Coronavirus Pandemic

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Of course you are right Diverdown. I usually do stay if not to laugh then to maybe show someone something... I don't know, with all the crazy going on right now, we don't need communist or socialist helpers. Dim wits, loons & freaks... hum, liars, dirtbags, weirdos and nut jobs.

I mean I can put up with them (kind of) but when you get a combo liar, manipulator & people who talk out of both sides of their mouth & have nothing to help. Eh, I get miffed.

I used to be heavily involved in a forum/group that dealt with the work of Gurdieff, Mouravieff, Ouspensky and the Forth Way. They practiced an extreme version of keeping these types out, so much so, that adherence to the leader was demanded; any contra opinion was silenced and you were asked to leave the forum if you didn't agree with the consensus. Funnily enough, I remember one time that one person had an opinion on something that basically set off a 'bomb', and members flooded into to condemn them for such a vile viewpoint. Couple years later I went back as a curiosity to find that this view point was endorsed by the group!

So I'm extremely weary of any group think; we are all subject to it, and it's why I keep a part of myself free, to 'self observe' my machine as Gurdjieff would say!

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy getting stuck right in of course......
 
What specifically triggered you? I don’t think there’s anything that outrageous in my position. As you can see if you read through this thread I’ve been confused by the data, conflicted, and reflective of my position. Like all of us.

I get it, this pandemic is scary and there really are no easy answers currently. A vaccine may help, but I have low confidence in anything satisfactory any time soon.

Maybe you just need a cuddle or something? C’mon big guy, let it out... There you go.

If you’re still reading, I’d lay down the same challenge to you: As a leader of a country what would you have done in say, mid feb? If that seems like too much homework, it might be easier if you point to a world government that you think performed well. Remember, you have to balance health, economy and the prospect of getting re-elected
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I LOVE IT! "Big guy" yeah that's me you read me so very well. LOL Come give me a kiss buttercup. yuck.

Jesus February? Hum, well I was watching this before it made news. What I was seeing out of China was pretty terrifying. So one of two things happened... either that was some kind of psyop (?) don't know about those or how well a country the size of China could pull it off. OR it was something else entirely.

Cause what I saw in the feeds (and these were in hospitals, morgues, air samples & entire towns/villages) what they had going on there in 2019 was pretty ghastly. I mean they were putting 3 to a body bag & some were alive. Not shocking for China. But the people were of military age mostly. Some old, didn't see babies.. saw some kids. But mostly military age.

So, now I have to believe my own intellegence (which lied to me about WMD's & other things).... wow, it's going to be a balancing act. I for sure was glad Trump put the ban on China travel. That was key & also THAT took a lot of bravery on his part.

I'm working with foresight here... well our Gov. Kemp (who I like) just said this is all BS & we're not doing it. He pretty much kept us open. Which was the right move for us anyway....

Right now I know what I'd do. Open. But February... from what I know now, it was already here...knowing what I know about coronavirus this one is different/they all are but they are common.

Okay, knowing what I knew only in Feb. I would have immediately shut down ALL travel, allowing my citizens to come home, all others leave (or shelter in place) but nobody comes in. Prob. 3-5 weeks. Total shut down. That would be horrific... nobody has food. Guess I better give everyone 24 hours. Tell them anyone out past 48 is still fine, but go at your own risk & after 48, you get the bums rush.

Knowing what I know now...shut down all incoming flights except citizens of this country can return. Ask all non essential workers to shelter in place. For 3 weeks. At most 4. Then release the hounds.

It's already mutated a few times. We're never getting rid of it, one way or the other (coming again from China) it will come again. Many will. UNLESS and this is major if they find a way to get rid of a virus.. that would actually change a lot of medicine. They haven't been able to do it so far realistically once you got it... so... if they find a cure... that will be the wow moment of history.

NOW, get off my lap, you're heavy (start eating more fruit & vegetables or something).

Oh yes, came back to add, I would also have told the public about UV lights in the home & would have started that with the respirators. I think the UV lights would have done a lot more for the G.P. than the respirators. We've had them for years, they are the best thing you can have for your home. We also used them in our salt tank. Fish that used to die, suddenly flourished. I used to catch my own tropicals in the Keys, many years ago, so I researched the water filtration UV lights. Fantastic.
 
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I used to be heavily involved in a forum/group that dealt with the work of Gurdieff, Mouravieff, Ouspensky and the Forth Way. They practiced an extreme version of keeping these types out, so much so, that adherence to the leader was demanded; any contra opinion was silenced and you were asked to leave the forum if you didn't agree with the consensus. Funnily enough, I remember one time that one person had an opinion on something that basically set off a 'bomb', and members flooded into to condemn them for such a vile viewpoint. Couple years later I went back as a curiosity to find that this view point was endorsed by the group!

So I'm extremely weary of any group think; we are all subject to it, and it's why I keep a part of myself free, to 'self observe' my machine as Gurdjieff would say!

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy getting stuck right in of course......
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um hum, I've been in groups where they actually threatened people. UNFORTUNATELY, people who do that are actually cowards. So, when all of a sudden they picked up the phone & I was there... LOL Talk about shock & awe. "Hey I said, you seemed to have wanted my attention, now you got it". HA HA HA, but I only did it to really terrible people who threatened other peoples family & lives. They would run off so fast, they were terrified I could actually find them.

I try to remind myself the evil people are not 100% evil.. sometimes they are good. Except of course real monsters, those can't be helped.... ever.
 
I don’t know what you want me to say... I’ve already said I was happy with losing some boomers and some sick people (two groups that bore me greatly) and letting the virus rip through.
That was elegantly put, but yes, old people become delicate,and die from diseases that younger people shrug off - that is part of getting older. Maybe you are starting to see the light here. It is one thing to protect older people as much as possible, it is quite another to try to restructure society to keep them safe.

For example, I like to ride my push bike on tracks where cars and motorbikes are not permitted. Maybe some people my age would be safer on a bike if everyone was restricted by a speed limit of 5 mph - breaking a hip can kill, you know. However, it would be absurd to impose a cycle speed limit for this reason. OTH lack of exercise also kills - locking people indoors is not a safe option either. Older people (or those with comorbidities) need to feel free to engage with the rest of society to whatever level they feel safe, but not to expect younger or more healthy people to be restricted to suit them. In COVID terms, we should give people advice about protecting themselves from the virus, and then leave it at that.

Fast battery powered bikes are another matter however!
There would of course be large swathes of people then demanding that governments should’ve done more. They were damned either way.
I think governments that put out warnings but didn't remove our basic liberties - as happened in Sweden - would have commanded much greater respect. As it is, you can already see politicians boasting about how toughly they would impose the rules.

David
 
Examine these bolded sentences, compare them to each other, and then look at all the evidence for heads and human spirit getting smashed. You are contradicting yourself.
I guess the question is how wide spread are these more draconian measures? They aren't in my community in the U.S. nor are people getting locked up for six months anywhere in the U.S. I think we have to be measured here before declaring tyranny. Vigilant? Most certainly, but measured too.

After all we've had times like these in the past when freedoms were temporarily curtailed to serve a greater, communal good. People were getting arrested and issued fines for not wearing masks in San Francisco during the Spanish Flu. It wasn't permanent.
 

So very predictably, expertocracy - the integral part of the power elites - is now trying to "psychologise" and pathologise anyone not buying to the Covid-1984 infodemic and thus actively refusing to submit to the oppressive measures enacted by these power elites. As they always do...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/colle...zed-as-psychopaths-is-it-a-witch-hunt/5722151

Sometimes I just wonder what happens in the minds of the human beings organising and perpetuating all this nightmare. Maybe they sincerely believe themselves to be the mankind's benefactors, destined to save people from themselves, to relieve them from the heavy burden of freedom that they cosider to be unbearable to anyone but a few exceptional types like themselves? Or maybe they just want to obtain and maintain power, wealth and fame, only for themselves, being simply indifferent to the personhood of others? Or maybe - I very much dislike such possibility, but I can't discard it as well - they are miserable souls being literally possessed and used as instruments by some deeply malevolent spiritual entities, who are consciously willing to enslave and torture other conscious beings within a perpetual totalitarian nightmare devised and created by them?
 
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That was elegantly put, but yes, old people become delicate,and die from diseases that younger people shrug off - that is part of getting older. Maybe you are starting to see the light here. It is one thing to protect older people as much as possible, it is quite another to try to restructure society to keep them safe.

For example, I like to ride my push bike on tracks where cars and motorbikes are not permitted. Maybe some people my age would be safer on a bike if everyone was restricted by a speed limit of 5 mph - breaking a hip can kill, you know. However, it would be absurd to impose a cycle speed limit for this reason. OTH lack of exercise also kills - locking people indoors is not a safe option either. Older people (or those with comorbidities) need to feel free to engage with the rest of society to whatever level they feel safe, but not to expect younger or more healthy people to be restricted to suit them. In COVID terms, we should give people advice about protecting themselves from the virus, and then leave it at that.

Fast battery powered bikes are another matter however!

I think governments that put out warnings but didn't remove our basic liberties - as happened in Sweden - would have commanded much greater respect. As it is, you can already see politicians boasting about how toughly they would impose the rules.

David
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David you are the sweetest person. Love you. That you were kind enough to reply to someone who knew there were older people on here by saying "let them die". The rest of us ignored that because the replies would have been so harsh... This is just another reason why I love you David, you are so kind in the face of ignorance & malice.
 
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David you are the sweetest person. Love you. That you were kind enough to reply to someone who knew there were older people on here by saying "let them die". The rest of us ignored that because the replies would have been so harsh... This is just another reason why I love you David, you are so kind in the face of ignorance & malice.

Maybe I was a teensy bit provocative in the post, and it doesn’t reflect my sweet nature to its fullest.

However, you are advocating the same approach and you need to ‘own’ it. Being realistic and honest with the options may be the only way to win over public support.

We may be living through a real life trolley problem but, for political nervousness, countries keep pulling the wrong point switch.
 
So very predictably, expertocracy - the integral part of the power elites - is now trying to "psychologise" and pathologise anyone not buying to the Covid-1984 infodemic and thus actively refusing to submit to the oppressive measures enacted by these power elites. As they always do...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/colle...zed-as-psychopaths-is-it-a-witch-hunt/5722151

Sometimes I just wonder what happens in the minds of the human beings organising and perpetuating all this nightmare. Maybe they sincerely believe themselves to be the mankind's benefactors, destined to save people from themselves, to relieve them from the heavy burden of freedom that they cosider to be unbearable to anyone but a few exceptional types like themselves? Or maybe they just want to obtain and maintain power, wealth and fame, only for themselves, being simply indifferent to the personhood of others? Or maybe - I very much dislike such possibility, but I can't discard it as well - they are miserable souls being literally possessed and used as instruments by some deeply malevolent spiritual entities, who are consciously willing to enslave and torture other conscious beings within a perpetual totalitarian nightmare devised and created by them?
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"they are miserable souls being literally possessed and used as instruments by some deeply malevolent spiritual entities, who are consciously willing to enslave and torture other conscious beings within a perpetual totalitarian nightmare devised and created by them?[/QUOTE]"

^ That idea also came new to me this year, because I don't always believe in voodoo... but they sure do act possessed.

But, I think it might be more like "
psy·cho·path
noun
1. a person suffering from a chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

OR
so·ci·o·path
noun
  1. a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
 
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"they are miserable souls being literally possessed and used as instruments by some deeply malevolent spiritual entities, who are consciously willing to enslave and torture other conscious beings within a perpetual totalitarian nightmare devised and created by them?
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^ That idea also came new to me this year, because I don't always believe in voodoo... but they sure do act possessed.

But, I think it might be more like "
psy·cho·path
noun
1. a person suffering from a chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

OR
so·ci·o·path
noun
  1. a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
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Imagine Gates for example & his family background, his rise to power. His father was 6'7" he is 5'10" not totally a Neapolitan complex. We're going to need an expert in this field! We'd have to do a life review of this man & his wife who I'm real sure is in the mix. Everything I've read about his history tells me "beware of this man."
 
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"they are miserable souls being literally possessed and used as instruments by some deeply malevolent spiritual entities, who are consciously willing to enslave and torture other conscious beings within a perpetual totalitarian nightmare devised and created by them?"

^ That idea also came new to me this year, because I don't always believe in voodoo... but they sure do act possessed.

But, I think it might be more like "
psy·cho·path
noun
1. a person suffering from a chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior.

OR
so·ci·o·path
noun
  1. a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
One need not invoke psychopaths and demons. Just regular human traits.

I am persuaded that the motivation is a combination of compassion for the ‘at risk‘ groups (approx 25%) and a desire to get elected / re-elected (approx 75%).
 
Maybe I was a teensy bit provocative in the post, and it doesn’t reflect my sweet nature to its fullest.

However, you are advocating the same approach and you need to ‘own’ it. Being realistic and honest with the options may be the only way to win over public support.

We may be living through a real life trolley problem but, for political nervousness, countries keep pulling the wrong point switch.
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Major difference Buckaroo, some people really ARE tools, they make no real contributions or show kindness (your "reflect my sweet nature to its fullest."). No sweetheart you did show your true nature in many ways.

What you are is a major manipulator. Of course, you are on the older side & slipping or you are just honing your skillset. It's not just that but you can easily see who you are in writings, I'm sure you're much better skilled in person.

You silly boy, your bitterness is showing.
 
One need not invoke psychopaths and demons. Just regular human traits.

I am persuaded that the motivation is a combination of compassion for the ‘at risk‘ groups (approx 25%) and a desire to get elected / re-elected (approx 75%).
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HUMAN TRAITS! Who the hell have YOU been hanging out with? Does your social circle act like that? Has the power to act like that? LOL, I don't think so. Dude, you must be young, nobody could be that foolish. I'm done here.
 
The only good intention is to strengthen the species overall.

Earlier you said a 1% culling of the weakest wouldn't be a bad thing... Only problem is that the older folks aren't going to pass on their genes at this point anyway. I mean killing off those on medicare might help the U.S. financial situation, but I think at this point it is a lost cause.

Anyway, what do you propose as a better final solution? Some might support a nuclear war... the only problem with nuclear war (and industrialized war in general) is that it is too indiscriminate. It doesn't really select for the smartest and strongest... and in fact it is likely to kill off the cream in the cities while the toothless flyover country citizens survive. So nuclear war isn't the best.

If we are going to do a good job of culling the human herd (and we do need to cut it by 80%) it needs to be done with hand to hand combat. Guns make things too easy. I mean look at what happened last night in Kenosha... that pipsqueak with an AR-15 killed off several assailants that were genetically more fit than him. So guns have to go. Let everyone fashion their own weapons, but nothing from the industrialized era.

It will be rough going for a few years, but in a couple of generations the species will be strengthened overall. We'll then need to re-boot the social programs for empathy... develop a new Christ-figure and whatnot.
 
Do I get extra points for recognizing it was an IQ test from the beginning?

Then I must win the largest handful of extra points, since it was clear to me that it is a planetary-scale psy-op... or, more precisely, several mutually empowering psy-ops, merging into raging transnational hysteria; psy-ops conducted by different global and local elite groups.

This is what is crucial to understand: there is, in fact, no need for some kind of singular world-spinning mega-conspiracy to ignite and maintain something like the current infodemic. What is needed is the common interest shared by all elite groups, global and local alike, across the globe, despite all the conflicts and contradictions such gropus have between themselves - the common interest of ensuring that no successful rebellion from the subjugated populace can ever happen. It was this interest which lead all these groups to jump the infodemic bandwagon, eagerly, once it was put into motion by some of them.

P.S. Hurm, are you going to reply to the long essay-post on volitional factor in knowledge I posted on this thread earlier? I hoped to see your reply most of all... Maybe my writing was too long and complex for you and others to become interested?
 
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