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#21
I do think these eugenicists will get their due at some point.
Remember that Eugenics and Population Management is not necessarily bad things.

You practice Eugenics when you choose the best woman possible to marry and have children with.

You practice Population Management when you decide how many children to produce, and at what point in your life to have them.

The difference is that scum like Yuval Harari seek to force these things upon people by way of deceit, trickery, and exploitation.

Those things are what we must fight against. Truth does not fear the light of day.
 
#22
Whitney Webb recently did an excellent deconstruction of the Davos Futurist giving his plans for "Useless Individuals" at their last meeting...

If you have not listened to this, you should because it tells your future.
I hope not, Charlie. As sure as good eventually triumphs over evil, the "plans" with our prayers and Our Universal God's help will ultimately fail miserably. Thank you for providing that. We have a much better idea now of who and what we are or will be up against. Let us be vigilant and wary of deception.
 
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#23
Remember that Eugenics and Population Management is not necessarily bad things.

You practice Eugenics when you choose the best woman possible to marry and have children with.

You practice Population Management when you decide how many children to produce, and at what point in your life to have them.

The difference is that scum like Yuval Harari seek to force these things upon people by way of deceit, trickery, and exploitation.

Those things are what we must fight against. Truth does not fear the light of day.

I dunno Charlie. It's one thing choosing a mate, and when to have kids, versus deciding the fate of millions of people. That seems quite the stretch if I'm being honest. That's probably not what you are suggesting or at all in the same vein as the point you are making, but it seems sure as hell what these elites are doing.


But let me ask you this then. Do you favour Eugenics in the form of breeding 'favourable' characteristics 'into' the human population? Does such a thing exist? If so, is it desirable?

And what of the research done on differences in IQ between races? From what I've seen, and I could be wrong, but it seemed to me like there was evidence in favour of this. If so, what the hell do we do about that? Is there something 'to be done' anyway? Should we even go there in polite society?


It's a whole can of worms....
 
#24
And what of the research done on differences in IQ between races? From what I've seen, and I could be wrong, but it seemed to me like there was evidence in favour of this. If so, what the hell do we do about that? Is there something 'to be done' anyway? Should we even go there in polite society?
In my opinion IQ is a very flimsy way to measure intelligence. I believe the only things that separate and distinguish the races is about fifty thousand years that have passed since the great asteroid impact and their particular piece of the original single continent Pangaea. We're all equal; all brothers and sisters under one and the same Creator.
 
#25
I dunno Charlie. It's one thing choosing a mate, and when to have kids, versus deciding the fate of millions of people.
Notice the crucial difference I said above...

"The difference is that scum like Yuval Harari seek to force these things upon people by way of deceit, trickery, and exploitation."

Asking if I favor Eugenics is like asking if I favor the use of smart phones.

All technology is a double-edged sword. The same cell phone technology that offers the huge benefit of being able to instantly summon an ambulance almost anywhere in America also puts unlimited brutal rape pornography into the pocket of every 9 year-old boy.

Eugenics is the same way. It has both good and bad aspects.
 
#27
Notice the crucial difference I said above...

"The difference is that scum like Yuval Harari seek to force these things upon people by way of deceit, trickery, and exploitation."

Asking if I favor Eugenics is like asking if I favor the use of smart phones.

All technology is a double-edged sword. The same cell phone technology that offers the huge benefit of being able to instantly summon an ambulance almost anywhere in America also puts unlimited brutal rape pornography into the pocket of every 9 year-old boy.

Eugenics is the same way. It has both good and bad aspects.
I guess the problem is with the word 'Eugenics'. It has such a negative energetic connotation, for good reason IMO.


I was also just wanting to know why you mentioned Yuval Harari wanting to force this on people, because it sounds like you believe there are applications where it would have utility otherwise. I was interested to know what exactly you think on this, because perhaps it's a subject, if we are being intellectually honest, we should discuss.
 
#28
...perhaps it's a subject, if we are being intellectually honest, we should discuss.
I agree. Honesty and open discussion are very important and beneficial.

The term "Eugenics" carries a lot of emotional baggage because of its use as a propaganda weapon. Smart people can overcome that and speak honestly about it.

First, look at the definition of the opposite of Eugenic, Dysgenic...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dysgenic


I worked with two women who chose not to have children because they felt it would be immoral to create new humans with their genetic defects. One suffered from a genetic form of blindness. The other suffered from crippling bouts of Depression, and eventually committed suicide despite my begging her not to.

In my opinion those women did a good and noble thing by choosing to not have children.

The opposite is also true. Choosing to create the best children you can is also a good thing.
 
#29
I agree. Honesty and open discussion are very important and beneficial.

The term "Eugenics" carries a lot of emotional baggage because of its use as a propaganda weapon. Smart people can overcome that and speak honestly about it.

First, look at the definition of the opposite of Eugenic, Dysgenic...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dysgenic


I worked with two women who chose not to have children because they felt it would be immoral to create new humans with their genetic defects. One suffered from a genetic form of blindness. The other suffered from crippling bouts of Depression, and eventually committed suicide despite my begging her not to.

In my opinion those women did a good and noble thing by choosing to not have children.

The opposite is also true. Choosing to create the best children you can is also a good thing.
I'm conflicted by the above. I don't think I've given it much thought. I'd need to reflect on these concepts and try to square it away with the extended conscious realm stuff.

Because the above is not too controversial compared to say, different races have different IQ's, according to some research. Instantly (other) people seem to assume that you want to jump to, 'what to do with that', when it's probably better to discuss if it is true or not, and get people talking instead.
 
#30
In my opinion IQ is a very flimsy way to measure intelligence. I believe the only things that separate and distinguish the races is about fifty thousand years that have passed since the great asteroid impact and their particular piece of the original single continent Pangaea. We're all equal; all brothers and sisters under one and the same Creator.
I know this is true in some reality, and in some sense. But I don't think it's the full reality down here on our physical earth, where the lowest common denominator seems to rule the roost.

As much as I wish it weren't, but I can't deny much of what I've seen to disprove that. That's anecdotal, but History is also full of that for example. Plus you don't need to even be as anal as that with why you might think that. It should be obvious to anyone who has ever travelled to less developed countries, who fight over resources. Then again these people are some of the most hospitable in the world, and there sometimes can be a genuine goodness from interactions. And that is why I don't totally dismiss your sentiment, because I certainly feel the spirit of it at times!

Perhaps all of this was a long time ago, originally designed that people with a connection to a higher source were able to project their 'goodness' onto 'lower forms of developed life', and this was a mechanism for growth. Just an idea I read once and it seemed to click with me....
 
#31
Also not true. If that were true, everyone would equally go to Heaven.
Umm, well, at first blush one would agree with you on that, Charlie. But we each have our own reincarnation schedule. Some will make it, "Home" in this present lifetime but others will not. Heaven is a place of love and peace and not all of us would, "fit in" over there, nor would we be happy there, ...yet. But eventually, although it might take several more lifetimes, almost all souls eventually tire of failure and having to return here to Hell. Please see, The Spirit's Book by Allen Kardec.
http://itcvoices.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/The-Spirits-Book-by-Allan-Kardec.pdf
 
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#32
It's not. The science on I.Q. is valid and repeatable. People ignore this because they wish it was not.
But just what is IQ, Charlie? Someone who has a high IQ should of course be successful in life but then why are people with phd's driving cabs? And why do ADHD high school dropouts sometimes become millionaires? Why does someone with high IQ often have trouble doing the simplest things while some grade school dummy completely builds his own house according to code, debt free and marketable? I think High IQ has nothing at all to do with being smart.
 
#33
Someone who has a high IQ should of course be successful in life...
No. The Science shows that extreme deviation outside the I.Q. Bell Curve on either side tends to reduce the person's ability to function well in society. If I remember correctly, this problem strongly resulted in mental illness and maladaptive behaviors when the person was outside the 98th percentile.

A Clinical Psychologist I worked with at a long-term-care mental retardation residential facility explained it to me thusly: "Imagine how miserable your life would be if you had an I.Q. of 160 and 99% of the people you had to contend with in daily life were as lower in Intelligence to you as these 60 I.Q retarded patients are to us".

 
#34
Well Said.

I do think these eugenicists will get their due at some point. Their future will not go exactly to plan because they cannot account for the human variable - those of us with a soul anyway.
Many things in life are a roll of the dice. Where we came from, and where we are going is indeterminate. Even when you think that you may have every variable under strict, scientific control, your entire world can be turned upside down or inside out.....if you are a risk taker. This can also happen if you chose a perfectly predicted, socially acceptable, safe route. I don't believe in eugenics because of the Russian roulette that life plays with us at all times; especially for those that go into unknown territory.
 
#36
But just what is IQ, Charlie? Someone who has a high IQ should of course be successful in life but then why are people with phd's driving cabs? And why do ADHD high school dropouts sometimes become millionaires? Why does someone with high IQ often have trouble doing the simplest things while some grade school dummy completely builds his own house according to code, debt free and marketable? I think High IQ has nothing at all to do with being smart.
I think that success in life does not go beyond personal assessment. In affect, am I good enough to be who I am in light of all I have been through, or do I hate myself for who I am and what I have done? Maybe, at the point of death, this hard truth hits an inevitable fruition, but I don't think it is necessary to die to confront this question. To complicate matters further, I don't think intelligence is easily defined. It is easy to walk around, thinking everybody else is an idiot. That is what most people do. It is also easy to say something like, "Everybody has their own perspective."

I think that measurement of intelligence is somewhat akin to what we miss in the double slit experiment. Somehow, when you try to measure a capacity of consciousness, it becomes difficult to create a standard of its substance.
 
#40
Many things in life are a roll of the dice. Where we came from, and where we are going is indeterminate. Even when you think that you may have every variable under strict, scientific control, your entire world can be turned upside down or inside out.....if you are a risk taker.
I agree with you, Shane. "A man of respect" once said the following:
"Every man has but one destiny." -Vito Corleone.
Of course he is speaking through Mario Puzo, author of "The Godfather" but personally I found truth in that. As I lived my life it seemed in spite of valiant effort I could deviate very little from my at times somewhat pathetic path. However, if Soul growth counts for anything, I made "giant leaps" in this lifetime.
 
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