Bigelow, UFOs and Communications with the Dead

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  1. Far.From.Here

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    Been listening to the paracast this last week. Interesting show for beginner to medium learners of the UFO phenomena. The hosts are pretty skeptical and the the long format (2.5 hours per show) allows them to really cover a lot of ground with each guest.

    My ears perked up today listening to a show with UFO old timer Don Berliner. He was talking about when Bigelow first started funding some umbrella UFO research organizations. Don Berliner belonged to one that was mostly composed of nuts and bolts guys and Bigelow irritated them because he wanted them to research the connections between UFOs and consciousness surviving death. They were all confused and pretty much ended their relationship shortly after that. The podcast also mentioned that any calls from people about UFO sitings received by the FAA are routed to a Bigelow company. Bigelow also was siphoning the most convincing MUFON reports. Not sure if that is still going on. Of course he also owns the Skinwalker ranch. During the interview it was revealed that Bigelow lost his son when the son was quite young and is keenly interested in communications with the dead. Interesting.

    Anyway. Here is the Don Berliner interview. Bigelow comes up around the 1 hour point. Better to download this podcast and play in something like VLC so that you can skip the commercials.

    http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/now-playing-august-10-2014-don-berliner/
     
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    What do you mean by "siphoning"? From what I understand, Bigelow asked for the FAA's sitings reports to be forwarded to his people, because the FAA didn't want to deal with them. Though I have not listened to the podcast yet. Thanks for the link!
     
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    As far as I know Bigelow doesn't share the data once he acquires it. What I've heard hinted at a couple of times now is a kind of hierarchy of data. Kind of like you need to be a certain level of investigator within MUFON to see all the reports. I don't know if Bigelow still funds the rapid response team for MUFON, but I'm sure that would be similar. He would gain access to the data and would allow others to share certain aspects of it, perhaps. They also recently talked about how even some individual investigators, the few that are left, are starting to go "underground" and not willing to do the circuit of all the shows and such because the entire field has been inundated with crap and noise. And of course back to Bigelow, who knows what goes on at Skinwalker Ranch. I guess a couple of books have come out written by folks who have worked there.

    I just find it intriguing that one of the richest guys in the world is dead set on exploring the paranormal, the afterlife and UFOs and most people haven't a clue what this guy is doing or what he knows. In some ways it is related in my mind to the link I posted last week about the wealthy dropping LSD. What are the global elite really up to?
     
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    I hadn't heard of any of these people so I searched for Bigelow and found the following:


    http://www.rense.com/ufo/bigelow.htm
    Robert Bigelow Gives First Interview About UFO Pursuits
    By Zack Van Eyck
    Deseret News Staff Writer www.desnews.com
    8-10-98


    LAS VEGAS, Nev. Two years ago, Terry and Gwen Sherman were trying to unload a 480-acre Uintah County cattle ranch they said was rife with UFO activity and other bizarre occurrences.

    Millionaire philanthropist Robert T. Bigelow came to the rescue, buying the ranch and moving in a team of researchers and surveillance equipment.

    Bigelow, 54, a Las Vegas native who amassed a fortune in real estate development, had for years funded private research projects on the far fringe of mainstream science.

    The Sherman ranch was exactly what he was looking for " a secluded location with a history of phenomenal events where his nonprofit National Institute for Discovery Science could gather extraordinary data.

    As a condition of the purchase, however, the Shermans agreed to keep quiet about what they reportedly had witnessed " the mutilated and disappearing cattle, UFOs the size of football fields, circular doorways that appeared in midair and floating balls of light that allegedly incinerated the family dogs.

    Bigelow and his staff also dodged media inquiries, saying public knowledge about their observations would be premature and not in keeping with es- tablished scientific methods. Even today, two years later, Bigelow will not discuss specific incidents that have occurred on the ranch and the surrounding area.

    But the strange airborne activity and unusual animal deaths have continued, Bigelow confirmed in a lengthy, face-to-face chat with the Deseret News the first interview he has granted to discuss his regional pursuit of aerial phenomena.

    "We wouldn't be there just for the weather," he said.

    When the impressive team of scientists Bigelow has assembled can say something definitive about what is going on in the skies around Fort Duchesne, Randlett and beyond, they will, Bigelow promised on the NIDS Web site at www.accessnv.com/nids.

    "We know so little in terms of what the overall scope of these phenomena is all about that it's just embarrassing to try to make conclusions at this point," Bigelow said.

    And it's still too early, he said, to determine whether the curious activity poses any threat to Uinta Basin residents.

    "Should people be fearful of anything from NIDS? Absolutely not. But I think the jury is way, way, way out and a long way from coming back on whether or not we know enough to say that they shouldn't have something to fear from the phenomena," he said, then added somewhat humorously, "We haven't had any of our staff eaten or anybody else that we know of."

    Bigelow said the National Institute for Discovery Science needs the help of Uinta Basin ranchers and residents. He asks anyone who discovers an unusual animal death or spots an unidentified object in the sky to call NIDS at 1-888-433-6500. When an animal mutilation is reported, NIDS veterinarians can respond to perform a necropsy.

    "It will cost him (a rancher) nothing to try to find out what happened to his animal," Bigelow said.

    The recent interview in Las Vegas was an intriguing departure for Bigelow, a confident and articulate self-made man who has kept the lowest of low profiles over the years " prompting some paranormal researchers to suggest he has a hidden agenda or government connections.

    Bigelow said he retained a private persona while conducting his own research into the UFO field primarily to protect his sources. But now, with NIDS sponsoring an international essay contest to pique the mainstream science community's interest in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, the time is right to assume a more public role " even if he doesn't allow his photograph to be taken.

    As for the government, Bigelow said his staff has no evidence the government has any interest in the Sherman ranch or similar "hot spots" NIDS has investigated in New Mexico and Colorado.

    People shouldn't be worried that he is part of a covert government group, Bigelow said, but instead should ask themselves why the government, politicians, religious institutions, educators, scientists and the media are not taking UFOs and the possible existence of extraterrestrials more seriously.

    Bigelow, in fact, said one reason he spends more than a million dollars a year on NIDS research is to do what he feels the government and other institutions should be doing " preparing America and the rest of the world for eventual ET contact. That revelation, if confirmed suddenly and dramatically, Bigelow believes, could have a devastating psychosocial impact on global civilization.

    "There are aspects of this phenomena that are going to be disturbing to the average person," he said. "It's more complex, more diverse than I think is commonly recognized.

    "We've been exposed to some things that are significantly different than the traditional body of information that you read about or that you watch (on TV, movies), and that increases the dynamics, the scope of what has to be digested."

    Bigelow's interest in the paranormal stems from his youth. At the time, Las Vegas was, by comparison, a sleepy little hamlet. There wasn't much for locals to do in the 1950s except drive down the street for an ice cream cone after dinner.

    Off on one of those evening cruises, Bigelow's grandparents had a close encounter that not only had a profound impact on them, but " when he was told the story two years later " strongly affected their 10-year-old grandson.

    "This ball of light that appeared to be on flames was coming right at them," Bigelow recalled. "They swerved the car off the road in a pretty dramatic way and kind of ducked, waiting for this impact and there was no impact. Instead, it made a 90-degree turn. It came right at them and went voooom " it just went the opposite direction.

    "It not only shook them up because they thought they were about to die, but then it gave them something to think about for weeks, months and years after."

    Ditto for their grandson.

    Bigelow retained his curiosity about that event and other Vegas-area UFO sightings for three decades while building his real estate empire. In 1988, with money to burn, he began an intense, personal quest for an answer to the question: "Are we alone in the universe?"

    That led to the formation of NIDS, established in '95 to investigate both aerial phenomena and another of his interests " the survival of consciousness after bodily death.

    A year later, word of the Shermans' plight brought Bigelow to the Uinta Basin, where hundreds of UFO sightings have been cataloged by former Roosevelt schoolteacher Joseph "Junior" Hicks, beginning in the early '50s.

    NIDS isn't likely to leave the area anytime soon, either " as long as research can be conducted without interference. Bigelow and Colm Kelleher, NIDS' deputy administrator, worry that too much publicity may attract undesirable attention.

    "If you had a tailgate, football-stadium kind of atmosphere out there, and everybody's out there with hot dogs and hamburgers, and they're barbecuing and waiting for the UFOs to come down, I don't picture it (continuation of the activity) is going to happen."
     
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    This is a better video.
     
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    George Knapp mentioned on his last C2C show that the Skinwalker Ranch was just sold. He also said there would be interesting news about it soon.

    I'm guessing it's being made into a theme park. A fun place for the UFO crowd to hang out. Or how about a bed and breakfast?

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    Looks like Bigelow sold it to a holding company that he happens to own.

    http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/
     
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    Robert Bigelow on 60 Minutes:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bigelow-aerospace-founder-says-commercial-world-will-lead-in-space/

     
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    After studying UFOs for 30 years...

    I posit that Bigelow is a Military-Industrial-Complex welfare queen who carved out a niche playing "UFO Kook" to assist the Deep State in concealing advanced electro-magnetic (like anti-gravity) technologies which would crash the petroleum-based Global economy if allowed into the free market.
     
  15. That's certainly one view.
     
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    It's the Occam's Razor best explanation I can come up with that takes into account and explains: the weird stuff we see flying around, Catherine Austin Fitts' missing trillions, Electric Universe, Petro-Dollar recycling, Rendlesham Forrest, the Disclosure Project, FedGov disinformation like Blue Book, et al.
     
  17. I guess there could be another occam's razor that says if you have an increasing number of super rich, eventually one of them is going to blow a huge wad of cash exploring anomalous phenomena. Your theory negates any credibility that George Knapp has developed over the years. I'm not sure that it makes sense to say everyone is either a CIA schill or being duped by a CIA shill.

    Could there be a second society? One that has developed technology far in advance of our own? Yes. I think that is a possibility.

    Obviously your post didn't represent the entire nuance of your thoughts on the phenomena. But I tend to look at UFOs less as a nuts and bolts technology hidden from us by the elders and more like one cog in a machine that includes everything from after death communication to, yes, bigfoot, to everything we call psi, etc. My tendency leans toward viewing UFOs as possible "mind machines" that can traverse "dimensions" or even possibly time. It is a fanciful theory, but probably no more unlikely yours.

    I think there is a dark state that knows something. It doesn't have anything to do with the president obviously, but the military industrial complex is most certainly involved. I tend to think they are chasing the tiger's tail in an effort to understand and perhaps wield some of the technology.

    You and I know "UFOs" are way too huge a subject to approach in a forum post. But interesting how different people can study it and come up with different approaches.
     
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    http://scotthelmer.com/blog-posts/2017/06/09



    http://www.hunttheskinwalker.com/about
     
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    Yeah,the Skinwalker Ranch has always intrigued me. The sightings and phenomenon around that area is just bizarre. I think it was George Knapp who said (in one of the clips here) that many of the things that happened there, and were reported on, defied all sense of logic, rhyme or reason. Like it was some sort of a `trickster.playground´.
     
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    Did you see where they seem to be offering opportunities to do investigations on the ranch now?

    http://www.hunttheskinwalker.com/get-involved/
     
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