Bruce Fenton, A Better Human Origin Story |429|

I listened to your conversation with Bruce Fenton with interest. To pursue a more biologically based theory of human hybridization I suggest you explore the work of Dr Eugene McCarthy.

Dr Eugene M. McCarthy at macroevolution.net is a PhD geneticist. He is the author of Avian Hybrids of the World. He is an expert in vertebrate hybridization.

On his website he has a PDF copy of his second book, On the Origins of New Forms of Life A New Theory in which he discusses his hypothesis of pig/chimp hybridization in great detail as the origin of human beings.

My undergraduate degree was in anthropology; primate development and comparative anatomy were a part of the curriculum. Similarities between humans and other primates were discussed. There was little discussion of some of the great differences. McCarthy very clearly discusses human differences from other primates in a way ignored in physical anthropology but very clearly implicates hybridization with pigs.

I suggest that his work complements Fenton’s in an interesting way.

Michael Beal
thx for this MB... and for the email. my big takeaway from this was that hybridization in nature is much more commonplace than we generally accept. is this correct? what else compliments/contradicts Bruce's theory?
 
Keep in mind this is just information that was included in the message, I am not saying people must believe it because I can't provide specific objective evidence. We do know that many people alive today claim to be 'starseeds' or aliens in human bodies and among those are some saying they are reptillians, cat people, greys, Pleiadians and many others. That does mesh precisely with what has been said in this information. The information suggests that the human form/life offers enlightenment potential that does not normally exist for some of the STS entities in this sector of space. This seems to mesh with Tibetan Buddhist claims the human vehicle is the best for making progress and even gods and demons are jealous of us and wish for reincarnation in human forms.
interesting... and I'm open to this... but at the same time I'm immediately suspicious of any "wisdom" that reinforces this egocentric idea that we are at the center of everything and at a special time in history.

this is something I like about yr theory. we are just one of a zillion ways consciousness can manifest... 2019 is just tiny point in a massive timeline.
 
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As I have stated here before, I gave up on research in the field of ufology after a year or so, because it was clear to me that the field is a labyrinth of disinformation and deception. I looked up Richard Doty just now and learned that it was he who provided much of the disinformation-- stories of UFO crashes and secret UFO management groups, such as the fabled MJ-12--which became the subject of a large amount of books, movies, video games, television shows et alia. In my own research I learned that the tricksters at play can be either humans or interdimensional spirits or the two acting in conjuncntion. Often dark interdimensional entities will pose as ETs--as Star Nations-- here to help humanity. IMO anyone who sets out with the intention to receive downloads needs to rigorously invoke protection and gatekeeping to ensure quality control of what is received. When downloads occur spontaneously--even with a large group--great care must be taken to test their validity. If you interview Valerie, Alex, I ask you to bear all this in mind.
Alex you asked for elaboration of my original post about counterfeited downloads. I did comply with this post, #134, which Bruce himself liked, but I am not sure you saw it.
 
The evidence shows that the "eternal oneness of all" does not exist. It is merely a religious belief.

If it would be possible to dissolve into some cosmic slime ball, perhaps the soul wouldn't be completely destroyed, but it would still only exist in a vegetative state.
Oneness is only a religious belief? That’s not true at all. Oneness and interconnectedness are one of the most common motifs of NDEs, profound OBEs, channeled info, spiritually transformative experiences etc etc. Its one of the core principles we hear again and again in these accounts.
 
As I have stated here before, I gave up on research in the field of ufology after a year or so, because it was clear to me that the field is a labyrinth of disinformation and deception. I looked up Richard Doty just now and learned that it was he who provided much of the disinformation-- stories of UFO crashes and secret UFO management groups, such as the fabled MJ-12--which became the subject of a large amount of books, movies, video games, television shows et alia. In my own research I learned that the tricksters at play can be either humans or interdimensional spirits or the two acting in conjuncntion. Often dark interdimensional entities will pose as ETs--as Star Nations-- here to help humanity. IMO anyone who sets out with the intention to receive downloads needs to rigorously invoke protection and gatekeeping to ensure quality control of what is received. When downloads occur spontaneously--even with a large group--great care must be taken to test their validity. If you interview Valerie, Alex, I ask you to bear all this in mind.
thx for this. I'm aware of Doty... excellent example. Do you have any specific references to "Star Nations" deceptions. I also get a little peeved with the term "trickster" when referring to deeply dark malevolent beings like this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CBAX1T...MItY2P_YKw5QIViB-tBh1kgQoBEAAYASAAEgICm_D_BwE
 
thx for this. I'm aware of Doty... excellent example. Do you have any specific references to "Star Nations" deceptions. I also get a little peeved with the term "trickster" when referring to deeply dark malevolent beings like this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CBAX1T...MItY2P_YKw5QIViB-tBh1kgQoBEAAYASAAEgICm_D_BwE
There was a huge Yahoo ufology forum headed by a Ph.D. and subscribing to the narrative that a group of Star Nations was here to help our planet. The latter were eventually exposed as dark interdimensional energy beings who had mind controlled the forum members, and were acting in collaboration with a deep state military cabal. The group dispersed, many with PTSD. The agenda seems to have been to divert spiritual warriors from constructive service in legitimate areas. I could not agree more about the usage of the word trickster.
 
Oneness is only a religious belief? That’s not true at all. Oneness and interconnectedness are one of the most common motifs of NDEs, profound OBEs, channeled info, spiritually transformative experiences etc etc. Its one of the core principles we hear again and again in these accounts.
Some materialists can't accept the idea of personal survival after death. When they cannot deny the fact that psi exists etc. they come up with theories like super psi or oneness.

If we are all fated to merge into an anonymous collective mass, then there is nothing to strive for, to hope to attain or to hope to avoid - nothing to value or disvalue. Then we're faced with the depressing and (almost literally) dispiriting conclusion that nothing means anything, and there are no values.
Now, a thing can be depressing and still be true - but if a given line of thought leads us to a nihilism, we ought to retrace our steps and make sure we haven't gone off track. Nihilism, after all, is a moral, intellectual, and spiritual dead end.
Michael Prescott's Blog - The simple life

Some NDErs may experience "oneness", but it doesn't mean that it is reality for all of us. NDEs are subjective experiences and if you believe that "we are all one" etc. you might as well think that we are all going to hell because some NDErs have experiences of hell. Moreover, those NDErs who talk about "oneness" usually tell that they retained their self and all of them were the same individuals before and after the experience.

Channeled information is unreliable.

Experiences of out of body explorers like William Buhlman suggest that the so called "oneness" is really formless existence. There is good description of what I mean in this free book in chapter 2 by Luis Minero. Page 38, "Self-awareness".
CONSCIOUSNESS BEYOND THE BODY EVIDENCE AND REFLECTIONS

The best survival evidence (mental mediumship, reincarnation and apparitions) all point in the same direction: there is personal survival after death. Not some nightmare existence as a part of some amorphous mass.
 
Thanks for the post, Raimo. The word, Oneness (as you seem to use it and thus I am assuming a loose definition you might hold) isn't what I perceive the word to point to. The understanding I have (and direct experiences I have had) is from a POV that cannot exist and thus reveals the paradox and mystery behind being and Oneness.

The word is a pointer. The experience provides direct knowledge though, the same degree of intensity of "knowing" during a true "Turiya" type embracement of Oneness is rarely continuously experienced ever after, though there have been cases it has and this is called Turiyatita. Note I capitalize words as a form of showing respect for what they point to and for no other reason. I don't "do" religion.
 
There was a huge Yahoo ufology forum headed by a Ph.D. and subscribing to the narrative that a group of Star Nations was here to help our planet. The latter were eventually exposed as dark interdimensional energy beings who had mind controlled the forum members, and were acting in collaboration with a deep state military cabal. The group dispersed, many with PTSD. The agenda seems to have been to divert spiritual warriors from constructive service in legitimate areas. I could not agree more about the usage of the word trickster.
Is it common for Alex to lose track? Bless his busy heart. If he does not reply to this I will delete it along with the two previous replications. A question of diminishing returns.
 
Is it common for Alex to lose track? Bless his busy heart. If he does not reply to this I will delete it along with the two previous replications. A question of diminishing returns.
Please, lonevoice, consider not deleting your posts. Anyway, I feel lucky to have read them, so I got a new thought about PTSD.

I had been asking myself for a long time why trauma therapy was an ever growing sector within the alternative and mainstream health and medicine business. At the beginning it was about torture victims, later - if you listened to the words of systemic therapy and family constellations people - almost everybody seemed to be traumatized. Now so many things are linked to trauma (like a lack of fish oil, a disturbed gut microbiome, parents who had been involved in acts of war, being victim in some way) that, indeed, it looks like almost everybody must be traumatized.

To me, your specific hint at non-human forces is one more piece of the bigger picture puzzle.
 
Is it common for Alex to lose track? Bless his busy heart. If he does not reply to this I will delete it along with the two previous replications. A question of diminishing returns.
I hope he is able to respond as well as I not only think your question is important, in the last several days I have reflected upon an unusual increase in "unexplainable" and worrisome experiences (that have impacted my wife and step-daughter as well as myself in very dark ways)... and have begun to open my mind again that demonics is involved.

Note also, I went back and read all your posts in this thread, lonevoice, and discovered a response I offered just 12 days ago which I am wondering if I have been foolishly perhaps, provoking that which I probably shouldn't have.
 
There was a huge Yahoo ufology forum headed by a Ph.D. and subscribing to the narrative that a group of Star Nations was here to help our planet. The latter were eventually exposed as dark interdimensional energy beings who had mind controlled the forum members, and were acting in collaboration with a deep state military cabal. The group dispersed, many with PTSD. The agenda seems to have been to divert spiritual warriors from constructive service in legitimate areas. I could not agree more about the usage of the word trickster.
has anyone written on this? I would love to read more.
 
Thanks for the post, Raimo. The word, Oneness (as you seem to use it and thus I am assuming a loose definition you might hold) isn't what I perceive the word to point to. The understanding I have (and direct experiences I have had) is from a POV that cannot exist and thus reveals the paradox and mystery behind being and Oneness.
totally agree... and I like the way you put it. It's kind of hard to argue against oneness :) and it's interesting that prescott would do so. I mean, if we're not biological robots in a meaningless universe, and if consciousness is fundamental, then I don't know how you get away from oneness.

at the same time, I get that I'm in the middle (i.e. consumed with non-oneness stuff) 99.9% of the time. my sincere and earnest 24/7 goal is to get that number down a bit. I'm shooting for the mid-90s now, but I hear people say that it can go much lower with a little more effort/non-effort/when-my-kids-grow-up :)
 
I hope he is able to respond as well as I not only think your question is important, in the last several days I have reflected upon an unusual increase in "unexplainable" and worrisome experiences (that have impacted my wife and step-daughter as well as myself in very dark ways)... and have begun to open my mind again that demonics is involved.

Note also, I went back and read all your posts in this thread, lonevoice, and discovered a response I offered just 12 days ago which I am wondering if I have been foolishly perhaps, provoking that which I probably shouldn't have.
hey sam, what did you think of episode 427 with claire? I thought she had a great perspective on these negative forces and how they might fit in the grander scheme of things... and more importantly, how transcending / transmuting them might be part of our path.
 
has anyone written on this? I would love to read more.
No, the leader is still under mind control., making claims that are truly embarrassing. His many previous followers are presumably keeping a low profile./ have taken cover. (BTW he used to tout a connection with Mary Rodwell's work on star seeds, but that link has disappeared.) The point I am stressing is that ETs --or in this case dark interdimensional beings beings posing as ETs--can take over human minds. AND THEY CAN HOOD WINK WHOLE GROUPS. So pls be very wary in trusting Varerie's input. How self-serving for nefarious ETs to imply our earliest origins were Reptilian. How utterly demoralizing.
 
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totally agree... and I like the way you put it. It's kind of hard to argue against oneness :) and it's interesting that prescott would do so. I mean, if we're not biological robots in a meaningless universe, and if consciousness is fundamental, then I don't know how you get away from oneness.

at the same time, I get that I'm in the middle (i.e. consumed with non-oneness stuff) 99.9% of the time. my sincere and earnest 24/7 goal is to get that number down a bit. I'm shooting for the mid-90s now, but I hear people say that it can go much lower with a little more effort/non-effort/when-my-kids-grow-up :)
What is the difference between biological robots in a meaningless universe and mindless parts of blob in a meaningless universe? Oneness is a "spiritual" version of materialism. Or perhaps I should call it materialism in disguise.

If we are not biological robots in a meaningless universe, and if consciousness is fundamental, and if the data from psychical research is valid, then the logical conclusion is personal survival after death.
 
What is the difference between biological robots in a meaningless universe and mindless parts of blob in a meaningless universe? Oneness is a "spiritual" version of materialism. Or perhaps I should call it materialism in disguise.

If we are not biological robots in a meaningless universe, and if consciousness is fundamental, and if the data from psychical research is valid, then the logical conclusion is personal survival after death.
All of what you state in the second part of your post is that which I personally hope is true and which I can certainly imagine being true within consciousness as an infinite oneness. The thing you seem to be struggling with is the possibility (and in my opinion, the probability) that individualized expressions of that one consciousness cannot "appear" (arise) from more than one level of being.

If you come at the thing from another direction,

I (you, each of us) appear to perceive our experiences anchored from perception of a physical body vehicle that experiences its existence in a "hard physical" (apparently contained) "reality" (some refer to as the material realm or physicality) yet, based on testimony by many (NDEs, OBEs, etc.) there appears to be an unbroken continuum of that individuated experience that is unanchored to the physical body vehicle.

All of this can (and IMO is) happening within a field of consciousness within which my sense of individuation arises regardless which realm within grand reality my individuation is anchored. And it is my sense (and just opinion) that underlying all this is an inseparable, unbroken, infinite field I call consciousness. By nature of the adjectives I applied, this points to oneness. Its not meant in any way to resemble "new age styled "oneness" baloney. It is possible that science may never resolve the matter as far as "what makes consciousness" but for science to ignore the possibilities, and then avoid the potential positive advancements in creating and experiencing more beneficial and more fulfilling life experiences that can be achieved by opening the mind to it all... seeing how by simply taking that one first step, one begins to experience all the personal confirmations one needs in the form of synchronicities, paranormal experiences, psi experiences, NDEs OBEs and on and on.

In addition to those experiences is a particular experience known by many names but which I like to call, direct apprehension. That experience leaves one with the sense its all consciousness and consciousness is unified (one).
 
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hey sam, what did you think of episode 427 with claire? I thought she had a great perspective on these negative forces and how they might fit in the grander scheme of things... and more importantly, how transcending / transmuting them might be part of our path.
I moved the original post I made here to the thread dedicated to Skeptiko 427 with Claire Broad.

(here)
 
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