Chris Knowles, The Descent Into Evil Thinking |450|

I agree. Corporate media is toxic.
I look to independent researchers for more accurate reporting. It’s sad that we cannot trust our media, doctors and politicians.
I have hope that people are catching on. It’s a hard thing to accept, from grade school we’re taught these people have our best interest at heart and they follow the truth. It’s obvious to anyone open now that it’s not the case.
All media has a story to tell...independent researchers have an angle too. Like I said before, ego guides us and is what we need to change.
 
That's fair. I just think he's a bad president and I have a difficult time with people defending him...I'll never understand that.
I get that. But I think it’s the lesser of two evils thing.
I cried when Trump won. I thought my god ww3.
But he’s been measured compared to the last few presidents. I know you probably thinking “arghhh” but I’m just trying to show nuance. I believed the mainstream narrative. But after a time I realised they are full of it. I never realised how much they gaslight us.
You seem like a kind person who just wants prosperity for all. I see why people think socialism may work “this time” but until we have technology and emotional intelligence close to Star Trek Next Generation it isn’t plausible to me. Crony capitalism is the real problem. If health care was a freer competitive market medication would be lower. But with big pharma, big government I’m unsure how we can change this.
 
That's why I said I don't have much hope until our consciousness has progressed more. I think capitalism inevitably turns to crony capitalism just like another person here posted how Socialism/Communism turns ugly. It's the Ego, pure and simple.
 
It's no big deal... And I want to I don't want to get all militant about these threads, imagine it 6 months from now or a year from now someone wanted to follow up on the conversation with chris knowles. they start going through this thread and then they'd hit page after page of trump stuff.

that's why I think it's helpful to try and stay on topic.

Also, there was some really great stuff in the interview that we haven't discussed. I want to know what y'all think.
I bought his book - and sadly, I'm a slow reader... The thing that stuck out to me was this -

Chris said that he saw "evil people" as people who actually started out thinking they were good and that their actions were good and justified... and that they grow into the evil doer while maintaining their view and justification.

And he also briefly mentioned, as an exception -

I don’t think people, except for like some weirdos who are into Satanism or whatever, nobody sets out thinking, “I’m going to be evil.”
...and there's no mention of psychopathy (and its cousin, sociopathy) and I think all three have to be considered and thus, discussed.

To use a Clint Eastwood movie metaphor - The "good' (those who think they are good and think they do good yet are and do anything but), the "bad" (those who consciously choose a dark, Left Hand Path pathway, like some forms of Satanism as an example) and the "ugly" - the pure psychopaths.

And then there's the idea of a force most of us would call "evil" and it is hard to disregard the possibility this force exists as a fundamental of form that arises just beyond (yet paradoxically within) what I believe is, as Kastrup once referred to it, the universe of consciousness. Alex's deep dive into good and evil has been an excellent journey and has adjusted my focus from my own view of the nature of good and evil as it relates to "life promoting/life preserving vs life restricting/life destroying" which I had concluded was fundamental to "good vs evil."

As it was Alex and a few guests hit upon... "the moral imperative" (and opportunity this "shared reality" form of life may present) which has started to take hold within me... and then I wonder, about the discussion ya'll had with regards to practical magick - especially black magic and the calling up of demons / angels to do one's bidding. And it just struck me as so obvious that it shouldn't be avoided because of the risk it poses to one's life (or soul if they are open to such) as that is a selfish reason not to when the reason one justifies doing so is similarly selfish or, driven by one's confusion they hold the highest wisdom and thus to use such with the goal of imposing one's opinion as to what the world should be and thus hubris.

To me, the reason to disdain the use of intentional practical magickal techniques is because it is, pure and simple, cheating. It is not playing fair. And that, to me, is an ethical standard (to never cheat) that I would place very high in the set of "the good."
 
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I agree. Corporate media is toxic.
I look to independent researchers for more accurate reporting. It’s sad that we cannot trust our media, doctors and politicians.
I have hope that people are catching on. It’s a hard thing to accept, from grade school we’re taught these people have our best interest at heart and they follow the truth. It’s obvious to anyone open now that it’s not the case.
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What is even scarier to discover is not all doctors have your interest at heart either. We just have to be more aggressive & assertive now. (and I used to be so nice LOL). Now I demand answers & point fingers at liars. I tell. I've made many inroads into other countries for direct information, especially Russia & Ukraine.

I'm glad David is here as well so he can tell us what he is seeing over there. I've been trying to put this COVID together it just makes no sense. A pandemic doesn't spread like this. It begins in one area & spreads. I know this came out of Wuhan after the military games. So now... it's looking to me as an "on purpose". (?)

SO, if it is an "on purpose" who gains? I'm looking more at the SWAMP now! International swamp maybe (?) But SWAMP!

Another thing and I'm not claiming to be any hero (maybe just lucky) but in Georgia, we have been running loose in our town. Nothing. Nobody is wearing any mask either. One of my neighbors has been shut in since JANUARY! She asked me what I was seeing out there! LOL... I can't imagine! Not going out at all!? We live in a forest here, gated, not like we're in the ghetto. So.. some people truly are locking themselves in. That is not healthy mentally.
 
I bought his book - and sadly, I'm a slow reader... The thing that stuck out to me was this -

Chris said that he saw "evil people" as people who actually started out thinking they were good and that their actions were good and justified... and that they grow into the evil doer while maintaining their view and justification.

And he also briefly mentioned, as an exception -



...and there's no mention of psychopathy (and its cousin, sociopathy) and I think all three have to be considered and thus, discussed.

To use a Clint Eastwood movie metaphor - The "good' (those who think they are good and think they do good yet are and do anything but), the "bad" (those who consciously choose a dark, Left Hand Path pathway, like some forms of Satanism as an example) and the "ugly" - the pure psychopaths.

And then there's the idea of a force most of us would call "evil" and it is hard to disregard the possibility this force exists as a fundamental of form that arises just beyond (yet paradoxically within) what I believe is, as Kastrup once referred to it, the universe of consciousness. Alex's deep dive into good and evil has been an excellent journey and has adjusted my focus from my own view of the nature of good and evil as it relates to "life promoting/life preserving vs life restricting/life destroying" which I had concluded was fundamental to "good vs evil."

As it was Alex and a few guests hit upon... "the moral imperative" (and opportunity this "shared reality" form of life may present) which has started to take hold within me... and then I wonder, about the discussion ya'll had with regards to practical magick - especially black magic and the calling up of demons / angels to do one's bidding. And it just struck me as so obvious that it shouldn't be avoided because of the risk it poses to one's life (or soul if they are open to such) as that is a selfish reason not to when the reason one justifies doing so is similarly selfish or, driven by one's confusion they hold the highest wisdom and thus to use such with the goal of imposing one's opinion as to what the world should be and thus hubris.

To me, the reason to disdain the use of intentional practical magickal techniques is because it is, pure and simple, cheating. It is not playing fair. And that, to me, is an ethical standard (to never cheat) that I would place very high in the set of "the good."
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Everything begins with a thought. So, when I was young (like 17) you'd get invited to all kinds of parties. So, we went to one where the guy was... interesting. At that time I thought he was amusing to watch. I mean I didn't get "involved" but he'd have childrens tombstones as coffee tables (he stole from old cemeteries), upside-down crosses in his apartment. So we'd all go listen to music. Have a laugh.

Of course, you grow up & move on. Some people don't move on! He moved on to ask us to let him & his new tribe of "worshippers" into closed state parks. Full moon & all. So I said sure. I watched his tribe so nothing weird would go down. Beautiful girls, nice boys & some older people just 1 or 2. They did their voodoo as I watched from afar. Nothing except dancing, fire & stupid chants. I'm not into that, it's stupid. But, the girls this was a hook up for them, like w/the riots. Look at a lot of the white girls with the hot pants & miniskirts. Some of them are real U G L Y. (sorry/just true).

Some of these people have nowhere to go I guess or it's just a novelty. But once you grow up for Gods sake this insanity! SPIRT DINNERS!? WTH are those people thinking? ADULTS doing this? Now, you're into crazy land.

It worked as a pickup for kids or teens but once this goes past kids being stupid.. we're onto a WHOLE other level of crazy.

I think it must be like the criminals that get into pornography... the criminals tell us in all studies, they started out small then it grew more violent to get off.

OH YES, we must study the psychopaths & sociopaths. We need to learn to spot them. They think they are smarter than us... and in the general trusting public, it must be like shooting fish in a barrel.

I'm looking real close at Gates & Fauci, something is off about both of them. We don't want to believe it is possible. But, it might be possible they are evil nut jobs. (?) Hate to judge when I don't know for sure. We surely need Alex's wife to look at Gates for us. He'd be the real problem for us. We know his sketch background but (?)......
 
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What is even scarier to discover is not all doctors have your interest at heart either. We just have to be more aggressive & assertive now. (and I used to be so nice LOL). Now I demand answers & point fingers at liars. I tell. I've made many inroads into other countries for direct information, especially Russia & Ukraine.

I'm glad David is here as well so he can tell us what he is seeing over there. I've been trying to put this COVID together it just makes no sense. A pandemic doesn't spread like this. It begins in one area & spreads. I know this came out of Wuhan after the military games. So now... it's looking to me as an "on purpose". (?)

SO, if it is an "on purpose" who gains? I'm looking more at the SWAMP now! International swamp maybe (?) But SWAMP!

Another thing and I'm not claiming to be any hero (maybe just lucky) but in Georgia, we have been running loose in our town. Nothing. Nobody is wearing any mask either. One of my neighbors has been shut in since JANUARY! She asked me what I was seeing out there! LOL... I can't imagine! Not going out at all!? We live in a forest here, gated, not like we're in the ghetto. So.. some people truly are locking themselves in. That is not healthy mentally.
I don't think this sickness happened on purpose but I definitely think the government is trying to control people, now that it's out. People being disconnected even more, affects our mental illness and immune system.
 
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What is even scarier to discover is not all doctors have your interest at heart either. We just have to be more aggressive & assertive now. (and I used to be so nice LOL). Now I demand answers & point fingers at liars. I tell. I've made many inroads into other countries for direct information, especially Russia & Ukraine.

I'm glad David is here as well so he can tell us what he is seeing over there. I've been trying to put this COVID together it just makes no sense. A pandemic doesn't spread like this. It begins in one area & spreads. I know this came out of Wuhan after the military games. So now... it's looking to me as an "on purpose". (?)

SO, if it is an "on purpose" who gains? I'm looking more at the SWAMP now! International swamp maybe (?) But SWAMP!

Another thing and I'm not claiming to be any hero (maybe just lucky) but in Georgia, we have been running loose in our town. Nothing. Nobody is wearing any mask either. One of my neighbors has been shut in since JANUARY! She asked me what I was seeing out there! LOL... I can't imagine! Not going out at all!? We live in a forest here, gated, not like we're in the ghetto. So.. some people truly are locking themselves in. That is not healthy mentally.
I’ll try to keep this to the threads topic.
I see things very differently now. I was scared of being called a conspiracy theorist but now the Elite have become so obvious in their actions. I’m a truth seeker. Unfortunately it’s awoken me to acknowledging real evil. How can you not listen to Anneke Lucas story and realise that is going on in most countries. I’m especially wary of entrenched politicians with a record of nice words with next to no good deeds. I see the patterns of control in the form of fear. The only way I see empowerment is to be as independent from the system as possible. It’s great how you’ve chosen to combat the virus. If only doctors got paid incentives for advise on how to improve your health instead of prescriptions.
 
It's funny because I believe the exact opposite. I think Trump is dangerous and he needs to get voted out. Can't you see how mentally unstable he is? He's our savior???
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YOU GOT 2 CHOICES! PICK A SIDE! He's a freakin builder from Queens. What don't you get? Yeah, we know, when he came down the escalator we all said ah hell no. BUT, he has proven to be the best we got! We don't have Mother Mary running interference for us. What are you like 12? Jesus, I'd hate to be in a fight with you on my side. Dude, life isn't fair, it's not always nice or always just a picnic. But, I'd like to survive to see the freakin sunrise tomorrow.

Here hold my hand, together we will vote for Trump. It's okay, I'm here (hums lullaby). Lay your head on my shoulder honey, I got ya:
 
I’ll try to keep this to the threads topic.
I see things very differently now. I was scared of being called a conspiracy theorist but now the Elite have become so obvious in their actions. I’m a truth seeker. Unfortunately it’s awoken me to acknowledging real evil. How can you not listen to Anneke Lucas story and realise that is going on in most countries. I’m especially wary of entrenched politicians with a record of nice words with next to no good deeds. I see the patterns of control in the form of fear. The only way I see empowerment is to be as independent from the system as possible. It’s great how you’ve chosen to combat the virus. If only doctors got paid incentives for advise on how to improve your health instead of prescriptions.
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Me too. And no I didn't want to believe it either. I knew half, but it's out of control now.
 
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YOU GOT 2 CHOICES! PICK A SIDE! He's a freakin builder from Queens. What don't you get? Yeah, we know, when he came down the escalator we all said ah hell no. BUT, he has proven to be the best we got! We don't have Mother Mary running interference for us. What are you like 12? Jesus, I'd hate to be in a fight with you on my side. Dude, life isn't fair, it's not always nice or always just a picnic. But, I'd like to survive to see the freakin sunrise tomorrow.

Here hold my hand, together we will vote for Trump. It's okay, I'm here (hums lullaby). Lay your head on my shoulder honey, I got ya:
Haha...no thank you. I'd take "Sleepy Joe" any day of the week.
 
Chris Knowles, The Descent Into Evil Thinking |450|
by Alex Tsakiris | Jun 2 | Parapsychology, Spirituality
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Chris Knowles explores the dark side of deep state dabbling with extended consciousness.
photo by: Skeptiko
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Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:21] That’s Walt from Breaking Bad finally coming to grips with the fact that his dissent into evil maybe wasn’t for the altruistic reasons he had told himself. It’s a topic we talk quite a bit about with today’s guest, the oh so excellent Chris Knowles.
To me, that speaks so much to these super patriot spooks and spies who want to tell us that they’re doing it all for us or for their country or for some other reason.
Chris Knowles: [00:00:57] It’s interesting you brought this up because this is something I’ve been thinking quite a bit about, and I think that the descent into evil, into evil thinking, it goes in steps, it’s sort of like an initiatory process, so to speak.
You’re dealing with powers that are much greater than yourself, and it’s really delusional to think that you have anything to bargain for.
If you could summon a creature that’s powerful enough to change your life or to curse somebody or whatever you think you want, what do you have to offer them?
Hi Alex, this was a very interesting interview with many topics discussed. As I was involved with remote viewing in the 90s and have of course followed it since then, I do have some observations. One is that in the intelligence community the various descriptions provided in remote viewing sessions we’re not used as standalone data but were rather looked at as supportive of more traditional information or at least needed to be supported much as possible by things that were known to be the case. Another observation is that remote viewers, like many practitioners of specialized or highly skilled tctivities, do tend to get an elevated view and opinion of themselves and so generally will let exaggerated stories about the importance of them and their activities go on without a tremendous amount of correction.

On the careful use of very specific language and implements in the practice of the magical arts, this does remind me of the role that very specific protocols and obsessive attention to many details plays in remote viewing. A good hypothesis of why this is the case is that it gives the conscious mind something to do so that another part of your mind or soul or whatever can freely go “out there“ and back without interference. This of course only works if the practitioner has confidence and or believes in the protocols so that they become wholly engaged in their execution to bring about the desired paranormal result.

So far as your great and persistent questions regarding the existence of real evil, this is something that I have been thinking about for decades and it seems to me that it comes down to just a few things that the saints and mystics and experiencers and shamans and philosophers have brought up and pointed out over and over again. Chief amongst these things is that love and compassion are very important, and if you think about it these are things that bring us together. Likewise, so many things that you discuss with your guests in the realm of extended consciousness also bring us together. That which separates us is wrong, and the more so then the more "evil" it is. A(s an aside, my problem with Grant Cameron's insistence that there is no evil, just separation, is that by leaving out free will and intent then what difference does it make if all is one? Much to discuss on that question!)

On the question of inviting evil entities, I don’t see that this is fundamentally different then interfacing with and giving in to fellow humans who are not pursuing the good. People who go down the path of growing power for the satisfaction it gives them certainly do learn how to use the most effective words and gestures, and how to play with the appearances of things so as to signal or “call in“ the kinds of humans who will help them go down those dark paths. And really, what goes on in those relationships is that the the "evil" operator reads those signals to ascertain just how gullible or hungry or damaged or what have you their new partner in evil may be so that they can best bring them farther down into the shadows.

I think nearly everything is on a continuum and that this feature of nature means we need to arrange our thoughts and how we measure things on a continuum as well, but this is not easy to do because black and white identifications provide a feeling of power, security and comfort. Like confirmation bias, all reasoning is motivated and every one of our ideas has attached to it some kind of internal, emotional valuation by which we feel or think or "know" it to be "true." This makes it psychologically all too easy to connect our egos to the "truth" and the "truth" to what is "good" and what is "good" back to our egos at the center of a mental circle. At some point in this kind of downward spiral a person loses their moral/spiritual bearings and other lost entities, human or otherwise, find their next cohort. More can be said on all this but a spoken discussion would be easier:)

Thanks for your great interviews and for not letting go of some very basic questions around consciousness and existence.
 
It sounds like remote viewing (as it was used in your era of involvement) was used as a component of an assessment that would either raise or lower the confidence rating of the conclusion(s) of an assessment.
 
Chris Knowles mentions how those who got involved with the occult came to a bad end and warns to avoid going there. I agree. God provides us with Angelic protection during our journey through life but if we, by invitation summon evil it is quite willing to accommodate us. Not much thought is required for a sensible person to soon conclude that their counter productive demonic diversion is a waste of time. They would be better to choose to garden.
 

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To me, the reason to disdain the use of intentional practical magickal techniques is because it is, pure and simple, cheating. It is not playing fair. And that, to me, is an ethical standard (to never cheat) that I would place very high in the set of "the good."
I see this kind of differently. to me, it looks like climbing the ladder to get to the top and then realizing you were leaning against the wrong wall. this is spiritual materialism... shut up and calculate... shut up and incantate :)
 
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