Bruce Fenton on UFO/ET Contact 780,000 Years Ago |458|

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Thanks for the link about the book, The Restless Clock. At over 14 pounds for the Kindle edition, I will have to wait a while to read it, but it certainly promises to show how the sweeping assumption that living things are passive, not active agents is not the complete picture & leaves scientists & others w/ a warped picture of living things as well as the non-living. This makes me think of the objection I ran across early in my biology education: that science can't even adequately define what makes something a living thing. For example, one of the characteristics of living things is the ability to reproduce. The offspring of a horse & donkey is a mule, which is sterile (actually I learned not too long ago that mules sometimes have young, but it is considered in the Middle East as an evil omen). So, is a mule not living since it can't produce offspring, but then when it does, it's alive but it portends evil? How about viruses? They reproduce themselves, but don't engage in respiration, so what are they exactly? So, the American Indians may have had a really deep insight into western or white man consciousness: an Indian said that, "our people see everything as alive, but the white man sees everything as dead."
There are some people who claim that every cell is conscious to some degree:
http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/g-buehler/FRAME.HTM
I think I would characterise viruses as packages of chemicals. They only reproduce using the mechanisms of other organisms.

All this illustrates the fact that orthodox science doesn't think it is a big deal to define what is life! Maybe in truth every cell has a link to something non-physical - just in order to live.

As a former chemist, the extraordinary thing about cells is that so many pretty reactive chemicals co-exist in them, and all the reactions happen without appreciable bi-products. In laboratory organic chemistry, you usually have to do a synthesis step by step, isolating and purifying each intermediate product before setting up for the next step - because otherwise you get masses of cross reactions and end up with something brown and gloopy that chemists know as 'tar'. This guy is a Christian, but you don't have to buy into that in order to appreciate what he is saying:


David
 
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I think this is a tricky question. The earliest computers filled a room and were called "giant electronic brains" because they could add up a column of figures in a second! After the novelty was over, people thought a computer needed to do something more impressive - like do a piece of algebra, or translate some text into a foreign language in order to be called intelligent/conscious. The distinction between Artificial Intelligence and Artificial Consciousness is extremely murky.
"The distinction between Artificial Intelligence and Artificial Consciousness is extremely murky."

I don't agree. I consider it to be very distinct, in fact a category error to use the term 'conscious' in relation to a computer. Lots of people seem to delight in pretending that they are the same, especially science-fiction writers. But fiction isn't fact.

Of course we have to relate that to the context where our own consciousness is often dismissed as merely some effect of material objects, not something in its own right, Against this background of misunderstanding, it's hardly surprising that some can so easily become confused over the abilities or properties of machines.
 
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There are some people who claim that every cell is conscious to some degree:
http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/g-buehler/FRAME.HTM
I think I would characterise viruses as packages of chemicals. They only reproduce using the mechanisms of other organisms.

All this illustrates the fact that orthodox science doesn't think it is a big deal to define what is life! Maybe in truth every cell has a link to something non-physical - just in order to live.

As a former chemist, the extraordinary thing about cells is that so many pretty reactive chemicals co-exist in them, and all the reactions happen without appreciable bi-products. In laboratory organic chemistry, you usually have to do a synthesis step by step, isolating and purifying each intermediate product before setting up for the next step - because otherwise you get masses of cross reactions and end up with something brown and gloopy that chemists know as 'tar'. This guy is a Christian, but you don't have to buy into that in order to appreciate what he is saying:


David
Thanks for your link to more evidence that living units at all levels are active agents! A fascinating theory called "energy shunting" was offered in my evolution course in college; it was used to explain why blind salamanders that live in pitch-black caves develop other sensory capabilities to adapt to the lack of light. This energy shunting, if correct, seems like more support to purposeful intelligence. I have run across numerous references in mystical literature especially that point to infinite regression in the sense of the distinct possibility that every grain of sand on a beach may be a "planet" to the organisms living on it & that subdividing continues w/o end. I will never forget the absolutely creepy description in The Autobiography of a Yogi of fakirs who hold up their arms in the air until they wither away & the agonized reaction of the dying cells as this happened which was detectable to the fakirs, like the screaming of a great crowd of dying people. Mystics commonly say the universe is held together by truth, compassion, & forbearance; another version says Being, Love, and Wisdom are at the core of the Real, so I think you are certainly correct in saying all life has to be linked to a non-physical source. Look at the quantum physics ideas of the Super Position and String Theory.
 
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Look at the quantum physics ideas of the Super Position and String Theory.
Caution - superposition is really a mathematical concept, and relates to the way two quantum mechanical wavefunctions can be combined to produce another valid wavefunction!

Also, even though String Theory has been taught and researched (it is way too hard for me) for 40 years, senior physicists in the field, such as Peter Woit and Sabine Hossenfelder, are calling it a dead theory because it simply hasn't produced any testable result! Concepts like the multiverse and 'brane theory' are offshoots of string theory and would also be dead if this is true. (a 'brane' is an N-dimensional generalisation of a surface - a membrane!)

The problem seems to be that so many people have invested so much time understanding String Theory that there is enormous reluctance to dropping it! the idea, It is also supposed to be incredibly 'beautiful' once you have read and understood the reams and reams of obscure maths that lead up to it!

David
 
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Alternative explanations for the tektites: every ~12,000 the sun passes through the galactic current sheet which results in a solar micro-nova which causes the cataclysms recorded around the world. Some of the ejected solar material globs together as these glass beads which eventually fall to earth.
See about 31:00 during this video where he talks about the tektites:

For a quality explanation of the micro-nova and CIA’s redirection of the physical sciences away from catastrophism, see this from Ben Davidson at Suspicious0bservers:
 
#28
Alternative explanations for the tektites
I have always been intrigued by Dr. John Brandenburg's thesis that an over-abundance of fusion by-products on Mars proves there was an Alien nuclear war on that planet hundreds of thousands of years ago.

I'm just spit-balling here, but I bet Periodic Solar Micronova would be a better, more plausible, simpler explanation for his findings.
 
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Alternative explanations for the tektites: every ~12,000 the sun passes through the galactic current sheet which results in a solar micro-nova which causes the cataclysms recorded around the world. Some of the ejected solar material globs together as these glass beads which eventually fall to earth.
See about 31:00 during this video where he talks about the tektites
I have read a much simpler explanation (Occam) along the same lines. When the sun passes through the galactic plain it encounters much more debris, and collisions with earth are more likely.

David
 
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I have read a much simpler explanation (Occam) along the same lines. When the sun passes through the galactic plain it encounters much more debris, and collisions with earth are more likely.

David
The galactic current sheet makes more sense than the galactic plane. Density changes through the plane are much less dramatic more irregular and take much longer. The journey through the current sheet where the galactic magnetic field reverses is much more regular and a very short duration encounter with galactic dust.
 
#31
When the sun passes through the galactic plain it encounters much more debris
This is a plausible explanation.

The only way we could confirm it would be to measure the amount of tektites present in the Galactic Sheet. Then we calculate if the sheet contains enough to add up to the abundance of them we discovered on the Moon.

Hurmanetar, when are we predicted to enter the Galactic Sheet? Isn't it like around 2,050 A.D. ?
 
#32
The only way we could confirm it would be to measure the amount of tektites present in the Galactic Sheet. Then we calculate if the sheet contains enough to add up to the abundance of them we discovered on the Moon.
I'm not sure we would expect to find "tektites" riding along on the galactic current sheet... mostly dust, but then again I don't know what is in interstellar space. Davidson believes the "Dark Matter" is really a result of the underestimation of interstellar dust. If stars are shooting off micro-nova a lot more often than scientists once thought, maybe there could be larger particles than mere dust surfing the galactic current sheet. But the dust rides the current sheet because it can get charged up and is drawn along by the electric/magnetic fields. Larger rockier bodies should be more influenced by gravitation than charge... although if there are some glass beads out there maybe they can get charged up too and surf along with the dust? I don't know.

The theory on the videos I've linked is that tektites are formed when the sun launches a large CME or micro-nova. Some of the heavier molten material ejected from the sun globs together (that's my technical term) and cools in spherules and then partially re-melts on atmospheric entry forming the tektites.

During this theorized Solar micro-nova or large CME/flare, the Sun's luminous flash reaches Earth and Moon in about 8 minutes and lasts for a few minutes... maybe an hour. The dust on the surface of the moon is glazed - melted into glass - from the intense heat and actually appears to glow blood red as the newly formed glass on its surface is cooling off. The region of Earth that is unfortunate enough to be at solar noon gets scorched. Some of the protective atmosphere is ionized and carried away with the solar wind. Vegetation burns. Massive amounts of water is evaporated (which is the source of the ice for the next ice age). Then everything goes relatively dark as the sun's dust shell makes its 93 million mile journey towards earth and blocks out much of the sun light. The dust shell is shaped by the sun's magnetic field and initially takes the shape of a torus and then degenerates into snake/dragon like tubes dancing across the sky. The ejected material from the sun takes about 17-18 hours (according to Vogt) to reach Earth and Moon. The majority of the ejecta is dust and ionized particles, but particle size is probably highly variable. Some moon rocks appeared to have been glazed and then blasted with shotgun pellet sized particles. When the dust shell hits earth we get a geomagnetic storm like no other. Severe global earthquakes. Magnetic pole flip. Crustal displacement? Gigantic lightning bolts from the charged up ionosphere down to the surface. Much of the dust is hydrogen and oxygen combining into water. Thick clouds are seeded all over the earth further blocking out the sun. Intense deluge of muddy rain. Massive hailstones falling from space. Some sparse larger heavier chunks of debris impact as meteors. Debris that misses the planets eventually forms comets. Intensely cold winds flash freeze life in some places (think Wooly mammoths flash frozen) while muddy hail and rain bury them in minutes turning them into 10,000 year popsicles. The oceans slosh about and overrun much of the low elevation portions of the continents. Some areas of the crust rise and others fall. The seas drain back into their places but sea level is now several hundred feet lower. Increased volcanism. All life gets blasted with a dose of radiation causing increased genetic mutations. The earth enters a new ice age and the great coastal cities of this era have been erased without a trace. Humans who are not swept away by the floods or swallowed up by the earthquakes or burned by the sun will survive by retreating into the relative warmth of caves (and perhaps Deep Underground Military Bases).

Hurmanetar, when are we predicted to enter the Galactic Sheet? Isn't it like around 2,050 A.D. ?
If the current sheet does indeed cause stellar flares, then we could look towards galactic center for evidence of its approach in nearby stars. Alpha Centuari had a flare seen in 2016 and before that Bernard's Star had a flare seen in 1998. If those flares truly are due to the passing of the galactic current sheet, and if we make several assumptions, then we can calculate the speed of approach and that tells us we're due to get hit in 2052 but those assumptions lead to a pretty wide margin of error.

Davidson thinks we started entering the dusty region near the galactic current sheet a while ago and that the whole process could take a few decades to centuries depending on how you define it. The earth spends about 2 hrs passing through the sun's current sheet every 2 weeks, so scale that up to the galaxy... about 70 years every 12000 years. Chan Thomas guessed sometime between 2000 and 2200. Vogt thinks 2045 based on his interpretations of the Torah (I don't care much for textual based date setting). If the current trend continues in Earth's magnetic field weakening, it could be at 50% strength by 2050. It's been about 11,500 years since the last event and some readings of the geologic record indicate this happens regularly about 11k to 13k years.

The earth's magnetic field is already down about 15% from 150 years ago and decrease is accelerating currently losing 5% per decade. North and South Poles are moving with increasing speed towards the Indian Ocean and on the antipode, the South Atlantic anomaly is moving towards Peru. Cosmic rays are increasing. These COULD be symptoms that we are already entering the dusty region approaching the galactic current sheet.

The weakening magnetic field could cause a lot of problems for our modern society well before the big one hits.

Anyway, I don't think we can really get a good idea of timing right now... birth pangs for a few years/decades... then sudden labor. ...when the moon turns blood red, then if you weren't fried during the initial flare you have about half a day or so to dive into your hole in the ground before the dust shell hits. Matthew 24:15 makes a lot more sense in light of this... as do a lot of other apocalyptic descriptions...

Another thing that makes more sense is the Astronauts returning from the Apollo missions... many have pointed to their dejected spirits as indication that the moon missions were fake... perhaps... or perhaps they got debriefed and realized that all the glass and dust they found indicated the earth's upcoming date with fate.

How would the knowledge that the Earth is about to experience this unavoidable cataclysm effect strategy within the Deep State of the 1950s and 1960s? Hmm... a lot of seemingly irrational actions in recent history might make more sense in light of this puzzle piece. Some may have been rational actions to prepare... others may have been a form of partying and fiddling on the sinking Titanic grabbing the good life while it could still be had... the Devil (within) knows his time is short.

Considering that the Deep State likes to "innoculate" us with relatively harmless threats to harden against real ones (e.g. Coronavirus), what could they have up their sleeve to prepare us for this? ...aside from "climate change". EMP? A "Dark Winter"?

Suppose they had the power to choose who to save... Should we let blind luck decide? Or should we choose? Who should be the remnant to seed humanity into the next post-cataclysm epoch... Maybe if we choose wisely and preserve enough knowledge and tech it won't take us thousands of years to rebuild and reach the stars? How would they go about deciding who to save? Get everyone ID'd and profiled and have an AI system determine those who are most fit? The Earth is a self-cleaning petri dish, but what if we apply some intelligence to seed it with "the best" instead of allow blind luck to choose for us? That has to be the way the egghead planners are/were thinking about it. Either that or all the good ones were like... "fuck it, there's nothing we can do now. I'm retiring..." and then a bunch of worthless communist nitwits took over.

The fantastical situations we find ourselves in like this make the simulation hypothesis seem that much more reasonable... lol
 
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I'm not sure we would expect to find "tektites" riding along on the galactic current sheet... mostly dust, but then again I don't know what is in interstellar space. Davidson believes the "Dark Matter" is really a result of the underestimation of interstellar dust. If stars are shooting off micro-nova a lot more often than scientists once thought, maybe there could be larger particles than mere dust surfing the galactic current sheet. But the dust rides the current sheet because it can get charged up and is drawn along by the electric/magnetic fields. Larger rockier bodies should be more influenced by gravitation than charge... although if there are some glass beads out there maybe they can get charged up too and surf along with the dust? I don't know.

The theory on the videos I've linked is that tektites are formed when the sun launches a large CME or micro-nova. Some of the heavier molten material ejected from the sun globs together (that's my technical term) and cools in spherules and then partially re-melts on atmospheric entry forming the tektites.

During this theorized Solar micro-nova or large CME/flare, the Sun's luminous flash reaches Earth and Moon in about 8 minutes and lasts for a few minutes... maybe an hour. The dust on the surface of the moon is glazed - melted into glass - from the intense heat and actually appears to glow blood red as the newly formed glass on its surface is cooling off. The region of Earth that is unfortunate enough to be at solar noon gets scorched. Some of the protective atmosphere is ionized and carried away with the solar wind. Vegetation burns. Massive amounts of water is evaporated (which is the source of the ice for the next ice age). Then everything goes relatively dark as the sun's dust shell makes its 93 million mile journey towards earth and blocks out much of the sun light. The dust shell is shaped by the sun's magnetic field and initially takes the shape of a torus and then degenerates into snake/dragon like tubes dancing across the sky. The ejected material from the sun takes about 17-18 hours (according to Vogt) to reach Earth and Moon. The majority of the ejecta is dust and ionized particles, but particle size is probably highly variable. Some moon rocks appeared to have been glazed and then blasted with shotgun pellet sized particles. When the dust shell hits earth we get a geomagnetic storm like no other. Severe global earthquakes. Magnetic pole flip. Crustal displacement? Gigantic lightning bolts from the charged up ionosphere down to the surface. Much of the dust is hydrogen and oxygen combining into water. Thick clouds are seeded all over the earth further blocking out the sun. Intense deluge of muddy rain. Massive hailstones falling from space. Some sparse larger heavier chunks of debris impact as meteors. Debris that misses the planets eventually forms comets. Intensely cold winds flash freeze life in some places (think Wooly mammoths flash frozen) while muddy hail and rain bury them in minutes turning them into 10,000 year popsicles. The oceans slosh about and overrun much of the low elevation portions of the continents. Some areas of the crust rise and others fall. The seas drain back into their places but sea level is now several hundred feet lower. Increased volcanism. All life gets blasted with a dose of radiation causing increased genetic mutations. The earth enters a new ice age and the great coastal cities of this era have been erased without a trace. Humans who are not swept away by the floods or swallowed up by the earthquakes or burned by the sun will survive by retreating into the relative warmth of caves (and perhaps Deep Underground Military Bases).



If the current sheet does indeed cause stellar flares, then we could look towards galactic center for evidence of its approach in nearby stars. Alpha Centuari had a flare seen in 2016 and before that Bernard's Star had a flare seen in 1998. If those flares truly are due to the passing of the galactic current sheet, and if we make several assumptions, then we can calculate the speed of approach and that tells us we're due to get hit in 2052 but those assumptions lead to a pretty wide margin of error.

Davidson thinks we started entering the dusty region near the galactic current sheet a while ago and that the whole process could take a few decades to centuries depending on how you define it. The earth spends about 2 hrs passing through the sun's current sheet every 2 weeks, so scale that up to the galaxy... about 70 years every 12000 years. Chan Thomas guessed sometime between 2000 and 2200. Vogt thinks 2045 based on his interpretations of the Torah (I don't care much for textual based date setting). If the current trend continues in Earth's magnetic field weakening, it could be at 50% strength by 2050. It's been about 11,500 years since the last event and some readings of the geologic record indicate this happens regularly about 11k to 13k years.

The earth's magnetic field is already down about 15% from 150 years ago and decrease is accelerating currently losing 5% per decade. North and South Poles are moving with increasing speed towards the Indian Ocean and on the antipode, the South Atlantic anomaly is moving towards Peru. Cosmic rays are increasing. These COULD be symptoms that we are already entering the dusty region approaching the galactic current sheet.

The weakening magnetic field could cause a lot of problems for our modern society well before the big one hits.

Anyway, I don't think we can really get a good idea of timing right now... birth pangs for a few years/decades... then sudden labor. ...when the moon turns blood red, then if you weren't fried during the initial flare you have about half a day or so to dive into your hole in the ground before the dust shell hits. Matthew 24:15 makes a lot more sense in light of this... as do a lot of other apocalyptic descriptions...

Another thing that makes more sense is the Astronauts returning from the Apollo missions... many have pointed to their dejected spirits as indication that the moon missions were fake... perhaps... or perhaps they got debriefed and realized that all the glass and dust they found indicated the earth's upcoming date with fate.

How would the knowledge that the Earth is about to experience this unavoidable cataclysm effect strategy within the Deep State of the 1950s and 1960s? Hmm... a lot of seemingly irrational actions in recent history might make more sense in light of this puzzle piece. Some may have been rational actions to prepare... others may have been a form of partying and fiddling on the sinking Titanic grabbing the good life while it could still be had... the Devil (within) knows his time is short.

Considering that the Deep State likes to "innoculate" us with relatively harmless threats to harden against real ones (e.g. Coronavirus), what could they have up their sleeve to prepare us for this? ...aside from "climate change". EMP? A "Dark Winter"?

Suppose they had the power to choose who to save... Should we let blind luck decide? Or should we choose? Who should be the remnant to seed humanity into the next post-cataclysm epoch... Maybe if we choose wisely and preserve enough knowledge and tech it won't take us thousands of years to rebuild and reach the stars? How would they go about deciding who to save? Get everyone ID'd and profiled and have an AI system determine those who are most fit? The Earth is a self-cleaning petri dish, but what if we apply some intelligence to seed it with "the best" instead of allow blind luck to choose for us? That has to be the way the egghead planners are/were thinking about it. Either that or all the good ones were like... "fuck it, there's nothing we can do now. I'm retiring..." and then a bunch of worthless communist nitwits took over.

The fantastical situations we find ourselves in like this make the simulation hypothesis seem that much more reasonable... lol
Wow do you have a reference to all this?

I understood that the weakening geomagnetic field was likely the build-up to a magnetic reversal - which happen on a much longer timescale.

Alpha centauri is a close binary, which probably makes it unstable.

I can't honestly see the Deep State as a group of super wise humans trying to do the best for us all!

The moon has been subjected to solar radiation in a vacuum for 4 billion years +. To be honest, I am sceptical as to just how well anyone can calculate what the surface 'should' look like, and anyway, it's surface might simply reflect the way in which it was originally created.

Also, I don't think it is understood why galaxies such as ours form as a disk. However since they do, those forces presumably apply to matter at all scales - from stars right down to dust particles, so you would expect there to be more material in the plane of the disk.

David
 
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How would they go about deciding who to save?
I think they have already decided. It's a small club, and you and I ain't in it. :)

Last night I spent 3 hours struggling through several Doug Vogt videos. Every time I take a run at that guy, I get frustrated and give up. He's so scattered.

Vogt said Ben Davidson confessed to him in private that he thinks the event will be in October of 2047, and is not survivable except with very advanced underground living technology.

The irritating thing Vogt says is that 40 years of ice age makes survival anywhere except within 5 degrees of the equator really not possible. My plan for relocating to Colorado Springs would protect my kids from the tsunamis, but not the cold. I need to recalculate the whole thing.

Check out this interesting video where this guy theorizes that the earth rotates due to electrical input from the Sun, like an electric motor. When the micronova suddenly depletes the Sun's electrical charge, the motor stops, and earth rotation pauses for a day, then reverses after the magnetic poles have reversed.

He provides too much information too fast, but I like his "earth motor" theory. I don't recall Davidson or Vogt mentioning this aspect (or I missed it)...

 
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Wow do you have a reference to all this?
The videos I linked in post #27 above. Or here:
https://suspicious0bservers.org/

I understood that the weakening geomagnetic field was likely the build-up to a magnetic reversal - which happen on a much longer timescale.
A 2014 study concluded that reversals have occurred in less than 100 years (https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/199/2/1110/618671) and we are 100 years into the present one. The last several magnetic "excursions" appear to have occurred fairly regularly:
Gothenburg 10k-13k YBP
Mono Lake 23k YPB
Lake Mungo 36k YBP
Laschamp Event 41k-43k YBP
Vostok Core Event ~60k YBP

Alpha centauri is a close binary, which probably makes it unstable.
Scientists used to think recurrent novae were limited to binary systems, but they have discovered they occur in all kinds of non-binary stars too. Barnard's star was thought to be too old and steady for such antics until they saw it flare in 1998. Binaries are thought to nova because their partner feeds material to them which builds eventually leading to instability. The same mechanism could occur when the galactic current sheet feeds in extra material to non-binaries leading to instability.

I can't honestly see the Deep State as a group of super wise humans trying to do the best for us all!
How do you imagine the deep state of the 40's 50's 60's back when all this was discovered? They can't all be child molesting Satanists right? (I hope??)

The moon has been subjected to solar radiation in a vacuum for 4 billion years +. To be honest, I am sceptical as to just how well anyone can calculate what the surface 'should' look like, and anyway, it's surface might simply reflect the way in which it was originally created.
Apparently they found a lot of black glass with fission tracks in it and "zap pits" from tiny impactors along with glass spheres and some of the elements in the glass indicate it was created in relativistic plasma and therefore not the ejecta from an impactor.

Also interesting the moon missions were named after the sun god, Apollo, who's name share's the Greek root of the word for "destruction" (the same root for the name of the angel "Apollyon" in Revelation.

Also, I don't think it is understood why galaxies such as ours form as a disk. However since they do, those forces presumably apply to matter at all scales - from stars right down to dust particles, so you would expect there to be more material in the plane of the disk.
There is certainly more material in the plane of the galactic disk, but our journey through the plane takes eons. We're looking for something on a much shorter time scale. Also "more material" is true on average, but there's a lot of local variation. For example we are apparently coming out of a dust cloud into a more empty local bubble right now (a void left by a super nova) which could be the cause of the increasing cosmic rays.
 
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Last night I spent 3 hours struggling through several Doug Vogt videos. Every time I take a run at that guy, I get frustrated and give up. He's so scattered.
I think Vogt has some interesting and relevant info, but definitely take with a grain of salt. I detect a lot of ego and no inhibitions about blurring speculation with hard facts... he does have a lot of citations though so I think there is value to listening to him. (I've only listened to a couple hours of his stuff, so am not as familiar with him as Ben Davidson from Suspicious0bservers). But Vogt says at least a few things that are clearly off. Best example which I could see immediately: he suggested Boyle's law was responsible for the temp drop that froze the Mammoths. I think he was thinking of the Joules-Thompson effect which occurs when a gas is isentropically expanded through a throttling valve (like in a refrigeration cycle), but that is not a valid explanation here. Any temp drop due to lower atmospheric pressure would be relatively minor. My guess is the flash-frozen Mammoths got hit by an extremely cold 100 MPH winds as a result of jet stream being diverted to ground level, intense downdrafts, and also air being chilled from space-hail and loss of sunlight.

Vogt said Ben Davidson confessed to him in private that he thinks the event will be in October of 2047, and is not survivable except with very advanced underground living technology.
That seems odd as Davidson has said exactly the opposite about survivability in many of his videos. One more reason for grain of salt with Vogt.

The irritating thing Vogt says is that 40 years of ice age makes survival anywhere except within 5 degrees of the equator really not possible.
I don't think he's right about that. There's evidence of survival from the last cataclysm all over the world and at higher latitudes.

And then there is the geographic pole flip or crustal displacement talked about by Chan Thomas and Major White which describes the current poles flipping to the equator and the Indian Ocean and coast of Peru becoming the next polar regions. That happens to be where the magnetic poles and the South Atlantic anomaly are headed now, but who knows.

My plan for relocating to Colorado Springs would protect my kids from the tsunamis, but not the cold. I need to recalculate the whole thing
That's probably the best place to be. Down the street from Cheyenne Mountain and DIA, the future capitol of the post-cataclysm NWO. :)

Check out this interesting video where this guy theorizes that the earth rotates due to electrical input from the Sun, like an electric motor. When the micronova suddenly depletes the Sun's electrical charge, the motor stops, and earth rotation pauses for a day, then reverses after the magnetic poles have reversed.

He provides too much information too fast, but I like his "earth motor" theory. I don't recall Davidson or Vogt mentioning this aspect (or I missed it)...

I'll check it out, but right off the bat, doesn't make any sense. The only force (at the moment) acting to slow the earth's rotation is the lunar tides. The earth doesn't need a continual EMF to spin it because it already has immense angular momentum and would continue its spin forever. If the Earth's magnetic field disappeared, the Earth would not stop rotation. It seems reasonable that a severe geomagnetic storm could put a torque on the earth causing a jerk or some minor variation in rotation, but not anywhere near enough force to overcome the existing angular momentum. The pole flip hypothesis only suggests the thin crust slides around over the core... not that the whole earth changes axis or rotation... and even that seems an insane violation of physics and I would discount it completely if it weren't for stories of the sun standing still and setting in the wrong direction... and for the Chan Thomas and Major White info... and for the fact that Einstein believed it was possible and was trying to figure out the mechanism of action when he died.

Edit: I watched it... a bunch of fancy language and diagrams followed by the absurd segment comparing the earth to a toy motor with propeller on it. When the current stops, that motor stops spinning due to air resistance on the propeller and friction. Earth is spinning in the void. There's nothing to slow it down except the tides. Going back to Hapgood's easily debunkable theory which tarnished catastrophism... this is a modern example of the same.
 
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"The distinction between Artificial Intelligence and Artificial Consciousness is extremely murky."

I don't agree. I consider it to be very distinct, in fact a category error to use the term 'conscious' in relation to a computer. Lots of people seem to delight in pretending that they are the same, especially science-fiction writers. But fiction isn't fact.
Of course it is (something like a category error) but my view is that AI is something of a marketing puff - the very idea suggests a computer behaving as intelligently and flexibly as a human being.

In other words, real AI would be the same as AC, if it existed, but it doesn't!

David
 
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My guess is the flash-frozen Mammoths got hit by an extremely cold 100 MPH winds as a result of jet stream being diverted to ground level, intense downdrafts, and also air being chilled from space-hail and loss of sunlight. ...grain of salt with Vogt
This sounds more plausible to me.

I agree about Vogt. He causally states as fact a few things I know have been disproven. His deeply ingrained Jewish Supremacism colors and distorts all his conclusions. He makes logical leaps and glaring omissions when it suits him. He changes his Torah numerology method whenever convenient.

The pole flip hypothesis only suggests the thin crust slides around over the core...
I don't understand that hypothesis well enough, and need to study it a lot more. I agree that the idea that gazillions of tons of earth mass inertia can just "stop", or flip 90 degrees in a day seems absurd to me.

Anyone who skips over this basic fact is difficult to take seriously, but it's true that some of these guys to have interesting tidbits in their theses.

Thank you for the detailed response. I'm still on for Colorado Springs. :)
 
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...real AI would be the same as AC, if it existed, but it doesn't!
Ultimately yes, A.I. will never match Human Consciousness because it doesn't, and never can, benefit from the spiritual connection to other realms that we do.

The crude version we have today is already being used to poison the Internet. Check out this one deceiving people on Reddit...

https://www.kmeme.com/2020/10/gpt-3-bot-went-undetected-askreddit-for.html

I hate these things so much. When I search for information like "why are my file transfers so slow" or "what is the best way to repair drywall" 90% of the results are A.I. spun garbage pages with Amazon affiliate links.

A truly revolutionary search engine would allow you to maintain a blocklist which would filter from the results any page containing links to domains you specify.

Here's a video on this A.I....

 
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