Bruce Fenton, A Better Human Origin Story |429|

So pls be very wary in trusting Varerie's input. How self-serving for nefarious ETs to imply our earliest origins were Reptilian. How utterly demoralizing.
I think it is safe to say that when the claims are especially extraordinary and profound, people will instinctively tend towards being disbelieving without sufficient supporting evidence. Not everyone will be suitably hesitant, of course, there are people open to believing very big claims on the least of evidence possible. What is our earliest origin? If it involves evolution from single celled organisms than our origin is there, or with any party that potentially engineered and seeded DNA. If evolving organisms were meddled with by ET once during the last 4.5 billion years, or perhaps various times, then we are the result of everything that happened during this huge span of time. I don't think anyone can claim any one party single-handedly created modern humans. If some people feel demoralized by this possibility, so be it, I simply care that we get to the truth of the matter - whether that involve angels, demons or any parade of strange otherworldly characters. We are more than this body and as such no beings engineered 'me' irrespective of what history my form has or the code that it is based upon. People should not 'trust' but consider exploring this information and the offered evidence. Hopefully that is a helpful answer.
 
I think it is safe to say that when the claims are especially extraordinary and profound, people will instinctively tend towards being disbelieving without sufficient supporting evidence. Not everyone will be suitably hesitant, of course, there are people open to believing very big claims on the least of evidence possible. What is our earliest origin? If it involves evolution from single celled organisms than our origin is there, or with any party that potentially engineered and seeded DNA. If evolving organisms were meddled with by ET once during the last 4.5 billion years, or perhaps various times, then we are the result of everything that happened during this huge span of time. I don't think anyone can claim any one party single-handedly created modern humans. If some people feel demoralized by this possibility, so be it, I simply care that we get to the truth of the matter - whether that involve angels, demons or any parade of strange otherworldly characters. We are more than this body and as such no beings engineered 'me' irrespective of what history my form has or the code that it is based upon. People should not 'trust' but consider exploring this information and the offered evidence. Hopefully that is a helpful answer.
Are you familiar with Bashar? How does your information check out with his?
 
Late to the party. Fantastic interview.

Hi Bruce.
I got a lot to say on this that I can't assemble into a single comprehensive post, so I'll add overtime hopefully. I have a very similar experience regarding a "download" that is convergent with your story. I literally got goosebumps listening.

I first heard of you regarding the remarkable correlation of symbols in Australian aboriginal culture and gobekli tepe. I have some connection with the aboriginal culture as my adopted son is aboriginal and his extended family are custodian of Quinkan rock art, some of the oldest art in the world.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-31/quinkan-rock-art-percy-trezise/5255960

Percy is a white boy, but he has been helpful in connecting the Aboriginal people with their broken heritage.

There is not much we can point to in relation to Aboriginal megalithic construction if any but there is this.
https://www.holdmyark.com/blog-1/2019/3/6/is-this-the-oldest-stone-mason-work-in-the-world

From my own research I am convinced there was a lost ancient pre ice age culture that was significantly advanced that also lived alongside hunter gather tribes. I'll probably get around to extrapolating further with a thread here at skeptiko eventually. There is so much to talk about, I find the evidence overwhelming. I believe humanity has been reset multiple times in a cyclic cataclysm. There is much talk about asteroid impacts but there is another aspect not many talk about. That being the possibility of micronova events from our sun. This rabbit hole is deep and includes a CIA cover up of these facts. Ie.. the recent declassification of the sanitized version of Chan Thomas's Adam and Eve Story all the while Charles Hapgood's crustal displacement theory was allowed and subsequently brought the whole field of catastrophism down with it . Not many know that Hapgood also worked for the CIA. This runs very deep, so, so much to unpack!
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79B00752A000300070001-8.pdf

This may relate to the tektite issue in particular the fission tracks within, and the possibility of a cyclic event in the sun due to the solar systems passage through the galactic magnetic sheet. Australasian tektite debris fields are said to date to that period of around 0.8 million years, there is some debate over this with claims of a much younger age. There are others from other tektite fields also containing fission tracks that date to many millions of years. The various tektite fields around the world are vastly separated by geology and time. Fission tracks are indicative of cosmic rays of course. This seems to rule out the standard asteroid and subsequent reentry of debris. Any theory must include this phenomena. While my own meta physical experience does correlate with yours there may be other possibilities for this namely a cyclic micronova. It ties in with geomagnetic events and reversals, The Earth is currently in the process of another.

Previous events...
Gothenburg event 10,000 -13,000 years ago
Mono Lake event ~ 23,000 years ago
Lake Mungo event ~ 36,000 years ago
Laschamp event 41,000 - 43,000 years ago
Vostok Core Event ~ 60,000 years ago

As for my experience, I have spent many years exploring altered states of consciousness, several years ago I had a sequences of experiences I could only describe as contact with some form of intelligence. It occurred over several weeks, each time the story that unfolded was picked up from the previous event.

It began with an explanation that we are not the body, we are the field. It also involved things that are difficult to express, the nature of time and space and it's relationship to consciousness. It also concerned the ET issue and why this is difficult for us to comprehend its true nature. It was presented to me eventually that these were beings of far higher consciousness, that reality consists of various degrees of frequency of consciousness and that is why when it is altered these beings can be perceived, sometimes often as alien entities. This is pretty common actually as I found out later. eg. Rick Strassman, the spirit molecule.

Our reality is consequence of our frequency of consciousness. This is why the ET phenomena has this dualistic thing of being both nuts and bolts and spiritual. In order for them to penetrate our level of conscious space time perspective requires what we would call physicality, like a glove. Likewise it was shown to me that we are like astronauts in biological space suits.

Eventually they revealed that they crashed here long ago and we were their children. My partner watched all this unfold from week to week and I remember telling her about my concerns for my sanity, please don't tell anyone I told her. She thought it was interesting, but I was a little troubled. I really wish I had made a journal for all this because the information was so dense it was difficult to retain much of it. I have never relayed this before, I didn't talk about it for fear of being labelled. Hearing what you had to say, and being years later I thought I would share. I don't care much anymore about being called a loon. I've grown beyond that.
 
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Is it common for Alex to lose track? Bless his busy heart. If he does not reply to this I will delete it along with the two previous replications. A question of diminishing returns.
You should remember that everyone here gives their time voluntarily, and most of us do other things beyond this forum - I shall be moving on to a thorny software problem as soon as I hit the 'Post' button on this! Even though I moderate here, I couldn't possibly read everything here, and I am sure I have been asked questions to which I have not replied.

David
 
I think it is safe to say that when the claims are especially extraordinary and profound, people will instinctively tend towards being disbelieving without sufficient supporting evidence. Not everyone will be suitably hesitant, of course, there are people open to believing very big claims on the least of evidence possible. What is our earliest origin? If it involves evolution from single celled organisms than our origin is there, or with any party that potentially engineered and seeded DNA. If evolving organisms were meddled with by ET once during the last 4.5 billion years, or perhaps various times, then we are the result of everything that happened during this huge span of time. I don't think anyone can claim any one party single-handedly created modern humans. If some people feel demoralized by this possibility, so be it, I simply care that we get to the truth of the matter - whether that involve angels, demons or any parade of strange otherworldly characters. We are more than this body and as such no beings engineered 'me' irrespective of what history my form has or the code that it is based upon. People should not 'trust' but consider exploring this information and the offered evidence. Hopefully that is a helpful answer.
This is why I hold the view there is the biological "me" (hard physicality, Zone 3) and the individualized "Me" (soft physicality, Zone 2) and ultimately "ME" as consciousness, a unified whole.

Zone 3 external forces can play a role in manipulating the physical body vehicle within which my Zone 2 "self" incarnates... But I am always fully responsible for Me (Zone 2).

[EDIT ADDED] - I just read LoneShaman's post #246 I wish to related this "Zones map" to what LoneShaman wrote.

"Our reality is consequence of our frequency of consciousness." This (Our reality) is what I am pointing to when I use the term Zone 3.

"It began with an explanation that we are not the body, we are the field." For me, the field is Zone 1 where Zone 2 is the conscious, self reflective "being" that is capable of inhabiting a "biological space suite" (that which the Zone 2 individualized being requires to explore Zone 3, thus the suit is also a component of Zone 3). A conscious, self reflecting being is certainly capable of experiencing a sense of "anchoring" (as most of us here sense about Our reality (Zone 3)) from a different frequency zone other than Our reality. That other frequency zone, is a sub zone within Zone 2 of the map. To these beings, their Zone 3 is that sub zone within Zone 2 from our perspective, thus, our Zone 3 is a sub zone of their Zone 2 from their perspective.

And so what totally blows my mind about what I read in LoneShaman's post is that which I attempted to offer for consideration at Richard Dolan's forum... that being "This is why the ET phenomena has this dualistic thing of being both nuts and bolts and spiritual. In order for them to penetrate our level of conscious space time perspective requires what we would call physicality, like a glove."

I would like to ask permission to share post #246 of this thread written by LoneShaman on the Richard Dolan forum in the thread on that forum dedicated to Bruce Fenton's work.
 
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I would like to ask permission to share post #246 of this thread written by LoneShaman on the Richard Dolan forum in the thread on that forum dedicated to Bruce Fenton's work
I guess you should ask LS himself. There is no copyright on these forums - except maybe for the podcasts themselves.

David
 
Thank you... and I should have been clearer as I was asking both the Skeptiko forum and LoneShaman.
That's fine with me Sam, I have the security of anonymity. I think Richard is cut above most researchers and I respect him very much.

Like I said I have never told anyone before except my partner, not even my kids. Nothing like that has ever recurred for me, it was unique in that way. It is very easy to dismiss, but It was very real to me, my own logical mind struggled with it. It has had a lasting impact, most definitely. I constantly think about it.
 
Just a little on the genetic code, which is a true code btw.

In order to to transmit information requires symbols, syntax and a cipher for interpretation, both sender and receiver must have knowledge of the cipher. This is language.

What is a symbol? A symbol represents something that is not itself. It is not physics that connect a symbol with what it represents it is, in all cases this a mind. For a transfer of information at its most basic level is a semiotic triad of 1. Symbol, a physical token. 2 The representation, what that symbol represents and 3. An interpretation. All three are required.

Now we can have of course a completely automated system that does this, you are using one right now. It does however require a mind for it's conception. Codes are not physical you see, only the medium for the code. This is why the same code can be formulated in a variety of mediums.

The genetic code is no different, it is formal and not physical. While it requires physicality to transfer through time and space in the macro. Meanings are assigned by a mind. There is this gap in any system that is not truly connected by any of the physical laws of nature. Software and it's code does this in the system you are using now. It is a bunch of formalized (non physical) concepts embedded in a physical medium. A law actually, a rule, is not truly physical although it can be described in it's physical operation. The gap is connected by an abstraction, a concept. This is the domain of a mind.

It has an aboutness to it. Thoughts are about things, they are not the actual electrical discharges in synapses that represent them. This is a simplistic version of the "hard Problem".

This gap in the genetic code is traversed by yet another code, a set of enzymes specific to each amino acid. These enzymes are themselves coded by the very thing that require themselves in order to be processed! This is the ultimate conundrum in biology.

Was life seeded? Some say this just pushes the question further back. That is only true if we limit ourselves to biological minds. My opinion is a bit different. I think of the universe as an organism, it is alive. It is the embodiment of the cosmic universal mind and what we see is its "representation". Like the symbol, like the electric discharge representation of a thought.

The “Wow! signal” of the terrestrial genetic code
It has been repeatedly proposed to expand the scope for SETI, and one of the suggested alternatives to radio is the biological media. Genomic DNA is already used on Earth to store non-biological information. Though smaller in capacity, but stronger in noise immunity is the genetic code. The code is a flexible mapping between codons and amino acids, and this flexibility allows modifying the code artificially. But once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature, if that conforms to biological and thermodynamic requirements. As the actual scenario for the origin of terrestrial life is far from being settled, the proposal that it might have been seeded intentionally cannot be ruled out. A statistically strong intelligent-like “signal” in the genetic code is then a testable consequence of such scenario. Here we show that the terrestrial code displays a thorough precision-type orderliness matching the criteria to be considered an informational signal. Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of the same symbolic language. Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing rather than of stochastic processes (the null hypothesis that they are due to chance coupled with presumable evolutionary pathways is rejected with P-value < 10–13). The patterns are profound to the extent that the code mapping itself is uniquely deduced from their algebraic representation. The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin. Plausible ways of embedding the signal into the code and possible interpretation of its content are discussed. Overall, while the code is nearly optimized biologically, its limited capacity is used extremely efficiently to pass non-biological information.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0019103513000791
 
Bruce brings up several key reasons to consider that the early hominids were tampered with. It is a myth that we have 96% genetic similarity to chimps. This comparison only includes the protein coding regions of DNA which make up but a tiny percent of the whole genome maybe around 3%. The rest was considered "junk" for many years. Not so anymore, This junk is the operating system. Partly being the switches Bruce mentions.

The Y chromosome is incredibly divergent and has thought to be the process of "accelerated" evolution. Indeed there are sections that share similarity with prime apes and there are other sections that are completely unique. Just like it has suffered a genetic cut and paste job.
It can't be ruled out.

So what of ET abductions and the common theme of hybridization. If you have not heard of David Jacobs I suggest you watch some of his lectures. He has a very dark picture of the phenomena. But what if this is the norm throughout the galaxy? What if the human race is undergoing an upgrade? He seems to think this is like a clandestine operation of a take over. This appears to be a relatively modern phenomena that has culminated into the production of what he calls hubrids, Human looking hybrids indiscernible to us. Can there be other conclusions?

I can't help to think of things such as the Elohim (which is plural) the Nephilim (product of fallen angels and human), a cleansing with the great cataclysm. I do not follow any Abrahamic religion, I am a heathen.

The early hominds were version 1, we are version 2. Perhaps they plan on reseeding the Earth after the next great cataclysm with human 3.0.
 
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The signal displays readily recognizable hallmarks of artificiality, among which are the symbol of zero, the privileged decimal syntax and semantical symmetries. Besides, extraction of the signal involves logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin.
I have been trying to get people to understand this for near to a decade now. This is what shCerbak means when he says in the study 'logically straightforward but abstract operations, making the patterns essentially irreducible to any natural origin." Later in the study he alludes to the relationship between codon symmetry, classification and nucleon degeneracy. He described this in logicial specification, but I show it graphically below.

I think the appropriate logical calculus word choice is not 'irreducible', but rather 'unprecedentable'. Not only because when a sol-nihilist hears the term 'irrdeducible' they tend to overload their mental capacity and go into a robotic casualty-apothegm mode... but also because this is not a case of irreducibility, but rather 'no natural precedent' which could allow the configuration to occur. It is reducible to a logical process of assembly by intent alone... and for two key reasons:

A logical indirect symmetry cannot evolve, when that same logical indirect symmetry is exclusively required to exist before one can have evolution in the first place.
A second aspect of this is the stop code. The stop code is amino acid silence - and a system cannot naturally evolve by absences, only by presences. This stop codex bears no possible precedent from which it could evolve in the first place. Both its positioning in the codex, as well as its musical approach can only be brought about by intent.
These are both falsifying-deductive in their inferential bootstrap strength.
shCerebak continues, "The key point in terms of changeability of the genetic code is that there is no direct chemical interaction between mRNA codons and amino acids at any stage." So the idea that the following code evolved - has been falsified - even in a non Earth context.

This is a cryptographer's 'bench code'. (I am a cryptographer, although it has been many years)

To me this is plain as day - intelligent praxis... it is NOT in any way, shape or form - natural. The only reason we do not know this is because our religious sol-nihilists are terrified of this notion.

Codon 2nd Digit to Amino Match 2.png
 
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Just a little on the genetic code, which is a true code btw.

In order to to transmit information requires symbols, syntax and a cipher for interpretation, both sender and receiver must have knowledge of the cipher. This is language.

What is a symbol? A symbol represents something that is not itself. It is not physics that connect a symbol with what it represents it is, in all cases this a mind. For a transfer of information at its most basic level is a semiotic triad of 1. Symbol, a physical token. 2 The representation, what that symbol represents and 3. An interpretation. All three are required.

Now we can have of course a completely automated system that does this, you are using one right now. It does however require a mind for it's conception. Codes are not physical you see, only the medium for the code. This is why the same code can be formulated in a variety of mediums.

The genetic code is no different, it is formal and not physical. While it requires physicality to transfer through time and space in the macro. Meanings are assigned by a mind. There is this gap in any system that is not truly connected by any of the physical laws of nature. Software and it's code does this in the system you are using now. It is a bunch of formalized (non physical) concepts embedded in a physical medium. A law actually, a rule, is not truly physical although it can be described in it's physical operation. The gap is connected by an abstraction, a concept. This is the domain of a mind.

It has an aboutness to it. Thoughts are about things, they are not the actual electrical discharges in synapses that represent them. This is a simplistic version of the "hard Problem".

This gap in the genetic code is traversed by yet another code, a set of enzymes specific to each amino acid. These enzymes are themselves coded by the very thing that require themselves in order to be processed! This is the ultimate conundrum in biology.
I agree. And furthermore there are some interesting things about the code that make it feel even more as if someone intelligent created it. In particular, there are mutations that are known as "frame shifts". These consist of the removal or addition of a number, N of DNA bases, where N is not a multiple of three. The simplest example is the removal of one DNA base. These are generally destructive to a gene's function because the coding breaks down. For example, given:

CAT TCG ACA CGG ............

When you remove the fourth base you get:

CAT CGA CAC GG.............

Notice how every codon (group of 3 bases) after such a mutation, is totally trashed!

I used to think (I only did one year of this stuff almost 50 years ago!) that this mistake would destroy the rest of the chromosome (maybe thousands of genes) because everything would get out of step. However,the code contains specific start and stop codons and there are short sections between DNA which cannot be confused with these special codons. This means that the decoding process can recover after encountering a frameshift mutation!

I guess something like this must have been present right from the start - even the simplest life-form is as sophisticated as hell, and yet science has to assume that it was created randomly, because before the first organism, nothing was alive to undergo natural selection!

David
 
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I agree. And furthermore there are some interesting things about the code that make it feel even more as if someone intelligent created it. In particular, there are mutations that are known as "frame shifts". These consist of the removal or addition of a number, N of DNA bases, where N is not a multiple of three. The simplest example is the removal of one DNA base. There are generally destructive to a gene's function because the coding breaks down. For example, given:

CAT TCG ACA CGG ............

When you remove the fourth base you get:

CAT CGA CAC GG.............

Notice how every codon (group of 3 bases) after such a mutation, is totally trashed!

I used to think (I only did one year of this stuff almost 50 years ago!) that this mistake would destroy the rest of the chromosome (maybe thousands of genes) because everything would get out of step. However,the code contains specific start and stop codons and there are short sections between DNA which cannot be confused with these special codons. This means that the decoding process can recover after encountering a frameshift mutation!

I guess something like this must have been present right from the start - even the simplest life-form is as sophisticated as hell, and yet science has to assume that it was created randomly, because before the first organism, nothing was alive to undergo natural selection!

David
Yes, I'd forgotten about that, Nice! I am very rusty on all this. The code is multidimensional you could say, I recall there was even some functionality in reading in the reverse direction, I am not sure about that. But there are definitely codes within codes. And this is just in the genome. Not to mention where the rest of the information resides in the whole of the organism. Indeed there is no such thing as a simple life form. It is mind boggling.

SETI is a good analogy. If the same signal was coming from space, there would be no doubt what that eludes to. Yet here it has been well before we were here, because it is cloaked in unfounded assumption and a no go zone for science it is simply taken for granted.

As you know we discussed this for over a year here, I was pretty up to speed on the whole origin of life enigma, at least I thought I was. I recently saw this video and it blew my mind, the problem is even more immense than I could possibly imagine.
 
LoneShaman,

I like that James Tour video, it is a bit more condensed than a videoed lecture on a similar theme that he produced which was about 90 mins.

I felt there was one slight blemish, which I thought I would point out before Malf or someone picks up on it. He refers repeatedly to "We do not know how to make the molecules". In most cases he obviously means that we don't know how to make the molecules in ways that could possibly have happened on a pre-biotic earth, where vacuum lines, and reagents like lithium aluminium hydride, thermometers, and all the other bits of equipment in an organic lab (including the chemists!) would not be available!

David
 
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