DMT in Rat Brain? Implications?

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chuck.drake

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I don't remember seeing this on the old site this summer, but I may have been offline during that time. Apparently they may have discovered that DMT may be produced in the rat brain.

http://www.cottonwoodresearch.org/dmt-pineal-2013/

If it were true that DMT is produced by the brain, could it be possible that release of DMT in the human brain might play a part in NDEs, OBEs, alien abduction scenarios?
 
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chuck.drake

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For starters, it would not explain the similarities and consistency between a majority of the NDE´s. DMT though is a fascinating drug, from what I've read about it.

If you care to read a good retelling of a very interesting DMT-experience, you should read this one>> http://ewwty.com/2012/02/24/dimethyltryptamine-dmt-experience/
But we do see some consistency in DMT experiences:

http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Hyperspace_lexicon

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22983
 
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Frank Matera

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It depends what you mean by "release of DMT in the human brain might play a part in NDEs, OBEs, alien abduction scenarios"

It could have 2 possible implications.
  1. DMT is the chemical trigger responsible for creating hallucinations.
  2. DMT is the chemical trigger that allows the soul to disconnect from the physical body so that it can have real experiences like NDE's and OBE's.
I personally think its more likely given what we know about the similarity and consistencies of NDE's that Option 2 is very likely.
 
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Yeah, but DMT-trips include so many variables that are consistent with LSD-trips , like the flashing, extrem-coloured geometric figures passing by., the appearance of bizarre odd creatures and animals, loud auditory experiences that makes no sense, the feeling of being on a roller-coaster, the lack of longer coherent interaction with whatever beings they encounter etc. But some seem consistent, like the Machine Elfs for example.

NDE´s are often pretty straight-forward and consistent,long interactions with beings where a life-review and discussions about it are prevalent + many other factors, and also the sense of "hyper-reality" they all feel.
 
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Finally some support for the pineal link. We are all guilty of manufacture and possesion of a schedule one illegal substance. Look out!
I have never had an NDE but the idea that DMT might be responsible for NDE's seems very loose to me and has probably been proliferated by those who have not experienced either. There are some similarities, entities, sense of knowing, distorted time, sense and presence of divinity and perhaps even some of the more hellish features. The consistencies seem altogether different and in many NDE cases I doubt there would be enough blood flow or activity in the brain to fascillitate DMT especially when receptors may not be functioning at all. One of the biggest differences besides consistancy is that a strong DMT experience will quickly fade from memory much like dreams. The stronger the experience the more difficult it is to retain the details. This is in stark contrast to NDE's.

There are different flavours of DMT so to speak, with different effects. Smoking freebase is extreme, phychadelic bungie jumping no less, things can happen so fast it can be difficult to assimilate the experience. Ayahuasca on the other hand has the slow ease in with the added benefit and guidance from the caapi vine. Much better for spiritual work.

 
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Wasn't it postulated that DMT is a chemical that exists in every living lifeform? I seem to remember that being part of the DMT-hypothesis, but I confess I am not well read on it.
 

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

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For starters, it would not explain the similarities and consistency between a majority of the NDE´s. DMT though is a fascinating drug, from what I've read about it.
It would be interesting to know how much of the similarity between NDEs is due to the experience itself and how much is due to interpretation afterward.

~~ Paul
 
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It needs to be pointed out that much of the similarity in NDEs comes about from the process of calling experiences around the time of critical events which are similar ``NDEs``, and discarding events which are not similar from consideration. I`m not saying there`s anything wrong with this - just that you won`t be able to make comparisons about similarity of characteristics when the experiences were selected based on those characteristics.

Linda
 
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I often wonder why tryptamine palace and 5meo-dmt is never mentioned . . . It appears that this is probably the most intense of dmt trips, or any other for that matter, and also produces a union with god effect. I've wanted the author of the book mentioned above to be asked on the show, actually.
 
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Wasn't it postulated that DMT is a chemical that exists in every living lifeform? I seem to remember that being part of the DMT-hypothesis, but I confess I am not well read on it.
Every life form has tryptophan either synthesising it or requiring it as an essential amino acid. Tryptophan is just a couple of enzymatic steps away from DMT and most lifeforms apparently also has the enzymes for producing it. I would not be surprised if it were in every life form even in just a transitory phase.
 
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chuck.drake

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It needs to be pointed out that much of the similarity in NDEs comes about from the process of calling experiences around the time of critical events which are similar ``NDEs``, and discarding events which are not similar from consideration. I`m not saying there`s anything wrong with this - just that you won`t be able to make comparisons about similarity of characteristics when the experiences were selected based on those characteristics.

Linda
I think I understand what you mean. But there are a lot of very similar accounts on the NDERF site, enough to get a rough outline of what seems to be a "typical" NDE.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/NDERF_NDEs.htm
 
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chuck.drake

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Yeah, but DMT-trips include so many variables that are consistent with LSD-trips , like the flashing, extrem-coloured geometric figures passing by., the appearance of bizarre odd creatures and animals, loud auditory experiences that makes no sense, the feeling of being on a roller-coaster, the lack of longer coherent interaction with whatever beings they encounter etc. But some seem consistent, like the Machine Elfs for example.

NDE´s are often pretty straight-forward and consistent,long interactions with beings where a life-review and discussions about it are prevalent + many other factors, and also the sense of "hyper-reality" they all feel.
This is an interesting point. The typical NDE experience doesn't include distortion and hallucination during the OBE portion, if there is one. The NDE experiencer generally reports the OBE world as looking very normal. They don't report things like melting furniture, or stuffed animals or beings on illustrated posters becoming animated. And the absence of the visual geometric patterns is a good point
 
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chuck.drake

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I was under the understanding that NDERF allowed public submissions which did not come from medical specialists participating in NDE study programs; thus, I don't know how much of those archives are strictly indicative (if read a handful of NDEs, synthesized one, and reported it, would it be accepted?)
Yeah. I think we've been through that debate before. You have to accept that database for what it is. I don't want to discuss this at length here for different reasons. I think if you look through them it seems pretty obvious that it is just folks entering their experience.
 
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It depends what you mean by "release of DMT in the human brain might play a part in NDEs, OBEs, alien abduction scenarios"

It could have 2 possible implications.
  1. DMT is the chemical trigger responsible for creating hallucinations.
  2. DMT is the chemical trigger that allows the soul to disconnect from the physical body so that it can have real experiences like NDE's and OBE's.
I personally think its more likely given what we know about the similarity and consistencies of NDE's that Option 2 is very likely.
Choice 1 is more parsimonious. It assumes the least.
Choice 2 assumes much more. It assumes there's a soul and that it can disconnect.
Until there's really firm evidence that 2 is correct the best choice right now is 1.
 
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