A few bad ones might be acceptable for a while, but when they take over, time to take action. So I see the issue more like, why do I see the weeds have taken over, but my neighbor seems to have adopted a real appreciation for them? I don’t hate my neighbor for liking the weeds, I just think he doesn’t understand how toxic the weeds are and how quickly they will take over the entire garden.
 
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This is the most comprehensive and detailed book I have seen on pedophila: A FREE DOWNLOAD, or at Kindle, your preference.

Pedophilia & Empire – Satan, Sodomy, & the Deep State

https://phibetaiota.net/2017/07/joachim-hagopian-pedophilia-empire/ SCROLL DOWN FOR THE FULL TABLE OF CONTENTS.

My problem with it is that author endorses the David Icke view that the global overlords are Reptilians, as does the book's sponsor Robert Steele. But the book's research seems useful despite that and despite the author's other personal political views (the parts I have read), and is unbelievably detailed.

P.S. There is a chapter on Belgium's pedophilia in the planning stage / or currently being written.
 
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This is the most detailed book I have seen on pedophila:

Pedophilia & Empire – Satan, Sodomy, & the Deep State

https://phibetaiota.net/2017/07/joachim-hagopian-pedophilia-empire/ SCROLL DOWN FOR THE FULL TABLE OF CONTENTS.

My problem with it is that author endorses the David Icke view that the global overlords are Reptilians. But the book's research seems unaffected by that (the parts I have read), and is unbelievably detailed.
Thanks, looks informative, appreciate the info.
 
Forgive my being unclear. I am rewriting my post to try to rectify that. I'll start with pointing to an essay that has gone viral: "WHAT IF THERE IS NO FUTURE?" (https://www.peterrussell.com/winf/index.php) (It is not an essay just about global warming! But rather other factors he sees at play in our demise). All I was saying was that there simply isn't time to look to Eastern traditions such as Yoga for help in our collective predicaments with Evil, especially given the tiny percentage of the population that even knows or cares about these traditions--maybe 1 %. NDEs are becoming more frequent and publicized; their overriding focus is on giving and receiving love. I am putting my eggs in that basket as a means for helping folks in the non-esoteric world to wake up.
Just finished reading the Russell essay. Don’t know much about Russell, and it’s hard for me to thoroughly assess his argument about the future changing at an exponential rate and taking us to a rapid end, however, it sure seems plausible to me. My feeling as an older youngish person has long been that I came to this party late. I have a lot of older relatives that got to retire with pensions at 55 and have been traveling here and there for the last couple decades just eating at restaurants and seeing the sights. That’s never going to happen for me. I’ve worked in several places that had people on the payroll that were going to get a pension because they got there a decade or so before me, but I was offered some weak ass 401k plan or financial counseling, etc.

Anyway, what I mean to say is, I have conflicting feelings about an “end of the world is imminent” narrative. On the one hand, it’s heartbreaking. There is the feeling that things could be so much better, *should* be so much better than they are - and that our species just couldn’t gets its moral and emotional head out of its own ass in time to be able to properly wield the technological power and resources we squandered so stupidly and to our own detriment (and to some few people’s great profit). It’s like we had enough to go around and then some in perpetuity but a couple power elites decided to blow it all on themselves and their cronies for a weekend blast instead. Unfortunately it’s the rest of us that get the hangover (the possible end of the world scenario and decreasing resources we have to kill each other over, apparently, in class warfare). That’s one reason I’m skeptical of the end of the world- it’s too easy. In some ways many of us could welcome it as a way out of this mess. Thats the silver lining in it that makes me doubt it.

More likely we’ll have some increasingly nightmarish situation where the status quo continues in a worsening way - maybe where only wealthy elites can buy clean drinking water and nourishing food while the rest have to ingest poison and become sickly and left to die. A few people will remain and the infrastructure will become inoperable and humanity will survive but in much smaller numbers.
 
Yeah sure. If the main stream media says so it must be true. Why they were reporting that Supreme Court Judge Brett Kavanaugh was the leader of a high school rape gang, drugging and raping girls with his friends for two years straight.
Wow. So I mention mainstream sources and this strawman is where you go? I agree that the Kavanaugh hearings were ridiculous. But this is a far, far cry from the 450 victims of Jimmy Savile and strong evidence of covering it up. In your opinion, do Savile act alone?

It seems that you're denying that any case of SRA ever exists, except perhaps by a lone person. I think this is an example of black and white thinking.

You say there is no evidence. But you also ignored the documents that exist in the Finders case that found specifically satanic stuff. You're ignoring the many people that come forward. You can say that you don't believe any of the evidence, but to state no evidence is wrong.

As for what should the Catholic Church do (or any other institution). How about investigating all claims thoroughly? I recognize that it is very difficult in situations where there is one accuser especially after time has passed. But so many of the cases aren't this. How about putting some protections in place, i.e. having other people around such accused people when they're with kids? Use hidden video cameras. The church should cooperate with the law. Secondly, in the spirit of their religion they should want to get these sick people out. But that is not what we've seen them do at all. Even Cardinal Pell, third man from the top is convicted of pedophilia! Your lone wolf pedophile theory doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
 
Wow. So I mention mainstream sources and this strawman is where you go? I agree that the Kavanaugh hearings were ridiculous. But this is a far, far cry from the 450 victims of Jimmy Savile and strong evidence of covering it up. In your opinion, do Savile act alone?

It seems that you're denying that any case of SRA ever exists, except perhaps by a lone person. I think this is an example of black and white thinking.

You say there is no evidence. But you also ignored the documents that exist in the Finders case that found specifically satanic stuff. You're ignoring the many people that come forward. You can say that you don't believe any of the evidence, but to state no evidence is wrong.

As for what should the Catholic Church do (or any other institution). How about investigating all claims thoroughly? I recognize that it is very difficult in situations where there is one accuser especially after time has passed. But so many of the cases aren't this. How about putting some protections in place, i.e. having other people around such accused people when they're with kids? Use hidden video cameras. The church should cooperate with the law. Secondly, in the spirit of their religion they should want to get these sick people out. But that is not what we've seen them do at all. Even Cardinal Pell, third man from the top is convicted of pedophilia! Your lone wolf pedophile theory doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Dude, your problem is that you think unproven conspiracy theories are real and that you know a truth that most people aren't hip to. The finders case was dropped for lack of evidence. Like 911 trutherism adherants, you cannot be convinced that lack of real evidence beyond your internet "cognoscenti" actually eans something.

And I never said there aren't pedophile rings. I said that the world governments aren't controlled by pedophiles. of course there are pedophile rings. I said so. I said that where there is a demand, someone will supply.

But the extreme che crap you're peddling, like Lucas' crap, has poor Baccarat hating humanity. You are part of the problem, You want to demoralize everyone. The problem is not as systemic as you want to think is.

My god man, if you and Alex were to be believed, we live in a society where our government kills presidents, blows up buildings and crashes airplanes and kills thousand of its own citizens and is raping children and worshiping Satan and on and on. You're sick and need help. You believe paranoid camp fire stories. The irony is that you are aiding the spreading of dark lies that are designed in the origin to harm the souls of people.
 
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Dude, your problem is that you think unproven conspiracy theories are real and that you know a truth that most people aren't hip to. The finders case was dropped for lack of evidence. Like 911 trutherism adherants, you cannot be convinced that lack of real evidence beyond your internet "cognoscenti" actually eans something.

And I never said there aren't pedophile rings. I said that the world governments aren't controlled by pedophiles. of course there are pedophile rings. I said so. I said that where there is a demand, someone will supply.

But the extreme che crap you're peddling, like Lucas' crap, has poor Baccarat hating humanity. You are part of the problem, You want to demoralize everyone. The problem is not as systemic as you want to think is.

My god man, if you and Alex were to be believed, we live in a society where our government kills presidents, blows up buildings and crashes airplanes and kills thousand of its own citizens and is raping children and worshiping Satan and on and on. You're sick and need help. You believe paranoid camp fire stories. The irony is that you are aiding the spreading of dark lies that are designed in the origin to harm the souls of people.
LOL I'm learning to love again, baby steps but I will get there. Reading this stuff constantly will do that to you. I was on auto pilot
 
LOL I'm learning to love again, baby steps but I will get there. Reading this stuff constantly will do that to you. I was on auto pilot
Good.
Hey man, I'm all about peace and love and raising each other up. There's enough negativity in each of our daily lives to sit around getting bent out of shape over things that aren't real.

Historian Philip Jenkins explored how heated topics such as the Franklin allegations, whether or not they are worthy of attention or credible on their own merits, are seized by political opportunists for their own purposes.
http://www.canselv.dk/w-omtale.htm

Why can't Alex interview someone who tells more fun stories? Like "coming up on Skeptiko I interview Dr. Elf who explores the reality of Santa Clause". I mean, there are plenty of data points around Santa Clause's existence. How can anyone deny the reality of all those presents on Christmas day? Sure the lizard alien hybrids want to distort our reality by putting fake Santas in malls, but there are many children who have had encounters with what they report to be real Santas. And how about cross cultural present receiving experiences, like Hanuka? In cultures all over the world there is a gift giving figure. We just can't overlook this evidence!
 
Next are you going to tell me that Epstein killed himself? That he wasn't involved in anything more than getting his rocks off with underage girls? No blackmail? No intelligence connections? Prince Andrew can't sweat? Bill Clinton was simply a bad judge of character in flying on Epstein's plan 26 times?

Yes, you are correct, I do think some unproven conspiracy theories are real. That is how theories work. Not all, but certainly some. (I too am leaning towards Q being a limited hangout psyop)

The CIA tortured people in all kinds of ways, including dosing them up with LSD and electroshocking them day after day after day. The CIA overthrows governments installing brutal dictators just so they support American businesses and government policy. (Mossadegh in Iran as one example.) The CIA sprayed chemicals by air over American cities (Operation Large Area Coverage). Are these unproven conspiracy theories? No wait, they're all public knowledge. But people like you laughed them off, insulted people like me and others, back in the years before the public documentation was revealed. Before it was allowed to be accepted.

This alone is dark, evil stuff. I do not want to demoralize people at all. I think looking at this stuff and finding out the incredibly horrible things people engage in incredibly tough. I've certainly had down times coming to terms with it. But I do not hate humanity.

Denying it exists only allows the problems to continue.

I do not know the answer for how systemic pedophilia or SRA is, like you claim to. But I damn well know that corruption is systemic. No, I do not believe it should all be torn down.

First, we need to be able to theorize, to talk about it without being called "sick" and "part of the problem," or this stuff belittled in referring to Santa Claus, in order to work towards making it better.
 
Next are you going to tell me that Epstein killed himself? That he wasn't involved in anything more than getting his rocks off with underage girls? No blackmail? No intelligence connections? Prince Andrew can't sweat? Bill Clinton was simply a bad judge of character in flying on Epstein's plan 26 times?

Yes, you are correct, I do think some unproven conspiracy theories are real. That is how theories work. Not all, but certainly some. (I too am leaning towards Q being a limited hangout psyop)

The CIA tortured people in all kinds of ways, including dosing them up with LSD and electroshocking them day after day after day. The CIA overthrows governments installing brutal dictators just so they support American businesses and government policy. (Mossadegh in Iran as one example.) The CIA sprayed chemicals by air over American cities (Operation Large Area Coverage). Are these unproven conspiracy theories? No wait, they're all public knowledge. But people like you laughed them off, insulted people like me and others, back in the years before the public documentation was revealed. Before it was allowed to be accepted.

This alone is dark, evil stuff. I do not want to demoralize people at all. I think looking at this stuff and finding out the incredibly horrible things people engage in incredibly tough. I've certainly had down times coming to terms with it. But I do not hate humanity.

Denying it exists only allows the problems to continue.

I do not know the answer for how systemic pedophilia or SRA is, like you claim to. But I damn well know that corruption is systemic. No, I do not believe it should all be torn down.

First, we need to be able to theorize, to talk about it without being called "sick" and "part of the problem," or this stuff belittled in referring to Santa Claus, in order to work towards making it better.
Epstein was murdered; which is neither here nor there.

The finders was a little cult of very sick people. The FBI reports that were released under FOIA and are used by conspiracy theorists to prove the CIA and Illluminati were behind the cult are taken out of context by idiots. It's clear that the reports are describing what the FBI was told - and followed up - by various sources; including politicians that had weaponized the discovery of the little cult. In an investigation all kind of false leads are offered and need to be drilled into. A lead is just a lead. It's not a material fact.

What alone is dark stuff is an ignoramus with limited ability to reason and with paranoid leanings spreading sinister rumors to scare people and make them feel bad about their society and themselves - and to glorify himself in a weird and dishonest way.
 
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