Chris Knowles, The Descent Into Evil Thinking |450|

Alex

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Alex, what’s your obsession with this evil thing? Did enjoy the interview though.
it's one of those things where you don't know why you're doing it until you do it. what I understand now is that evil is a lens. not the only lens, but a damn good lens for understanding extended consciousness, spirituality and how our culture has totally fumbled one of the most important questions.
 
are you of the opinion that Consciousness is a product of the brain?
I am not at all of this opinion. Instead, I'd say: consciousness is like sound, the human nervous system/body is like a violin Then we get to an interesting question: who is the musician?

really all I'm saying is that consciousness -- aka a living thing being involved in some kind of non-material dance with another living thing, dynamic phenomenon, or dynamic system, very likely has something to do with resonance, entrainment, attunement, and rhythm.

to help us in this discussion (which I really appreciate - thanks for engaging here!), I'd like to bring in Ben Davidson's work, which I discovered literally 10 minutes ago... give at least the first 30 mns of this a listen.

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/ben-davidson-pole-shifts-space-weather-earth-changes-the-cia/

maybe in order to understand consciousness it's first necessary to have some understanding of this concept of the Plasma Universe?

also the comments I've made so far are only about consciousness -- I do not know much at all about current science on memory. These two are very definitely related but I'm not 100% sure they necessarily function in the same way.
 
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I am not at all of this opinion. Instead, I'd say: consciousness is like sound, the human nervous system/body is like a violin Then we get to an interesting question: who is the musician?

really all I'm saying is that consciousness -- aka a living thing being involved in some kind of non-material dance with another living thing, dynamic phenomenon, or dynamic system, very likely has something to do with resonance, entrainment, attunement, and rhythm.
In my experience analogies often are useful only up to a point, then they break and stop being useful. But still, regarding the comparison, with sound and the violin, makes it seem you consider consciousness is dependent on something - in the same way that sound is dependent on vibrations in the air (or indeed vibrations in solid or liquid). Does that imply that in the absence of the human nervous system/body there would be no consciousness?
 

Alex

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I am not at all of this opinion. Instead, I'd say: consciousness is like sound, the human nervous system/body is like a violin Then we get to an interesting question: who is the musician?
what an awesome analogy... I've never heard it put that way.

Has a nice fit with the hive mind as well... we are the orchestra :)
 
It’s sad that we cannot trust our media, doctors and politicians.
I fear all are beholden to the dollar, Smash. Can this ever be reversed? Is more money the only thing that matters? Have qualities of person such as honesty, integrity and serving the greater good all fallen to the Tempter? What have we become? And continuing on our path, what shall be our destination? As surely as the sun shall rise, we shall live on after our release from the corpus. Surely Jesus weeps.
 
OK, I see that... but - Please, Alex... I know you like to keep things short - but please, read and respond.

Now let me share an example. Almost a year ago, my 25 year old son (middle son) accused me of a horrific crime and went to the police about it. 11 days after he had gone to the police (and I was completely unaware of any of it), he came to my home and accused me directly. I called the police, I called my lawyer, I insisted on a polygraph and, two weeks after he came to my home, I was called by a detective where I met with him the next day for an hour. My wife and step-daughter were with me and so when I came out of the interview, they told me that they saw two things on his face... that he believed me, but also, that he felt really bad for me (because this was no different than losing your son to a death). The next week I had the polygraph and passed with flying colors - the polygraph examiner is considered the #1 examiner in the state... and then, a short while after, I received a letter from the state that I had been cleared of all charges.

I e-mailed all the information to my son and... he is dug in. He is totally dug-in. He believes I scammed the polygraph somehow, he believes the police are inept... he is totally committed to his complete fantasy.

So with all that in mind, I have fantasized that somehow, someway, he would see the light, see the truth... know that he was wrong, know that what he accused me of was an impossibility, impossible for the person I am, the person he had first hand experience with for 25 years... the person who moved from another country just seven years before to help him overcome his own personal challenge that he experienced when 18 years old and faced a decade in prison for...

I just wish he would come to the knowing of the truth - that's it. And if ever I could use a "technology" that could push him towards that truth, I would want to use it. Is that "material"? Isn't prayer (and you can bet that I have prayed and prayed he simply see the truth), isn't prayer like a form of magic? If so, is that climbing the wrong wall to want my son to free himself of his own self-deception? As that is what I am motivated by. His freedom.

And so if there be a technology that triggers the open door to the truth... and that he then, by his own free will, chooses to go through that door and decide - and that technology was in the form of a magical formula... Would I be evil to attempt it?
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DAMN! That is one freaked out story! I mean my daughter wanted to say I was bad (cause I don't like her tool of a husband)... I happen to be right (he's a total tool). BUT, she wanted to "rewrite history". I've seen this before! People will start telling some nonsense & they tell it so often they begin to believe it.

However, the fact we have photos, videos & witnesses of her charmed life, well, it kind of fell flat. Even she had to come around. She at least admits her wonderful childhood.

But in your case WOW! A friend of mine is a doctor (who knew our family well) she couldn't believe what my daughter was doing. She said 2 things, 1) "let her go, she is on her own karmic path." 2) If you want it to change you have to go & pray to her past self (because this is coming from past trauma) & you're supposed to say you're sorry to that old soul for hurting it.

I never said I was sorry for nothing to that "old soul" I spent time, money & my good looks on kids! LOL (still good looking but anyway)... the point is... you are going to have to let him go. If you did nothing wrong he is really damaged. You can't fix this thing. I know, I KNOW that is going to be really hard & it's going to take a toll if you don't. You can't fix this without seeing "professionals" & he is going to go with his story.

I mean for someone to go to THAT length. That's rough. I just got yelled at! I'd be mortified and frankly freaking angry as hell if the police were called in on some kind of lie! That's bad.

That can turn into a lot more trouble than you bargained for if he believes something (REALLY/REALLY) horrible. He would blame you for his life now. Not a good look. People get killed that way.

To your Q. NO. To pray for things to work out is a good thing. "Whenever 2 or more are gathered in his name." You can pray, but if it isn't working... you have to let go. For your own sanity.

Right now there is a crisis of these 20 something kids. I have no idea why, could be the media, the times, I don't know, but a lot of parents are experiencing this. Mostly it comes in the form of ungrateful rotten kids.

They live in their parents' basements, talk smack to you, push all your buttons. So you start thinking, "Was I a bad parent?" HELL to the NO! They are using you. Thank God my kids at least have good jobs and make a lot of $$$ cause I sure as hell wouldn't want them in MY basement. Driving me nuts, demanding things, telling me I owe them. Hell no. But, a lot of parents are seeing this. You can go to youtube you will see a lot of therapist talking about some of the problems with these adult children:
 
I never believed the stuff about Gates until a few months ago. I do now.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/
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Thank you for the link Alex. We just can NOT believe this to be true. But, the evidence compels us to see. A tracker? A freaking tracker? THEN, we see the mob of protestors who have just gone insane & we think, hum, a tracker might not be such a bad idea. We have so many nuts running loose. Do you know murders are up 25% this month in N.Y.????

So we get that media blast & then we're okay... a tracker sounds fine. Talk about controlled media~ Something you never thought you'd agree with & now...
 
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DAMN! That is one freaked out story! I mean my daughter wanted to say I was bad (cause I don't like her tool of a husband)... I happen to be right (he's a total tool). BUT, she wanted to "rewrite history". I've seen this before! People will start telling some nonsense & they tell it so often they begin to believe it.

However, the fact we have photos, videos & witnesses of her charmed life, well, it kind of fell flat. Even she had to come around. She at least admits her wonderful childhood.

But in your case WOW! A friend of mine is a doctor (who knew our family well) she couldn't believe what my daughter was doing. She said 2 things, 1) "let her go, she is on her own karmic path." 2) If you want it to change you have to go & pray to her past self (because this is coming from past trauma) & you're supposed to say you're sorry to that old soul for hurting it.

I never said I was sorry for nothing to that "old soul" I spent time, money & my good looks on kids! LOL (still good looking but anyway)... the point is... you are going to have to let him go. If you did nothing wrong he is really damaged. You can't fix this thing. I know, I KNOW that is going to be really hard & it's going to take a toll if you don't. You can't fix this without seeing "professionals" & he is going to go with his story.

I mean for someone to go to THAT length. That's rough. I just got yelled at! I'd be mortified and frankly freaking angry as hell if the police were called in on some kind of lie! That's bad.

That can turn into a lot more trouble than you bargained for if he believes something (REALLY/REALLY) horrible. He would blame you for his life now. Not a good look. People get killed that way.

To your Q. NO. To pray for things to work out is a good thing. "Whenever 2 or more are gathered in his name." You can pray, but if it isn't working... you have to let go. For your own sanity.

Right now there is a crisis of these 20 something kids. I have no idea why, could be the media, the times, I don't know, but a lot of parents are experiencing this. Mostly it comes in the form of ungrateful rotten kids.

They live in their parents' basements, talk smack to you, push all your buttons. So you start thinking, "Was I a bad parent?" HELL to the NO! They are using you. Thank God my kids at least have good jobs and make a lot of $$$ cause I sure as hell wouldn't want them in MY basement. Driving me nuts, demanding things, telling me I owe them. Hell no. But, a lot of parents are seeing this. You can go to youtube you will see a lot of therapist talking about some of the problems with these adult children:
The route I have taken is as you have recommended - letting him go, lot's of prayer focused on my releasing, shoring up my faith that his soul path is his and needs not my intervention/manipulation.

Along with that was some great timing where Alex released the interview with Dr. Tom Zinser. This interview, and Zinser's Soul-Centered Healing is the path I have dove into...

This link describes what Tom does and also, describes the "grand paradigm" within which he works
Introduction to Soul-Centered Healing
https://www.soulcenteredhealing.net/introduction-to-soul-centered-healing/
 
The route I have taken is as you have recommended - letting him go, lot's of prayer focused on my releasing, shoring up my faith that his soul path is his and needs not my intervention/manipulation.

Along with that was some great timing where Alex released the interview with Dr. Tom Zinser. This interview, and Zinser's Soul-Centered Healing is the path I have dove into...

This link describes what Tom does and also, describes the "grand paradigm" within which he works
Introduction to Soul-Centered Healing
https://www.soulcenteredhealing.net/introduction-to-soul-centered-healing/
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Jordan Peterson also talks about all this.
 

Alex

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Thank you for the link Alex. We just can NOT believe this to be true. But, the evidence compels us to see. A tracker? A freaking tracker? THEN, we see the mob of protestors who have just gone insane & we think, hum, a tracker might not be such a bad idea. We have so many nuts running loose. Do you know murders are up 25% this month in N.Y.????

So we get that media blast & then we're okay... a tracker sounds fine. Talk about controlled media~ Something you never thought you'd agree with & now...
thx for the info... fact check:
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Alex, I was wondering if... we are all going down this rabbit hole with you because frankly, these are some REALLY weird times! Even my adult children are now asking, "Did you ever see this kind of stuff in your lifetime?" Like I'm 102, but I have to tell them, "no.". I remind them of WW2 & Hitler & the bombing of London & those must have been some really horrific times but this... no.

SO, here we find ourselves with a bunch of lunatics like Bill Gates who we find ourselves facing his "vaccine w/ tracker" and we have some nonsense house bill (6666) that wants to mandate tracking of people.

We have loons taking over the streets, freaks coming in like it's a free for all. The Clintons running loose, the Catholic church doing unspeakable creepiness. Our law enforcement agencies have been corrupted. Our DOJ has become not workable. Don't get any of us started on our politicians & their total uselessness to our well being (no matter WHO you are).

Then they lock everyone down (but me/I'm still running loose) but in general, nobody is supposed to go to a restaurant, the theaters are going broke, people say things online they'd never dare say to someone's face.

Apply rant from "Network". BUT, these are some odd times AND I frankly think we're under attack. I think we're at war. I don't know exactly who they are but our rights are being sold by some communist freaks or control nuts that rule the madness in Hollywood to take the minds of people and our kids! And they have invaded the schools curriculums.

Every show a Hannibal Lecter on steroids. Live killings on Facebook or the news. They don't even care anymore what they do. Fauci walks around like, Oh, it's totally normal I approved millions of $'s to some ass lab in China that NOW let loose some disease. You have to fear turning on the news. I have been tuning in & always saying, "let's see who killed who today."

SO! I think you think it's beyond fixing. So maybe you are looking for who is behind this. Like some evil force has come upon us. I can't say I disagree. I have no idea who let what loose.

But, I think maybe we are trying to get control of what has befallen all of us & feel responsible to find some kind of fix before our kids face it. I think I could take Lucifer, but man... wow, we got a fight going on here.

 
Thanks for another show. This one was a blast!

Listening to the show made me think of something that my girlfriend has challenged me on. It's related to dark forces and psychedelics. I hope it's not way off-topic since psychedelics were not discussed in the show. The post is about evil forces though.

EVIL FORCES
Knowles is recommending staying away from dark forces as he states that those forces are unable to control. Then you have some people saying that there is no evil outside yourself. Because all is One. Hence, if you experience evil, or believe this planet of ours is an evil place, you should take a look inside yourself. This sounds like you should go inside a cave and meditate instead of standing up against evil. Which sounds like a dangerous path to take. Those who will benefit from that are those doing evil.

THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT
I don't know where the idea "all is One" originally came from, but it's for sure something promoted in the New Age movement, which again is related to psychedelics. Because, when using psychedelics you feel that Oness, you "know" that all is One.

PSYCHEDELICS
I've heard from many sources that when doing psychedelics you open up to both good and evil spirits. That is why you have experiences shamans leading Ayahuasca and Peyote ceremonies, for examples. The shamans are there to control these forces. They seem to believe in forces outside yourself.

MAINSTREAM PSYCEDELICS
There seems to be evidence that the CIA played a part in promoting psychedelics in the 60s. If that is the case, you have to wonder why. I don't buy that this was unless they believed it could be used as a tool to control the big masses. Something they must have looked into in their programs like MKUltra.

ARE PSHYCEDELICS DANGEROUS?
If there are good and evil forces, and if we do open up to these forces when doing psychedelics, shouldn't we stay away from this? Even with a shaman around, can you trust him or her for being able to control these forces? And how can you trust a shaman's intentions?

Can it be that the Deep State is very interested in having people opening up on psychedelics, because they are, or think they are, in control over some of the forces that can control those opening up on psychedelics? Forces that can't as easily reach us in everyday life? Has the Deep State taken over the realm you visit when on psychedelics? Or, is psychedelics tightly related to dark forces, and always has been?

SUMMARY
It was hard to get my thoughts down on paper. Not sure how clear this became. Anyhow, to summarise all above, and making some assumptions:
Should we stay away from psychedelics since this opens us up to evil forces we can not control?
 
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Thanks for another show. This one was a blast!

Listening to the show made me think of something that my girlfriend has challenged me on. It's related to dark forces and psychedelics. I hope it's not way off-topic since psychedelics were not discussed in the show. The post is about evil forces though.

EVIL FORCES
Knowles is recommending staying away from dark forces as he states that those forces are unable to control. Then you have some people saying that there is no evil outside yourself. Because all is One. Hence, if you experience evil, or believe this planet of ours is an evil place, you should take a look inside yourself. This sounds like you should go inside a cave and meditate instead of standing up against evil. Which sounds like a dangerous path to take. Those who will benefit from that are those doing evil.

THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT
I don't know where the idea "all is One" originally came from, but it's for sure something promoted in the New Age movement, which again is related to psychedelics. Because, when using psychedelics you feel that Oness, you "know" that all is One.

PSYCHEDELICS
I've heard from many sources that when doing psychedelics you open up to both good and evil spirits. That is why you have experiences shamans leading Ayahuasca and Peyote ceremonies, for examples. The shamans are there to control these forces. They seem to believe in forces outside yourself.

MAINSTREAM PSYCEDELICS
There seems to be evidence that the CIA played a part in promoting psychedelics in the 60s. If that is the case, you have to wonder why. I don't buy that this was unless they believed it could be used as a tool to control the big masses. Something they must have looked into in their programs like MKUltra.

ARE PSHYCEDELICS DANGEROUS?
If there are good and evil forces, and if we do open up to these forces when doing psychedelics, shouldn't we stay away from this? Even with a shaman around, can you trust him or her for being able to control these forces? And how can you trust a shaman's intentions?

Can it be that the Deep State is very interested in having people opening up on psychedelics, because they are, or think they are, in control over some of the forces that can control those opening up on psychedelics? Forces that can't as easily reach us in everyday life? Has the Deep State taken over the realm you visit when on psychedelics? Or, is psychedelics tightly related to dark forces, and always has been?

SUMMARY
It was hard to get my thoughts down on paper. Not sure how clear this became. Anyhow, to summarise all above, and making some assumptions:
Should we stay away from psychedelics since this opens us up to evil forces we can not control?
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You said, "Because, when using psychedelics you feel that Oness, you "know" that all is One. "
That isn't exactly right, I mean what you feel is "everything is connected". It is.

Your final Q to "should we stay away from psychedelics" I can answer that I think. Yes & no. There are several types. Even Jordan Peterson will tell you it can be great OR it can be VERY dangerous. This depends on you & the drug you are doing. Some people freak out on grass. Others love mushrooms. LSD, eh, it's like mushrooms. Ayahuasca is freaking dangerous. First off someone you don't know makes this brew from a bunch of plants at kind of a random dose. I mean... most of this stuff is from the jungle primitives.

All our drugs (about) come from plants (someone can correct me on that) but I think the chem.s were here. Anyway, taking Ayahuasca is stupid. You get sick (and not in any good way) before you go tripping out. Why? Why would anyone need that, you can take mushrooms or LSD.

They meet THE SNAKE LADY! ohhhhh. Don't know. Don't want to know. It's a psychedelic. Just do the mushrooms in a very small dose if this is what you want to do. It is called "micro-dosing" and you can look all that up (even on youtube). You can watch people doing it & explaining it to you.

BTW, if the person taking the psychedelic was paying attention from the start. You don't need to keep doing it. People who keep doing it... are stupid or not paying attention. Now grass, you know there are all types. So you would choose which type of high you want. I'd go with the fun laughing one. I mean yeah, you can get some insights from some of them at night with the fireflies. It's cool, but then if you keep smoking it, it just well, you just shouldn't keep doing it all the time, you'll get lazy.

So, if you wanted to grow it, you'd get feminized (not auto flower). Then you'd pick what type of seed you'd like (like: https://www.nirvanashop.com/marijuana-seeds/819-aurora-indica-feminized.html )
 

Alex

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Alex, I was wondering if... we are all going down this rabbit hole with you because frankly, these are some REALLY weird times! Even my adult children are now asking, "Did you ever see this kind of stuff in your lifetime?" Like I'm 102
haha... same.

I remind them of WW2 & Hitler & the bombing of London
that's true... trauma is usually more localized:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/29-members-of-alleged-cannibal-cult-arrested-in-papua-new-guinea/
 
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You said, "Because, when using psychedelics you feel that Oness, you "know" that all is One. "
That isn't exactly right, I mean what you feel is "everything is connected". It is.

Your final Q to "should we stay away from psychedelics" I can answer that I think. Yes & no. There are several types. Even Jordan Peterson will tell you it can be great OR it can be VERY dangerous. This depends on you & the drug you are doing. Some people freak out on grass. Others love mushrooms. LSD, eh, it's like mushrooms. Ayahuasca is freaking dangerous. First off someone you don't know makes this brew from a bunch of plants at kind of a random dose. I mean... most of this stuff is from the jungle primitives.

All our drugs (about) come from plants (someone can correct me on that) but I think the chem.s were here. Anyway, taking Ayahuasca is stupid. You get sick (and not in any good way) before you go tripping out. Why? Why would anyone need that, you can take mushrooms or LSD.

They meet THE SNAKE LADY! ohhhhh. Don't know. Don't want to know. It's a psychedelic. Just do the mushrooms in a very small dose if this is what you want to do. It is called "micro-dosing" and you can look all that up (even on youtube). You can watch people doing it & explaining it to you.

BTW, if the person taking the psychedelic was paying attention from the start. You don't need to keep doing it. People who keep doing it... are stupid or not paying attention. Now grass, you know there are all types. So you would choose which type of high you want. I'd go with the fun laughing one. I mean yeah, you can get some insights from some of them at night with the fireflies. It's cool, but then if you keep smoking it, it just well, you just shouldn't keep doing it all the time, you'll get lazy.

So, if you wanted to grow it, you'd get feminized (not auto flower). Then you'd pick what type of seed you'd like (like: https://www.nirvanashop.com/marijuana-seeds/819-aurora-indica-feminized.html )
Thanks for answering.

I guess Knowles take would be to stay away from all types of psychedelics, if you believe psychedelics has some kind of powers, according to the argument he makes at 01:10:
"I mean, I’m going even so far to tell people to stay away from tarot and astrology. And not from some sort of bible bashing viewpoint but just like, if you think these things have power, if you’re not willing to devote your life to them, don’t play around with them."

I would love to hear a discussion on:
  • Why did the CIA bring psychedelics to the general publics attention? (If they did, that is).
  • Can psychedelics make people more prone to manipulation, or open them to evil?
 

Alex

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  • Why did the CIA bring psychedelics to the general publics attention? (If they did, that is).
love that question!!!

this was certainly part of it
Manufacturing the Deadhead: A Product of Social Engineering ...

but I think your question hints at greater question that may lie behind... that's what I'm interested also

Can psychedelics make people more prone to manipulation, or open them to evil?
love that one too :) I mean, I totally respect where chris is coming from, but I'm not sure we could make such blanket statements as " just say no" then again, I was expecting gordon white to have a stronger push back to this... I'm not sure the current magic / occult community is up to the challenge.

So with regard to your question what are we to make of the spirit that is reported to exist in the ayahuasca space? how about in the marijuana space?

and do we think about these differently because the plants / medicines associated with them alter our consciousness? I mean we could ask the same question about santa muerte.
 
love that question!!!

this was certainly part of it
Manufacturing the Deadhead: A Product of Social Engineering ...

but I think your question hints at greater question that may lie behind... that's what I'm interested also


love that one too :) I mean, I totally respect where chris is coming from, but I'm not sure we could make such blanket statements as " just say no" then again, I was expecting gordon white to have a stronger push back to this... I'm not sure the current magic / occult community is up to the challenge.

So with regard to your question what are we to make of the spirit that is reported to exist in the ayahuasca space? how about in the marijuana space?

and do we think about these differently because the plants / medicines associated with them alter our consciousness? I mean we could ask the same question about santa muerte.
I'm glad you liked the questions. And thanks for the link. A great article.

But yes, to use your term I would really love a "level three discussion" on this topic. I've not seen that anywhere else.
 
I just bought the Knowles book you mentioned on Kobo in ebook format. It's quite inexpensive if anybody want it. I just looked up the Kindle edition on Amazon.com and it is $3.
 

Alex

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I'm glad you liked the questions. And thanks for the link. A great article.

But yes, to use your term I would really love a "level three discussion" on this topic. I've not seen that anywhere else.
definitely! I've asked joe atwill to come back on for another interview and I'll definitely dive into this with him.
 
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