Nelson
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1) First off, To attribute Soviet mega-genocide to Stalin is a fallacy. Lenin, in his short 8 years in power, killed many more people than Stalin.
2) To call Scandinavian system a working one is an aberration. Have you been there lately? I go there a lot. Censorship, politically correct tyranny, expropriation via excessive taxation, etc, etc. Truly Orwellian nightmare.Now, they are moving to "cashless society", and that is beyond Orwell.
3) Ukraine is a construct, very much like Afghanistan or Iraq: there is Eastern Ukraine, Orthodox, mainly Russian-speaking, with the ancient capital Kiev, which was the capital of Russia more than 800 years ago, and where Knyaz Vladimir baptized the population in Byzantine Orthodoxy, and the Catholic Western Ukraine, with the capital Lviv, that was part of Poland, and is vehemently anti-Russian.
4) In order to see how real the Soviet communism (as well as the rest of them), you have to read Marx and Engels, particularly their articles en Rheinische Zeitung. I also recommend you to see the documentary I posted, it's one of the best analysis of Soviet communism ever.
I wasn't planning on writing any more on this thread, but I'm so amazed at what's been written. What you wrote, Enrique, is absolutely spot on. Can you please re-post the documentary on the Soviet Union? (somehow I missed that.)
To add to what you wrote, there are almost weekly riots in Scandinavian countries, esp. Sweden; there is massive censorship and unrest; people are emigrating from there in record numbers, including homeschoolers who are persecuted. The place is as you wrote, truly an Orwellian NIGHTMARE.
The real examples of socialism - and working ones - are Scandinavia and Benelux
Revealing that these are your best examples of socialism 'working'... Very revealing.