David Fitzgerald Spots Christian Myths, Misses Atheist Myths |356|

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  1. D.R.Alit

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    I got Fitzgerald's book on Kindle after listening to this podcast (thankfully it was on kindle unlimited!) and I couldn't get past the first couple of chapters it was so bad. He comes across as very polite but then drops a "polite bomb" which is so appallingly erroneous and without the flimseist evidence against the Bible and Jesus that I just couldn't continue to read it. On and on error after error, and all with a polite smile on his face. No thanks.

    Atheism is ridiculous in my opinion. You should have moved on from giving them airtime by now Alex.
     
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    consider: http://postflaviana.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Atwill-Russell-03-03-2017.mp3
    as will a lot of Joe's stuff it tends to go a little over-the-top, but the data hard to sidestep

    or for a slightly (only a tiny bit) version of the same, consider:
    https://www.eldontaylor.com/blog/2015/10/21/spirituality-as-a-tool-for-mind-control/

    as with 354 you have to get over the outrage over ACIM to get to the real question... WFT is the CIA doing messing with this stuff!
     
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  3. D.R.Alit

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    I'm not suggesting Atwill is wrong when I say the following but don't you think that as with the mythicist views it could just boil down to "coincidences" between the life of Jesus and these other things? It seems like a stretch but don't forget that as the Bible Code book showed, in a small portion of text you can find patterns that link up through word association etc. to find meanings.

    In connection with that I want to point out what is also a strange thing. A lot of skeptics are like a lot of New Agers in that they both want to co-opt Jesus Christ. Don't you find it strange that almost all channeled literature is all about peace and love but they almost always bring up Jesus and have something strange to say about him?

    About ACIM, again it could just be coincidence but ACIM is a channelled book too! It completely goes against the historical and traditional Christian story.

    Just saying.
     
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    I've always thought this extremely bizarre. Especially because I personally wasn't convinced that Jesus existed. Here I would be going along believing the experiential accounts of the UFO bits, but then I'd kind of I'd recoil when the Jesus stuff comes up, which it did often. I'd read these UFO encounters and the beings would show people holograms of historical Jesus. I can't remember if they were showing it as something that was faked or a reality. I think they showed the 'spear in the side' moment. Something I've always thought about UFO-beings is that they may not understand lying/dishonesty. If you travel through time and probabilities and you're concerned with behavioral changes then the ends may justify the means to the point where you don't even consider the means. They just do what they need to to produce the ends, that may include appearing to you as a dead relative, one of your religious heroes, or whatever.

    Here's The Law of One about Jesus: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=jesus

    Here's SETH about Jesus: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/jesus/seth.htm

    "The EVENTS as they are recorded, however, did not occur in history. The crucifixion of Christ was a psychic, but not a physical event. Ideas of almost unimaginable magnitude were played out."

    Dolores Cannon hypnotized patients and drew out the entire book Jesus and the Essenes which I found fascinating, seemingly historically accurate, and incredibly believable. But the more Cannon you read the more you start to wonder what's going on. For instance, she hypnotizes people and draws out these amazing stories that sci-fi writers would be envious of (The Convoluted Universe Books I-IV), but it isn't just like replaying a historical record -- let's say you got a package and delivered it to someone and never looked inside. She will say to you, "let's go back to that moment, now open the package and see what's inside" and they do. Is she changing the past through hypnosis? Is everything just information and Dolores just needs to request the information and the brain fills in the details with a believable continuation of story? Is every possibility happening everywhere (see Rick and Morty) and these are all recordings of alternate versions? When she talked to Nostradamus through a hypnotized patient she said, "are you the ghost of nostradamus?" and he said, "no, i'm alive in my time just as you're alive in yours. i'm hypnotizing my adept in order to be able to speak with you." *shrug*


     
  5. D.R.Alit

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    I think I didn't understand any of this.
     
  6. KindaGamey

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    > I think I didn't understand any of this.

    Sorry, that's one of my specialties.
     
  7. D.R.Alit

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    Alex, you have posted a quotation from Nate. I didn't see Nate's post in the earlier thread. But I will say this. Parapsychologists, some anthropologists, psychologists, sociologists, some scientists, New Agers and consciousness researchers absolutely hate Jesus Christ.
     

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