Debra Diamond Brings Wall Street Smarts to NDEs, and Mediumship |424|

For example, I'm a happy man despite experiencing some tragedies and ugly realities. Increasingly I feel my spirit growing in proportion to earthly concerns. I feel increasingly aligned to "what is". It's exciting. I look forward to each new day. But you think me to be a misguided monster. How is it possible that I'm happy when I appear to be in violation of your codes and rules?
:) I think nothing of the sort about you. My codes and rules can't be violated by you. They are mine. Its where yours and mine intersect that I am interested and want to work out. There are many aspects of 'good' and 'bad that we share. The differences don't divide us, they distinguish us.
 
My strategy firm was visiting a $3 billion West Coast US company once to pitch an operating strategy (at their request). I was there with two of my associates to make the initial capabilities presentation to the exec committee and CEO of the company. Our escort took us from the lobby to the presentation conference room. On the way there, I noticed a guy in a hallway, struggling to get a large rolling trash container out of a janitorial closet. He had longer grey hair, a long grey scraggly beard, a 1980's warmup top and t-shirt, jeans that were hemmed way too high, white socks and some beat up old dirty tennis shoes. He was probably one step removed from being a homeless person, to my impression.

I set down my brief case and walked over to help the obvious housekeeping worker with the task. I offered a platitude 'Hey, how ya' doin'?' and grinned at him. We cleared the handle of the big container from the door edge, whereupon I picked up my brief case and nodded and walked onward with my associates to the conference room.

Fifteen minutes later, we are into the presentation formalities and introduction, whereupon the CEO walks in late.

The CEO turned out to be that same gent who was struggling to get the trash container out of the janitorial closet.

I suspect that spirituality is much akin to this. Making judgements and condemnations as to who is, and who is not spiritually advanced along their life-path, by means of their life position, appearance, socio-politics or money situation which do not fit to your taste - is a rookie mistake. It leaves one vulnerable to being deceived by appearances of virtue, masquerading as good.

The point is, spiritual development exists in every walk/position of life for the most part. And just as there are many empty suits of executive competence (those who think the costume will allow them free pass), even so there exists a similar cadre of empty suits of virtue. Do not be an empty suit, no matter how politically-acceptable that suit may appear to be.
Great story. The much maligned Aleister Crowley once said "Do not kick a beggar, lest he be a king."Those who seem to be to us mere human 'trash' might be great souls experiencing a shit life. Not always, but some times - guess when. These days I work with staff with disability and I can say the depth of character I encounter often humbles me, and make my disability seem like a mere irritation and inconvenience.
 
Great story. The much maligned Aleister Crowley once said "Do not kick a beggar, lest he be a king."Those who seem to be to us mere human 'trash' might be great souls experiencing a shit life. Not always, but some times - guess when. These days I work with staff with disability and I can say the depth of character I encounter often humbles me, and make my disability seem like a mere irritation and inconvenience.
I have two children, as you know, with permanent disability. They will never be able to work, never be rich, never attain great things on a social context. They struggle and simply endure every single day under their disabilities - both cases, a harm brought on as the result of professional experts thinking they were smart/competent, when indeed they were not. They are the most wonderful, sincere and genuine people I know. I cannot get either of them to lie, even as a spoof to trick my spouse for humor's sake. They simply will not lie. They don't even know how to lie.

My greatest fear is that they will be taken advantage of, tricked, swindled and abused by the 95% of us on this planet who have never been forced to face their own evil - and live under an assumed veneer of goodness and spiritual competence.

In some ways, spiritual maturity is both easy to attain, yet still unattainable for most.
 
They are the most wonderful, sincere and genuine people I know. I cannot get either of them to lie, even as a spoof to trick my spouse for humor's sake. They simply will not lie. They don't even know how to lie.
Yet we hear from others that there are those who have reached a state of ‘enlightenment’, whose personalities appear to be very different from that of these two children.

In the words of Hall & Oates - “I can’t go for that”.

 
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:) I think nothing of the sort about you. My codes and rules can't be violated by you. They are mine. .
Oh, agree, but what about some ultimate authority? Steve thinks (and perhaps relishes) that I might have a bad life review. I don't think it would be so horrible and I like to believe to the bright points would outweigh any negatives - at least it wouldn't be worse or better than anyone else's, IMO.

What about the life review of a Viking who is expecting Valhalla for deeds of fierceness on the battlefield? Is he going to be sorely disappointed, or get what he expects? IMO, mostly he gets what he expects, Valhalla for a live lived as a fine warrior. I think that ADCs tend to support my opinion.

OTOH, I do think that Hitler or a mafia boss is going to have a negative afterlife experience. Why do I think that? IMO, there is a nuance between those guys and the Viking that I cannot articulate at this point. Maybe it has to do with the Viking being a man of times and culture, but the Hitler and the mafia boss deliberately electing to be seriously anti-social and cause great harm to others in a time and place where that is not normal. But I can't really say....I would love for a good medium to shed some light on that. Maybe mediums don't want to open that door, however, for safety reasons?

We know from ADCs from soldiers that have killed and been killed that they are not punished for their actions (see Michael Tymn's 'Dead Men Talking' - https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Men-Talking-Afterlife-Communication/dp/1910121134) as people like Steve seem to think they should be.

Its where yours and mine intersect that I am interested and want to work out. There are many aspects of 'good' and 'bad that we share. The differences don't divide us, they distinguish us.
So why do we argue?
 
Yet we hear from others that there are those who have reached a state of ‘enlightenment’, whose personalities appear to be very different from that of these two children.

In the words of Hall & Oates - “I can’t go for that”.
This video appeared open my feed today.
Rupert Spira appears to ‘think’ as I do.

 
Yet we hear from others that there are those who have reached a state of ‘enlightenment’, whose personalities appear to be very different from that of these two children.

In the words of Hall & Oates - “I can’t go for that”.

I don't know what you mean by this. If you are stating that there are those who have faced their own evil, and no longer wear the costume of enlightenment, then I might buy this.

Enlightenment is not something one claims...
 
I don't know what you mean by this. If you are stating that there are those who have faced their own evil, and no longer wear the costume of enlightenment, then I might buy this.

Enlightenment is not something one claims...
See my latest post which features a Rupert Spira interview, which might make things clearer. TBH I can’t understand what you say a lot of the time. Above included. Sorry. :)
 
I think you’re quite wrong here.
Both suffering from the error that 1. you do not understand what I am saying and yet, 2. contend that I am wrong. A form of plural arguing fallacy, which leaves me underwhelmed.

I cannot vouch for everyone in this video personally - I would need to see more of their lives, but these are the accoutrements/verbiage of the costume.
 
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Why would you like to see it?
Only because I think it would be very interesting and not at all boring. You are a very interesting guy, of that there’s little doubt in my mind. I would like to meet you, you’re not someone I’d ‘automatically detest’ if that’s what you think. I can totally understand Michael P’s refuting your thinking,” But you think me to be a misguided monster.”

I happen to think that life reviews are not judgemental, if there is judgement felt, it’s by the person who’s life is being viewed. That’s what the evidence seems to show.

Here’s what I wrote:

I’d love to witness your life review Eric, I imagine I’d find it quite amusing or I’d be scared ....less. :)
Contrary to what TES seems so CLEAR about, there was no malice at all meant, that’s why I used a smiley face. By amusing I think a sense of humour would show itself and either my thinking is correct or Eric’s is. If it turned out that I was correct, I might be amused at Eric’s reaction, if not, I may well be very scared. Scared because I’d be the one having to reevaluate everything. Of course I don’t know who might be right, and it’s not something I’m bothered about. I happen to think that our ponderings on this are rather pointless. I’ll find out if I’m meant to find out when I’m meant to find out.

I’m quite sure we’d get on well if we were ever to meet Eric, as long as we stayed away from a small number of topics.
 
Only because I think it would be very interesting and not at all boring. You are a very interesting guy, of that there’s little doubt in my mind. I would like to meet you, you’re not someone I’d ‘automatically detest’ if that’s what you think. I can totally understand Michael P’s refuting your thinking,” But you think me to be a misguided monster.”

I happen to think that life reviews are not judgemental, if there is judgement felt, it’s by the person who’s life is being viewed. That’s what the evidence seems to show.

Here’s what I wrote:



Contrary to what TES seems so CLEAR about, there was no malice at all meant, that’s why I used a smiley face. By amusing I think a sense of humour would show itself and either my thinking is correct or Eric’s is. If it turned out that I was correct, I might be amused at Eric’s reaction, if not, I may well be very scared. Scared because I’d be the one having to reevaluate everything. Of course I don’t know who might be right, and it’s not something I’m bothered about. I happen to think that our ponderings on this are rather pointless. I’ll find out if I’m meant to find out when I’m meant to find out.

I’m quite sure we’d get on well if we were ever to meet Eric, as long as we stayed away from a small number of topics.
Ok.

I get along with most people I meet in person, even those who's ideas I disagree with. We just agree to disagree and sometimes make a joke of it if we get into those topics. I generally look out for people that I think are naïve and need protecting, though I don't make it obvious (I'm sensitive about others' feelings and try to respect their sense of dignity). Over time they often come to understand that and appreciate me as someone who actually cares about others, even if they don't understand why.
 
By amusing I think a sense of humour would show itself and either my thinking is correct or Eric’s is.
I don't think it's a binary choice. Having one person be right and another wrong is a bit like trying to answer the question: "which is the right religion?" In NDE accounts it usually transpires something to the effect of "all of them and none of them".

Perhaps what I'm getting at is ideas of right and wrong may belong in this world. In the NDE or life review, other ways of understanding apply.
 
I don't think it's a binary choice. Having one person be right and another wrong is a bit like trying to answer the question: "which is the right religion?" In NDE accounts it usually transpires something to the effect of "all of them and none of them".

Perhaps what I'm getting at is ideas of right and wrong may belong in this world. In the NDE or life review, other ways of understanding apply.
Well, the same feelings that we have on earth appear to have applied to those returning in many examples that I’ve read or seen in videos. They report feeling little difference to being on earth, ‘it was still me’ sort of thing. Whether that might change if we decide to stay there (if given a choice) is unknown. I think there might be a transition period when we still exhibit earthly traits, I don’t know. I’ve read ‘some time’ (whatever that means) is taken to recover from our earthly experience.
Some recover quickly some take longer.

I think that your probably correct, in that your second short paragraph may well make sense.

As previously stated, it’s not something I’m too bothered about. I don’t know, and don’t really care at this point. It was an uninformed insight into my head, an attempt to make light of our earlier disagreement.
 
As previously stated, it’s not something I’m too bothered about. I don’t know, and don’t really care at this point. It was an uninformed insight into my head, an attempt to make light of our earlier disagreement.
Yeah, sorry about that Steve, I was commenting in a more abstract sense. I didn't intent to exacerbate any disagreement or friction among forum members.
 
Only because I think it would be very interesting and not at all boring. You are a very interesting guy, of that there’s little doubt in my mind. I would like to meet you, you’re not someone I’d ‘automatically detest’ if that’s what you think. I can totally understand Michael P’s refuting your thinking,” But you think me to be a misguided monster.”

I happen to think that life reviews are not judgemental, if there is judgement felt, it’s by the person who’s life is being viewed. That’s what the evidence seems to show.

Here’s what I wrote:



Contrary to what TES seems so CLEAR about, there was no malice at all meant, that’s why I used a smiley face. By amusing I think a sense of humour would show itself and either my thinking is correct or Eric’s is. If it turned out that I was correct, I might be amused at Eric’s reaction, if not, I may well be very scared. Scared because I’d be the one having to reevaluate everything. Of course I don’t know who might be right, and it’s not something I’m bothered about. I happen to think that our ponderings on this are rather pointless. I’ll find out if I’m meant to find out when I’m meant to find out.

I’m quite sure we’d get on well if we were ever to meet Eric, as long as we stayed away from a small number of topics.
Good response. ;;/?
 
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