Coronavirus Pandemic

The Wuhan lab that was studying Coronavirus...
Oh and also... World Military Games 2019 was held in Wuhan starting October 18th... perfect cover for an op? With 9,308 athletes from 110 countries participating in the games... could a small team leave the reservation and conduct some mischief?

That's the exact same day as Bill's Event 201 simulated Coronavirus Pandemic, BTW.

Yes... except for the details that suggest the source of the breakout was the Wuhan lab and that "patient one" has been "postulated" and yet also, "patient one" has somehow disappeared AND been scrubbed from the lab's website... Hummmmm?


But... could this guy be a CIA contractor?

Theories, theories, theories... Micheal's point. Yet aren't many solutions found by applying theories?
 
What I don't feel as good about is when folks go beyond pointing out or considering these dissenting views to
  • use the mere presence of a dissenting view as a rationale to discredit the opposing/mainstream expert view(s)
  • default to an assertion that a conspiracy is the reason for the dissenting view not being the mainstream view (after all, it may just be wrong)
  • take a position that supports the dissenting view over the mainstream view on a technical issue beyond their own ability to discern (appeal to the authority of one's choosing)
That may sound more rational than it is. Why on earth should mainstream media force even Stanford professors to state their views at the edge of the internet? Also couldn't such people expect a reasoned reply from some of those who have hogged the limelight, and somehow stifled debate?

In reality, science has its own greasy poles - much like the political greasy poles. Just listening to the guy who has clawed his way to the top for the time being, may be a super bad strategy when the decision is really important.

David
 
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Freedom is free.
It is not something owned or own-able.
Freedom is not an OUR freedom.

At this level freedom is a truth.
You can be freedom.
Your expression can demonstrate it.

Anyway, if freedom could be owned, why would you want to have it in a lock-down state. You can't.
Because you can not own freedom. You can only express it.
But those who think freedom can be "our freedom" have already locked-down proof freedom is not with them.

Freedom exists but it can only be expressed.
 
More... Dr. Michael Pillsbury from February 18, 2020 - https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6133652303001/#sp=show-clips

also - March 12, 2020 - (featuring W.H.O.) - https://www.hudson.org/research/15814-chinese-coronavirus-cover-up

as soon as today's clip shows up on YouTube, I'll post... they both go together.

Dr. Pillsbury is stating toooo many details which, if disinfo, could be easily debunked, though further down the road. His February 18, 2020 segment seems well informed based on what we "think" we know now.

And this is yesterday's update on the Lou Dobbs show on FOX Business featuring Dr. Michael Pillsbury as I meantioned in the quoted post from yesterday - starts at 13:42... ie. this narrative is indeed going "mainstream."

 
More just in... in the US President's live "daily update" there was a question from FOX News' John Roberts regarding "reports from multiple sources" that the virus, though 'naturally occurring' originated from an accident in the Wuhan bio-lab and that the technician (patient zero) gave the virus to their partner who went to the Wuhan wet market and spread the virus from there.

Its fair to assume this is the same technician that is now "missing" and who was scrubbed from the labs website though all the other technicians are still listed.

Odds are pretty high this is how the virus "got out."

Why they were playing with such a virus... what they may have been playing with that it would jump from bats to a human is unknown but the reasonable speculations have already been heavily covered in this thread, especially by LoneShaman.

So, as an odds maker, I make odds very high that -

a.) the virus getting out was an accident

b.) that inadequate (and in hind sight, inexcusably inadequate) safety measures were in place at this lab... as evidenced by the calls from the Central Government to "beef up safety measures" at this lab right around the time most knowledgable folks believe the virus had begun to spread like wildfire and Beijing began to "clean up 'street journalist' reporting that had gone viral on the Chinese internet.

Yet there's the questions as to why the types of "researching" was going on at this lab.

Why US funding was involved.

Why the US research efforts involved international cooperation where risk of misuse or abuse of what is learned cannot be controlled.

And then, of course, is the question of... Why have US research efforts along these lines been conducted? For what gain? To see if remedies/vaccines/whatever might be developed that could be helpful if an outbreak occurs? Aren't each of these "versions" unique? Isn't there risk when tampering with these viruses that it mutates and jumps from "source animal" (like a bat) to humans? Why is anyone researching this stuff if the danger is global pandemics and hundreds of thousands, maybe millions dead?
 
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I know you didn't ask me to respond, but....

I don't think there is anything wrong with what you stated what so ever. Further, I think its good critical thinking to consider dissenting views from qualified experts. Hell, that's the old school Skeptiko mantra!!

What I don't feel as good about is when folks go beyond pointing out or considering these dissenting views to
  • use the mere presence of a dissenting view as a rationale to discredit the opposing/mainstream expert view(s)
  • default to an assertion that a conspiracy is the reason for the dissenting view not being the mainstream view (after all, it may just be wrong)
  • take a position that supports the dissenting view over the mainstream view on a technical issue beyond their own ability to discern (appeal to the authority of one's choosing)
You get the gist of it. Its one thing to be a critical thinker. Its another entirely to pretend at being a critical thinker while seeking views that confirm bias (in this case a bias for conspiratorial explanations). And to be clear, I am not suggesting you are behaving in this way. This is my general view on the topic.

Fair enough. Also, don't worry about bias. I've statistically adjusted for it and I'm still right.

Here, my final addition to this thread, it's by Dr. John Lee and sums up my personal views almost perfectly.

We are placing a huge amount of weight on modelling predictions, created with not much evidence, and untested assumptions. And in the certain knowledge that exactly this approach – the early modelling of pandemics – has been wildly wrong in its predictions before. There has been nowhere near enough discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the model being used, or about whether the direct and indirect harms caused by our response to Covid-19 may outweigh the harm caused by the virus itself.
... the fact that so many governments have jumped together, taking extraordinary actions based on modelling and prediction, is not a testament to the validity of those models. It is instead evidence of is what can happen when the emergence of a new virus interacts with science and politics in the multimedia age.
...
It is time for us to return, critically and calmly, to a rounded and robust scientific debate that generates a range of views about the severity and significance of this virus. And for our politicians to weigh these differing views extremely carefully against the clear and manifest harms of lockdown.


Source: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article...-need-evidence-scepticism-and-vigorous-debate

Stay healthy, stay safe, and, above all, STAY INDOORS!
 
Fair enough. Also, don't worry about bias. I've statistically adjusted for it and I'm still right.

Here, my final addition to this thread, it's by Dr. John Lee and sums up my personal views almost perfectly.

We are placing a huge amount of weight on modelling predictions, created with not much evidence, and untested assumptions. And in the certain knowledge that exactly this approach – the early modelling of pandemics – has been wildly wrong in its predictions before. There has been nowhere near enough discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the model being used, or about whether the direct and indirect harms caused by our response to Covid-19 may outweigh the harm caused by the virus itself.
... the fact that so many governments have jumped together, taking extraordinary actions based on modelling and prediction, is not a testament to the validity of those models. It is instead evidence of is what can happen when the emergence of a new virus interacts with science and politics in the multimedia age.
...
It is time for us to return, critically and calmly, to a rounded and robust scientific debate that generates a range of views about the severity and significance of this virus. And for our politicians to weigh these differing views extremely carefully against the clear and manifest harms of lockdown.


Source: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article...-need-evidence-scepticism-and-vigorous-debate

Stay healthy, stay safe, and, above all, STAY INDOORS!
My view is that various branches of science have gone rogue in recent years.

1) Often they depend on computer models which are, almost inevitably too complex to validate. These models can be used to put out all sorts of graphics, and are thus far more persuasive than they deserve to be. Ordinary software has to be de-bugged using known test cases of one kind or another. It is rare indeed to write a program of any size that doesn't need this phase. How do you debug computer models?

2) Because science has become a cut throat climb of the greasy pole, all sorts of muddle headed ideas become prominent just because the author has clout. Very little attempt is made to discuss important areas of science (important to humans) in public. Even when I was working post doc, I saw some of this, but it affected issues that were of no direct importance to anyone outside the subject. This problem has simply spread and spread, so that academic advice on the ways to handle the pandemic are useless. Advice which varies from one specialist to another, is almost by definition useless.

3) Unfortunately scientists have increasingly competed to grab media slots by making extreme claims. This supplies publicity to the institution where they work, and feeds back into approval of those views and disapproval of alternative, more cautious ideas. Feedback of this sort seems to have created the "Climate Catastrophe":

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2019/09/a-climate-modeller-spills-the-beans/
In medicine, the feedback loops are often driven by grants from pharmaceutical companies to scientists who promote ideas that result in more of their products being used.

4) The real truth is that while it is possible to make detailed predictions in systems that are simple and well defined (and where chaos does not mess things up), scientists make all kinds of predictions, and cross their fingers that reality backs them up, or think of excuses if it does not.

5) When the media want to 'prove' an idea, they implicitly bribe scientists with the offer of free publicity, if they come up with 'scientific evidence', which is almost invariably presented as if it came from all scientists.

This cult of crap science is now a real danger to civilisation. If there is one outcome from this mess, I hope it finally crashes everyone's belief in modern science (results that emerged 100 or more years ago are far more reliable).

David
 
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This is becoming a very difficult discussion, because I am quoting medical fold, and you are quoting your brother!

However, I do have something to say about the above phrase. The problem that many doctors are saying, is that the average age of people dying of COVID-19 is close to 80 (I can quote research showing that) and a large majority have other serious problems. I would hope that nobody that is, in effect, already dying, is kept alive for a while on a ventilator just because they test positive for COVID-19.

To put this into perspective, a fiend of mine told me how his wife died. She had been slowly losing her battle with cancer, and had had a large number of rounds of chemo. Then they both got some sort of bug, and while he threw it off, she ended up in hospital with pneumonia and on oxygen. At some point a nurse suggested it might be an idea to take her off oxygen and let nature take its course. They had been childhood sweethearts, and he watched as she gasped and died.

Now if she had tested positive, would she have ended up on a ventilator - which would not seem to be a very compassionate thing to do.

David

I am not so much quoting my brother as relaying information I think might be helpful - and he happens to write it. He just happens to know what he's talking about.
 
To be honest, I fail to see how pointing out the dissenting views of highly qualified (in the medical, economic and law fields), generally marginalized, experts counts as being a narcissistic, idiotic, BS peddling wanker? Or maybe I'm misreading you?
You are misreading me. Pointing out dissenting views is fine so long as there is good purpose to doing so. At present experts are dissenting in what seems to be an atmosphere of general collective desire for truth. Generally speaking a lay audience will not grasp the finer points of argument, so it is hard to figure out the value of some arguments.

I draw a distinction between conversations between people who know enough about a theme to have what amounts to an 'inside sports' discussion and this seeking to build conspiracy theories. One conversation has limited public value and the other has none.

What I am reacting to is the mass of ill-informed trolling nonsense that pushes conspiracy theories and negative destructive commentary that further distrust and fear. When polls show 1/3 of American respondents believe the virus was manufactured there is a real problem of destructive misinformation.

I have no issue at all with conversations that are genuinely about trying to understand what is going on. This is a serious crisis and not time to go blurting garbage. Its not time for paranoid ranting and talking up dissent against the best efforts to contain the spread of the virus because of idiotic conspiracy theories.

If I am being attacked by a dog I don't to be distracted into a debate about the breed of the dog, who owns it or its motive for attacking me. To the extent that those questions have any merit they can wait until I can get the dog to stop trying to eat me.

If the virus was engineered by rogue CIA scientists funded by George Soros and malevolent ETs and shipped to China and let loose as part of plot to depopulate the planet it would not matter a damn right now. The next stupid claim will be that a cabal of archons and the deep state already have a vaccine - just wait. None of this helps deal with what is happening and only makes it worse. There are times when it is okay to be a perverse destructive dick -and now is not that time.

You may think that it is harmless to peddle stupid conspiratorial crap, but people who believe this garbage may lose their jobs, go home, get drunk or stoned and then angry and then beat up their partners and children. Calls to domestic violence lines here have increased massively. Kids who had some safe time going to school are now home with violent and abusive adults. Psychological distress is increasing massively. A lot of people are deep in shit and filling them with fear and anger just makes things worse.

We all have to stop being assholes and be caring and compassionate. I have zero tolerance for pointless harmful crap. In my job I see how much damage it does.
 
We all have to stop being assholes and be caring and compassionate. I have zero tolerance for pointless harmful crap. In my job I see how much damage it does.

The bravest (and most difficult) expression of love is when one says, "No... no more... I will no longer support your self destructive behaviors... I will no longer support your behaviors that, by example, harm others. If losing my support places you in a position your current physical being finds it more difficult to continue, perhaps that's the opportunity (and challenge) your soul needs for the initiation of growth."

This is my complete and unwavering position and, IMO, points out the actual, real, underlying choice each have to make.

The recent pages on this thread make it all very clear. You either see yourself as finite (and death is the end of your road) or, you see yourself as that which death of the physical body is simply a transition point.

One view holds hope, the other is hopeless.

You can only pick one.
 
You are misreading me. Pointing out dissenting views is fine so long as there is good purpose to doing so. At present experts are dissenting in what seems to be an atmosphere of general collective desire for truth. Generally speaking a lay audience will not grasp the finer points of argument, so it is hard to figure out the value of some arguments.

I draw a distinction between conversations between people who know enough about a theme to have what amounts to an 'inside sports' discussion and this seeking to build conspiracy theories. One conversation has limited public value and the other has none.

What I am reacting to is the mass of ill-informed trolling nonsense that pushes conspiracy theories and negative destructive commentary that further distrust and fear. When polls show 1/3 of American respondents believe the virus was manufactured there is a real problem of destructive misinformation.

I have no issue at all with conversations that are genuinely about trying to understand what is going on. This is a serious crisis and not time to go blurting garbage. Its not time for paranoid ranting and talking up dissent against the best efforts to contain the spread of the virus because of idiotic conspiracy theories.

If I am being attacked by a dog I don't to be distracted into a debate about the breed of the dog, who owns it or its motive for attacking me. To the extent that those questions have any merit they can wait until I can get the dog to stop trying to eat me.

If the virus was engineered by rogue CIA scientists funded by George Soros and malevolent ETs and shipped to China and let loose as part of plot to depopulate the planet it would not matter a damn right now. The next stupid claim will be that a cabal of archons and the deep state already have a vaccine - just wait. None of this helps deal with what is happening and only makes it worse. There are times when it is okay to be a perverse destructive dick -and now is not that time.

You may think that it is harmless to peddle stupid conspiratorial crap, but people who believe this garbage may lose their jobs, go home, get drunk or stoned and then angry and then beat up their partners and children. Calls to domestic violence lines here have increased massively. Kids who had some safe time going to school are now home with violent and abusive adults. Psychological distress is increasing massively. A lot of people are deep in shit and filling them with fear and anger just makes things worse.

We all have to stop being assholes and be caring and compassionate. I have zero tolerance for pointless harmful crap. In my job I see how much damage it does.
It is rough in a bad day to see the caring and compassion which might actually be there.
Rough days are damned rough sometimes.
 
The bravest (and most difficult) expression of love is when one says, "No... no more... I will no longer support your self destructive behaviors... I will no longer support your behaviors that, by example, harm others. If losing my support places you in a position your current physical being finds it more difficult to continue, perhaps that's the opportunity (and challenge) your soul needs for the initiation of growth."

This is my complete and unwavering position and, IMO, points out the actual, real, underlying choice each have to make.

The recent pages on this thread make it all very clear. You either see yourself as finite (and death is the end of your road) or, you see yourself as that which death of the physical body is simply a transition point.

One view holds hope, the other is hopeless.

You can only pick one.
At first I thought this above post was unnecessarily harsh.... but then I see the black and white in it.
It's the grey areas that make some rough going most times, so, when it is that it is black or white it has that comfort in it.
 
You are misreading me. Pointing out dissenting views is fine so long as there is good purpose to doing so. At present experts are dissenting in what seems to be an atmosphere of general collective desire for truth. Generally speaking a lay audience will not grasp the finer points of argument, so it is hard to figure out the value of some arguments.
I don't think that applies to anything I have written on this subject. I am keen to point out that the advice that is being given - that is wrecking our economies with consequences we can only guess at - is at one extreme of a range of scientific advice. I am also keen to point out that the death toll incorporates an unknown percentage of people who were in fact dying of their co-morbidities.
I draw a distinction between conversations between people who know enough about a theme to have what amounts to an 'inside sports' discussion and this seeking to build conspiracy theories. One conversation has limited public value and the other has none.

What I am reacting to is the mass of ill-informed trolling nonsense that pushes conspiracy theories and negative destructive commentary that further distrust and fear. When polls show 1/3 of American respondents believe the virus was manufactured there is a real problem of destructive misinformation.
Fox News is now suggesting that what happened was not a military virus release, but was that a Chinese lab was competing with the US on some research to explore various bat/human viruses. One of these escaped because the the Chinese lab (situated in or near to Wuhan) and spread. The Chinese then tried to cover up. I.e. it wasn't a conspiracy to start this pandemic, but a cover-up was involved.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6149934580001/

I have no issue at all with conversations that are genuinely about trying to understand what is going on. This is a serious crisis and not time to go blurting garbage. Its not time for paranoid ranting and talking up dissent against the best efforts to contain the spread of the virus because of idiotic conspiracy theories.
Who exactly is spouting idiot conspiracy theories? As far as I can see, LS essentially gave us advance knowledge of what is now coming out.
If I am being attacked by a dog I don't to be distracted into a debate about the breed of the dog, who owns it or its motive for attacking me. To the extent that those questions have any merit they can wait until I can get the dog to stop trying to eat me.

If the virus was engineered by rogue CIA scientists funded by George Soros and malevolent ETs and shipped to China and let loose as part of plot to depopulate the planet it would not matter a damn right now. The next stupid claim will be that a cabal of archons and the deep state already have a vaccine - just wait. None of this helps deal with what is happening and only makes it worse. There are times when it is okay to be a perverse destructive dick -and now is not that time.
Has anyone here suggested such a thing?
You may think that it is harmless to peddle stupid conspiratorial crap, but people who believe this garbage may lose their jobs, go home, get drunk or stoned and then angry and then beat up their partners and children. Calls to domestic violence lines here have increased massively. Kids who had some safe time going to school are now home with violent and abusive adults. Psychological distress is increasing massively. A lot of people are deep in shit and filling them with fear and anger just makes things worse.

We all have to stop being assholes and be caring and compassionate. I have zero tolerance for pointless harmful crap. In my job I see how much damage it does.
Honestly Michael, if you think a post on this website deserves that description, please report it. I'll still consider the report if it turns out to be one of my posts!

Perhaps I should add, that your brother is indirectly in this discussion, and I have suggested to you by PM that he either joins Skeptiko or you lend him your password so that he can post here (provided he makes it clear that it is him posting). I know he is a busy man, but if he has time to engage in an email discussion, he might as well do it publicly here on the forum.

David
 
Who exactly is spouting idiot conspiracy theories? As far as I can see, LS essentially gave us advance knowledge of what is now coming out.

Has anyone here suggested such a thing?

Thank you David.
No one has claimed such a things, although it's obvious who had inspired such a straw man argument. I bring my perspective and immediately get flack for it. Of which I found offensive but did not take it to heart and hopefully responded calmly without the same diatribe. True we all have to stop being assholes, I just hope it is recognized when we are being such. I don't think it is readily apparent. I certainly felt like I was being addressed by assholes. True or not it is how I felt. I also will say I hold no animosity.

Honestly Michael, if you think a post on this website deserves that description, please report it. I'll still consider the report if it turns out to be one of my posts!

No, it is not wild conspiracy theories that are promoting fear and anxiety or causing a increase in domestic violence. Just because there is a crazy conspiracy about flat earth does not make the average reasonable rational person stop sailing in case of sailing of the edge of the Earth!

Indeed crazy conspiracy theories may further unbalance the already unbalanced. But it is not those things afflicting the average person today.
It is the media and the grossly inaccurate models from professionals predicting millions of death as well as the draconian measures that have been imposed on us that has caused such psychological distress. All of which is detrimental to a healthy immune system btw.

What nonsense. Give people some credit in judging things for themselves, if such theories hold no water then trust the average intelligence can see through them. Although it seems because of conditioning the average intelligence seems also to have difficulty in separating what has value based on evidence and what doesn't simply because of an imposed stigma. Because now it seems multiple governments are seriously involved in investigating so called nonsense conspiracy theories.

We already know China has been covering up from the start regardless of the source. This is undeniable, Yes a cover up is actually a conspiracy!!

Yet as the WMD president once said "let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories". I hope the irony is evident in that statement. :)
 
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I am keen to point out that the advice that is being given - that is wrecking our economies with consequences we can only guess at - is at one extreme of a range of scientific advice. I am also keen to point out that the death toll incorporates an unknown percentage of people who were in fact dying of their co-morbidities.
Again, your bias comes SHINING through. You readily question the supposed mainstream, expert advice on COVID-19 but take at face value some generic sources (if sources at all?) regarding the "wrecking of economies with consequences we can only guess at". Where's your evidence for the latter? Are there dissenting opinions from experts with differing views?

No David, you come at this thing with a preconceived notion. The only evidence I see you embrace is evidence that supports your distrust of the science and government. Again, but we'll accept economists at face value? Many economists think the potential for a rapid recovery is quite likely depending on certain factors. Point here is that the economic despair story has not yet been written.

Its just as easy to brush off those suffering the most from the economic distress as being predisposed for such suffering. Akin to the co-morbidities and related mantra of "its older people most affected who were going to die soon anyway".

The hypocrisy is almost comical were it not so serious as Michael as pointed out.

Has anyone here suggested such a thing?
Sure. Look for any of the references to the evil Bill Gates and his dastardly plan for world domination through vaccines.

Honestly Michael, if you think a post on this website deserves that description, please report it. I'll still consider the report if it turns out to be one of my posts!
Clearly David, you are not seeing the tone of this thread through the same lens as some of us. (Part of what makes you a bit of an enigma as a moderator is your DEEPLY held opinions on so many topics. The Trump thread is an elementary example as you'd never have suffered through that nonsense were it a "Hillary Consciousness" thread.)

I can see it quite clearly. Michael's posts indicate he sees it. And its not just here, its mainstream and its concerning.
 
Again, your bias comes SHINING through. You readily question the supposed mainstream, expert advice on COVID-19 but take at face value some generic sources (if sources at all?) regarding the "wrecking of economies with consequences we can only guess at". Where's your evidence for the latter? Are there dissenting opinions from experts with differing views?

No David, you come at this thing with a preconceived notion. The only evidence I see you embrace is evidence that supports your distrust of the science and government. Again, but we'll accept economists at face value? Many economists think the potential for a rapid recovery is quite likely depending on certain factors. Point here is that the economic despair story has not yet been written.

Its just as easy to brush off those suffering the most from the economic distress as being predisposed for such suffering. Akin to the co-morbidities and related mantra of "its older people most affected who were going to die soon anyway".

The hypocrisy is almost comical were it not so serious as Michael as pointed out.


Sure. Look for any of the references to the evil Bill Gates and his dastardly plan for world domination through vaccines.


Clearly David, you are not seeing the tone of this thread through the same lens as some of us. (Part of what makes you a bit of an enigma as a moderator is your DEEPLY held opinions on so many topics. The Trump thread is an elementary example as you'd never have suffered through that nonsense were it a "Hillary Consciousness" thread.)

I can see it quite clearly. Michael's posts indicate he sees it. And its not just here, its mainstream and its concerning.
Well sure, I quote all sorts of nobodies, like this guy for example:

https://profiles.stanford.edu/jay-bhattacharya

I quote from websites that link to key named people who are at top of their game. Another nobody that I have quoted is

https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis

If you dislike a post of mine, I suggest you report it (yes I know I will be the one to review it) with a specific complaint or back off.

David
 
Guess what's starting to get "batted around?"

That "the researcher" (Patient ZERO) didn't "accidentally" get the virus.

For example - see 12 Monkeys

consider - Germanwings Flight 9525

what's also be floated is the back channel chatter that suggests it may not have been only a mass murder-suicide...

but that it was a suicide mission based on idealogically driven geo-political goals.

and this leads to the possibility of an MK Ultra, Sirhan Sirhan triggered event

...all the above, admittedly theoretical. Though the timing is interesting as China is a week or so away from the first "Trade Deal" deadline.

and the fact that I posted all the above suggests it may be "I" who is the "agent" of an MK Ultra program.
 
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I read this yesterday somewhere (thought it was wikipedia) and now can't find it but...

With a typical Corona Virus infection a person produces anti-bodies that offer some immunity for about a year. But immunity wears off after that.

So Bill Gates picked a great virus for his plan... he can profit from 7 billion vaccines... per year... or maybe multiple times per year... every year.

And compliance with vaccination requirements will not merely be a one-time thing... you'll have to come in regularly to stay up to date on your Corona shots and get your ID chip updated.


In other news... Austin Texas had a small (~100 to 150 people) rally today at the capital which we attended.

About 1/4 of the participants were just there to say they want their jobs back and were anti-InfoWars and anti-conspiracy theory. I think most of the rest were there because they heard about the protest through InfoWars. There was one super kooky guy who kept blowing the shofar and leading everyone in prayer for Alex Jones.

Some people were pissed off at Bill Gates. Some people were pissed off that they were making this protest about conspiracy theories when they just want to tell the Governor that they want their jobs back.

I'm glad people came out, but it was a pretty sad resistance movement really.

There is an order mandating people stay in their homes unless conducting essential business, and if you MUST go out, you must wear a mask in public. Not complying with that... Lots of others aren't either. So far they aren't enforcing it.
 
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