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...you couldn't have competing multinational corporations spending billions ( not to mention totalitarian states) all in a competition to develop a vaccine if the virus had not been isolated.
Alex still has a few remaining shreds of Faith in The System. :)

Acceptance is the last step before Healing can begin.

 

Alex

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I'm not sure that deduction is sound.

As I understand it, the difference between isolating the virus and nearly isolating the virus, is that in the latter case you end up with a liquid that is believed to contain viral particles and other material from the host (human cells). Once smashed up, there is no way to distinguish between human and viral RNA. This is what the Nobel Prize winner, Kary Mullis was talking about in relation to HIV and AIDS.

http://www.virusmyth.org/aids/hiv/kmreason.htm

Here is Fauci predicting doom and gloom over the AIDS virus - doesn't it sound familiar?

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/14/...re-experts-say-deaths-will-climb-sharply.html

Remember that HIV and the Coronavirus are both RNA viruses.

The lack of that final (and difficult!) purification step is reckoned to be crucial because the next step is to break up the viral particles to get access to the RNA contained inside - but there will also be RNA in the liquid arising from impurities!

The original story re AIDS was that HIV caused the disease and that it was spread by sex - heterosexual or otherwise - and that it had about a 10 year incubation period before killing its host. Such a virus would have totally decimated humanity - think about it! There almost has to be something seriously wrong with the HIV/AIDS story.

David
here's one of the guys who isolated the virus:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/coronavirus-research-lab-vido-intervac-1.5443244

here's the virology work he did with camels and bats for the years prior:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-covid-19-vido-intervac-saskatchewan-vaccine-1.5508114

here's the paper he published in nature in 2016 on the other covid virus:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro.2016.81

so, I get your point about the embedded misinformation/incomplete-information surrounding viruses and virology... but the "we haven't isolated the virus" meme seems very flat earthy and doesn't give us much insight into what's really going on.
 

Alex

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Alex still has a few remaining shreds of Faith in The System. :)

Acceptance is the last step before Healing can begin.

I'm just saying that this is basically true:https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/trump-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine
Trump says Pfizer taking 'tremendous financial risk' in coronavirus vaccine development



and this is to:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/covid-19-vaccine-weeks-away-jj-moderna-pfizer-leading-race
TickerSecurityLastChangeChange %MRNAMODERNA INC.71.09-0.19-0.27%PFEPFIZER INC.35.21-0.06-0.17%JNJJOHNSON & JOHNSON136.60-0.54-0.39%

He named several pharmaceutical companies -- Johnson & Johnson, Moderna and Pfizer -- that are in the development stages of a vaccine. He said the U.S. was working with foreign companies as well.

-- this is a trillion-dollar play and there will be winners and losers. it's unreasonable to imagine this being orchestrated end of vaccines are fake.

-- the MMR debacle would seem to be much more illustrative of how the game is really played
 
-- this is a trillion-dollar play and there will be winners and losers.
Indeed, and I can already tell you who the Winners will be, and who the Losers will be.

Alex, I think you are hung up on this "they never isolated the virus" meme partly because you don't understand Virology.

Identifying a virus is not a binary A/B, Yes/No thing because viri are constantly evolving, morphing, and changing. The best Virologists can do is an approximation. If they print out the DNA sequence of a live viral sample on paper and say "This is it!", a week later that same tested sample will have a different DNA sequence.

I learned this because I was an HIV awareness Instructor to medical professionals back in the 90's. During my research for that job I was shocked to discover "isolating the virus" is a misnomer. It doesn't actually happen. This is why there is no vaccine for HIV or "the flu" despite decades of research and mountains of money.

"But you can buy a "flu vaccine" at Walgreen's right now!" Of course you can, and those vaccines are so shitty the Medical Professionals I get drunk with at parties laugh (in private) at the idea of injecting themselves with one.

Same with a Covid-19 "vaccine". Yes they will develop one. Yes Big Pharma will collect TRILLIONS of dollars for providing it. Terrorizing the public is the most profitable grift in the world today.

Will it work? That depends on your fuzzy definition of "work" the same way our definition of "isolating" is fuzzy.

Main Take-away: These things are not A/B. Virus Science is way more subjective than you might imagine
 

Alex

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Indeed, and I can already tell you who the Winners will be, and who the Losers will be.

Alex, I think you are hung up on this "they never isolated the virus" meme partly because you don't understand Virology.

Identifying a virus is not a binary A/B, Yes/No thing because viri are constantly evolving, morphing, and changing. The best Virologists can do is an approximation. If they print out the DNA sequence of a live viral sample on paper and say "This is it!", a week later that same tested sample will have a different DNA sequence.

I learned this because I was an HIV awareness Instructor to medical professionals back in the 90's. During my research for that job I was shocked to discover "isolating the virus" is a misnomer. It doesn't actually happen. This is why there is no vaccine for HIV or "the flu" despite decades of research and mountains of money.

"But you can buy a "flu vaccine" at Walgreen's right now!" Of course you can, and those vaccines are so shitty the Medical Professionals I get drunk with at parties laugh (in private) at the idea of injecting themselves with one.

Same with a Covid-19 "vaccine". Yes they will develop one. Yes Big Pharma will collect TRILLIONS of dollars for providing it. Terrorizing the public is the most profitable grift in the world today.

Will it work? That depends on your fuzzy definition of "work" the same way our definition of "isolating" is fuzzy.

Main Take-away: These things are not A/B. Virus Science is way more subjective than you might imagine
right. I mean, I acknowledge that there's all sorts of fuckary going on when it comes to viruses and vaccines... and there's a lot of stumbling in the dark while making it sound like you know what you're doing.

But there's a lot of flat earth bullshit as well. when andrew kaufman convinced david icke that they hadn't isolated the virus the message turned into there is no covid-19 virus. if you remember Icke said during my interview the only virus is in your mind... which while may be true on some metaphysical level that we like to talk about I'm Skeptiko... it is also not true on another level.

I always like to remind people of the Ochsner story:
How Dr. Alton Ochsner Killed His Grandson With A Vaccine


In 1955, Jonas Salk developed a polio vaccine, and immediately five laboratories started making the vaccine.
Shortly before the vaccine was due to be released to the public, it was sent to Dr. Bernice Eddy at NIH to safe-test. Her finding was shocking; she found that the vaccine itself could cause paralysis. She warned of an upcoming tragedy with that vaccine, yet the pro-vaxxers insisted on barreling ahead.


One of the those who barreled ahead with this vaccine was the famous Dr. Alton Ochsner from New Orleans. He had holdings in one of the laboratories producing the vaccine and refused to believe that the vaccine was dangerous. In 1955 Ochsner assured a group of physicians at Tulane Medical School that the Salk vaccine was safe. Ochsner said he wouldn’t ask them to support something he wasn’t willing to use on his own family and that he was going to give his two grandchildren the Salk vaccine right there in front of them. Which he did.
A few days later, his 30-month-old grandson was dead; and his granddaughter had polio. An attending physician to the grandson also contracted polio and was crippled.
 
...if you remember Icke said during my interview the only virus is in your mind... which while may be true on some metaphysical level that we like to talk about I'm Skeptiko... it is also not true on another level.
I agree.

The problem with David Icke is that he chases fads. I've read most of his books and been watching him for 20 years.

He will promote whatever sketchy conspiracy theory is currently popular in order to stay relevant within the current Zeitgeist.

In that 90's that was space lizards. In the early 00's it was 9/11 energy weapons. Five years ago it was underground bases and UFO Disclosure.

Same with this "Plandemic" stuff. He will abandon the "virus not isolated!" meme and move on to the next meme when convenient.

Icke is a nice guy and I like him. I'm sure he justifies this trend surfing with "a man's gotta eat" and the noble goal of promoting his "All is Love" message which he genuinely believes is Humanity's salvation.

It's like with the "Breatharians". Promoting Hippy Love can justify all manner of half-truths and mild deceptions, because it's for a good cause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie is not just for Elites as Plato suggested.

My fellow Christians also do this at times, and it's equally wrong.
 
here's one of the guys who isolated the virus:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/coronavirus-research-lab-vido-intervac-1.5443244

here's the virology work he did with camels and bats for the years prior:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-covid-19-vido-intervac-saskatchewan-vaccine-1.5508114

here's the paper he published in nature in 2016 on the other covid virus:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro.2016.81

so, I get your point about the embedded misinformation/incomplete-information surrounding viruses and virology... but the "we haven't isolated the virus" meme seems very flat earthy and doesn't give us much insight into what's really going on.
As I understand it, what they call isolation is not the complete removal of other non-virus material - i.e. it simply isn't what it used to mean. I think the final step is done using an electron micrograph showing the virus particles and nothing else.

It isn't nit-picking. The PCR tests are built out of fragments of RNA supposedly present in the virus. If they have picked up RNA from elsewhere, the test is invalid. The problem is that unlike bacteria, you cannot grow these things on a Petri dish containing sterile nutrient jelly. They need cells in which to grow - which makes isolating the virus free of bits from the host cells very hard - but from what I have read, this process is time consuming but not impossible.

I wish they would do some serious empirical testing of these PCR tests. People do claim to have tested the inside of a goat, or a fruit and got positive results. This is the same issue that comes up in the HIV/AIDS debate.

David
 
Alex said, "if you remember Icke said during my interview the only virus is in your mind... which while may be true on some metaphysical level that we like to talk about on Skeptiko... it is also not true on another level.
David Icke's assertions about the virus were irresponsible and demonstrably false. Instead of challenging him, Alex, you fawned over him, going as far as saying he deserved a Nobel Prize.

Here we are months later and the Plandemic virus-deniers are getting sick by the thousands and the hospitals are full. In Wisconsin today, so many counties are so far past the Dept. of Health Services' highest classification for case activity, that they created a brand new category. Only 7 counties in the State have below 1,000 cases per 100,000 residents, which previously was their highest level.

Yeah, Alex. It's not true on the level of 10,000,000 infections and 250,000 deaths and climbing. About time you finally owned up to acknowledging that David Icke's "the only virus is in your mind" claim killed people who believed him and did not take precautions.
 
Specifically what assertions are you referring to?/
If you have a real virus and you have a virus that is “deadly...”
I think there is a virus, but it’s not a physical virus, it’s a mind virus...
What I call a mind virus....basically works in the human mind...
You have this mind virus... this cult is its human expression...
This mind virus and this cult...is structuring and manipulating human society to generate these low vibrational emotions.
This mind virus operates ... is hidden from the conscious mind. But when it ceases to be hidden, then it loses its power.
The official “virus narrative”, which if people are prepared to do their own research and talk to doctors and biologists and other medical professionals, they would realize, that narrative is so nonsensical.
 

Alex

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David Icke's assertions about the virus were irresponsible and demonstrably false.
agreed. see me interview with Tom Cowan... will be out on Tues.

Instead of challenging him, Alex, you fawned over him, going as far as saying he deserved a Nobel Prize.
I probably could have pushed him harder but at the time that the interview was recorded I wasn't totally sure of his position. I still think I'm the only person who has directly challenged claims scientifically. also my primary focus was on his position regarding consciousness, so even if I knew he was supporting the flat earth science of andrew kaufman I would have approached the interview differently, but only slightly.

Here we are months later and the Plandemic virus-deniers
covid 19 virus exists... and it sure as heck looks like a plandemic.

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agreed. see me interview with Tom Cowan... will be out on Tues.
Thank you, Alex for acknowledging that.

I went over to the Ethical Skeptic site to see if I could see the source for lockdown deaths. The way he presents his ideas is beyond my grasp. I did notice that he uses Osiris as his avatar. That caught my attention. We are presently at week 11 of my 12 week class, Science, Myth, Magic & Mystery. Isis, Osiris and Horus have come into the field in multiple group processes. I have written several reflections about them and how these mythic themes remain influential today. The core of what we are discovering in the field is how the invention of modern science - what you call a Psyops - was created by London merchants after the death of Queen Elizabeth I in 1600.

David Icke was right about his analysis of the culture of mind control, but he's wrong about too much to be credible overall.
 
David Icke's "the only virus is in your mind" claim killed people who believed him and did not take precautions.
When comparing the Corona virus to the "mind virus", Icke was speaking metaphorically.

It's dishonest of you to conflate that metaphor by assigning the deaths of people to David Icke.

You could easily refute Icke's claims regarding Covid-19 by presenting the evidence he requested in this paragraph:

"David Icke: [00:10:25] ...they’ve gone to the scientists themselves and they’ve asked the question, “Did you purify this virus?” And the answer is always no. And without that you cannot say that you had a virus, you have a virus, you’ve shown that virus exists."
 
covid 19 virus exists... and it sure as heck looks like a plandemic.
On their No Agenda Show podcast yesterday Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak had an interesting bit explaining how the CDC can turn the number of Covid cases up or down by changing the "cycle threshold" of the PCR test.

It's here at timestamp 9:20...

http://adam.curry.com/html/NoAgendaEpisode1294E-Zbg3w4MRfNJLsxxjWcNnzdZGGdTLGh.html

One of their Producers queried the Vermont Heath Commissioner on NPR about which "cycle threshold" they are using.

No Agenda does the best job of taking apart media disinformation because they both have Big Media experience.

Adam was an MTV "V.J." celebrity back in the day, and Dvorak writes for mainstream Tech publications.
 
When comparing the Corona virus to the "mind virus", Icke was speaking metaphorically.

It's dishonest of you to conflate that metaphor by assigning the deaths of people to David Icke.

You could easily refute Icke's claims regarding Covid-19 by presenting the evidence he requested in this paragraph:

"David Icke: [00:10:25] ...they’ve gone to the scientists themselves and they’ve asked the question, “Did you purify this virus?” And the answer is always no. And without that you cannot say that you had a virus, you have a virus, you’ve shown that virus exists."
  1. How is that a metaphor? "I think there is a virus, but it’s not a physical virus, it’s a mind virus..." This is a direct, literal statement.
  2. The evidence that refutes his claim that the virus doesn't exist can be found on the JHU Covid-19 website. Or this: North Dakota hospitals are reportedly at full capacity amid surging coronavirus cases and a shortage of healthcare workers.
 
  1. How is that a metaphor? "I think there is a virus, but it’s not a physical virus, it’s a mind virus..." This is a direct, literal statement.
  2. The evidence that refutes his claim that the virus doesn't exist can be found on the JHU Covid-19 website. Or this: North Dakota hospitals are reportedly at full capacity amid surging coronavirus cases and a shortage of healthcare workers.
This is my understanding of the situation.

1) Technically the COVID virus exists, but is a mild virus similar to flu.
2) The PCR tests don't seem to have ever been checked for generating false positives, and I think they generate a lot of them. That is why when testing increases, the virus seems to surge. When they talk about 'cases' they actually mean people who have tested positive for the virus (which is not normal medical practice).
3) As people get older and sicker, they become vulnerable to a range of diseases that they would not be vulnerable to otherwise otherwise. This is particularly true of people receiving treatments that damage the immune system. I know a man who got a respiratory virus some years ago. The bug was unpleasant but no more, but his wife, who was on chemotherapy died of the unnamed virus in hospital.
4) If a person enters hospital he/she gets tested for COVID, and because of (2), is likely to come up positive. If he then dies. this is recorded as a COVID death, even if he entered hospital because of terminal cancer, or because of a road traffic accident.
5) Many hospitals always run close to capacity in winter, and coping with all the COVID rules reduces their efficiency further.
6) Many studies have shown that Vitamin D augmentation reduces the incidence and severity of COVID, yet there is no real effort to get people to take this cheap harmless remedy.

This is how this vile trick works. This is why you probably know few if any that have had a serious problem from COVID - here many people when asked don't know of anyone who has had the bug! A friend of mine told me that his father had it. He stayed at home and is now recovering - at age 79.

So I agree with Charlie on this.

At 71, I take 2000 units of Vitamin D a day but otherwise live as normal a life as possible under the restrictions.

David
 
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How is that a metaphor? "I think there is a virus, but it’s not a physical virus, it’s a mind virus..." This is a direct, literal statement.
In addition to being dishonest, this pilpul of yours is tedious.




You could easily refute Icke's claims regarding Covid-19 by presenting the evidence he requested in this paragraph:

"David Icke: [00:10:25] ...they’ve gone to the scientists themselves and they’ve asked the question, “Did you purify this virus?” And the answer is always no. And without that you cannot say that you had a virus, you have a virus, you’ve shown that virus exists."

Your refusal to provide this evidence speaks for itself.
 
This is my understanding of the situation.
Excellent summary.

My brother-in-law (74 years old) who died last month after a three-year battle with Parkinson's Disease was listed as a Covid death. I cleaned his bedding and lifted him out of his chair every day and did not get Covid.

His wife my sister-in-law (63 years old) had Covid in October. Three days on the couch and she was over it.

My college roommate who died last month from pancreatic cancer in Olympia, WA was listed as a Covid death. (54 years old)

My daughter (30 years old) called last night and said she tested positive and has Covid. I was in the car with her in Austin, TX all weekend. She has a fever, coughing, and the weird "can't taste anything" symptom. Her kids don't have it.

My son-in-law (36 years old) had Covid in September. Same symptoms; fever, coughing, "can't taste anything", over it in three days.

I also take 2,000 milligrams of Vitamin C every day for general immune system support. The cheap Wal-Mart stuff.

The question I have is: Why did The System decide to turn this weird bug into a world-wide Terror Campaign ?

Why did they decide to burn through all Mainstream Media credibility and Science credibility pushing this terror?

What makes it worth the high cost? What do they fear? What is coming?
 
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