Criticizing the Oneness of Transcendental Idealism

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  1. No self is as misunderstood as oneness. It doesn't cause indifference.

    When someone realizes "I AM Everything", oneness, he feels a connectedness to all things. It produces compassion. After he realizes no-self, the understanding of connectedness of all things remains, and so the compassion remains. In fact, the connectedness and compassion, if anything, increases because then there is nothing that is considered self for even the tiniest infinitesimal of selfishness to grow out of.

    You have to experience it to understand it.

    https://enlightenmentward.wordpress...shodo-harada-roshi-segment-4-of-7-transcript/
    https://enlightenmentward.wordpress...shodo-harada-roshi-segment-5-of-7-transcript/
     
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    Yes, free-willing and no, not free-willing. It may be the degree of free-willing is with respect to: what freedom do I have in chosing which constraints are honored or not honored?

    I am a person but I am not interchangeable with any other person. That I am this person is an enduring constraint because it is a fact of my existence - it is the boundary I cannot cross and a constraint I am always obliged to honor. I did not create this fact and in that sense I am a bound by it, I am servant to this fact. To that I have to add the realization that without the One Reality being the ground for the possiblity of existence, I do not exist as a person. This means the One Reality is a necessary condition for my existence as a person, my existence is therefore bound up at every instance in that necessary condition. There is perhaps no clearly defined division there but a simple gradient of awareness? If I slide too close in awareness of the One Reality it may overwhelm me and destroy me. If I slide too far in awareness from this source, I may forget the source of my being and waste away. I think there is this middle ground, a plane within which I can chose to stand and decide where to move. It may be that this middle ground expands to the same degree that my understanding expands? And, as my understanding expands maybe I also have more freedom with respect to which constraints to honor within this middle ground.

    In which place do I notice where there is the least and the greatest degree of freedom? For myself, I find the least degree of freedom exists in the external world, the exoteric, the unyielding hard rules and laws imposed on my person to which I must conform regardless of my understanding. I find the greatest degree of freedom in the internal world, the esoteric, the yielding rules and laws that conform their contours to my person and always with respect to my understanding.
     
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  3. Raimo

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    Titus Rivas said this about those kind of theories:
    http://txtxs.nl/artikel.asp?artid=868

    Another quote by Titus Rivas:
    http://txtxs.nl/artikel.asp?artid=618

    Two quotes which are relevant to this discussion by Titus Rivas:
    http://txtxs.nl/artikel.asp?artid=629
     
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  4. I don't know about PNSE or exactly what Roberts said. But I do know that when meditation produces intense feelings of bliss, love, connectedness over a long time, odd as this might seem, it becomes tiresome and you naturally gravitate to a state of quiet, contentedness, satisfaction, and equanimity. Those emotions also result in a good dose of unselfishness.That doesn't mean you are indifferent to others, you still have love, compassion and sympathy, it just means the brain chemicals are not going through the roof. And when you feel like tripping on endorphins, serotonin, and dopamine, you can still do that too. I don't know about Roberts but I suspect this is what PNSE 4 is getting at. PNSE 4 reported the highest level of wellbeing.
     
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  5. Raimo

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    More quotations from the NDErs:

    Robyn:
    http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/robyn_nde.htm

    http://iands.org/ndes/nde-stories/iands-nde-accounts/501-oneness-is-reality.html

    Joan LH:
    http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/joan_lh_nde.htm

    These quotations support my theory. NDErs confuse "oneness" with formless existence.

    From William Buhlman's Exploration Mindset:
    http://www.astralinfo.org/effective-mindset/

    From an article by Stephen A. McNallen:
    http://asatrufolkassembly.org/articles-essays/
     
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  6. Raimo

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    https://angelicview.wordpress.com/2...t-in-the-breath-of-god-there-is-nothing-else/

     
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    The thing with NDErs is that for them to return to life, they must have preserved their own individuality, their own sense of an individual separate Self.

    I wonder whether humans are the only species having an individual soul? What about animals, what about insects or even bacteria? Does each bacteria have an individual soul?
     
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    That is a good point. Edward F. Kelly and Michael Grosso mention this same argument in chapter 8 of Irreducible Mind, page 507:
     
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    offtopic, but that seems like a very interesting book I didn't know about. Thanks!
     
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    A quote from Michael Tymn's book review:
    http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/entry/a_new_number_one_book_on_the_afterlife/

    I have this book in my book collection. I agree with Michael Tymn. It is a very good book.
     

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