Dr. Dan Wilson, Covid-19 Mask Science |490|

"[T]he belief in the validity of the PCR tests is so strong that it equals a religion that tolerates virtually no contradiction.

"But it is well known that religions are about faith and not about scientific facts. And as Walter Lippmann, the two-time Pulitzer Prize winner and perhaps the most influential journalist of the 20th century said: 'Where all think alike, no one thinks very much.'

"So to start, it is very remarkable that Kary Mullis himself, the inventor of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) technology, did not think alike. His invention got him the Nobel prize in chemistry in 1993.

"Unfortunately, Mullis passed away last year at the age of 74, but there is no doubt that the biochemist regarded the PCR as inappropriate to detect a viral infection.

"The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique, being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses.

"How declaring virus pandemics based on PCR tests can end in disaster was described by Gina Kolata in her 2007 New York Times article Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t."

~from the June 27, 2020 Off Guardian article: COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless, by Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter
 
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My guess is that you're seeing these statements because the test has been so very accurate on testing - especially with respect to specificity. It seems to be at least as good as, if not much better, than any other kind of "gold standard" out there for other diseases (one of your references mentions this).

Maybe it refers to "Gold Standard with respect to feasible/available methods of testing", as some of the references were comparing it to things like antibody tests.

Here's the problem. The "gold standard" in any situation is the test which is assumed to give the true result, whenever there is a discrepancy in the results between two tests. And since the PCR tests are tested for accuracy (in any of the papers I've read, and I've read dozens by now) against the virus/viral culture. And since discrepancies between the tests count against the PCR, then it's not the "gold standard" in those specific kinds of tests.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I didn't really need to mention comparisons with viral culture. I'm not sure why I did. It doesn't change anything. I just like talking about sciency stuff. ETA: Oh I remember now. I just wanted to point out that there is a way to double-check the PCR results (for all those buying into the idea that the results are all just false-positives, as part of a scam/plandemic).
 
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Psychopathy is not Binary.

Everyone has psychopathic tendencies and thoughts. Fortunately, most people don't act upon them.

I used to work in the Mental Health business. For legal and insurance purposes, Psychiatrists and Psychologists need hard criteria for documenting whether a person is mentally ill. For this, they use the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM.

https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm

It's a huge book, and very expensive, but fun to read.
Negative.

If you have a passing thought to be callous, ruthless and to do something wrong, but control it, you are not a psychopath. Psychopathy is absolutely binary. A psychopath can be no other way. It's all they are. If you believe otherwise, then you have been duped.

Restraint from inflicting damage is like cyptonite to the psychopath. The psychopath is GOD (in its own mind). GOD does not play by the rules of mere mortals, who are all suckers. This is a true and deep pathology.

I know all about the DSM. Like most clinical science - or science generally - it misses the spirit of the thing and all of the critical nuances. It sticks to what can be dryly and easily measured repeatably. Try measuring malevolence in a person who is skilled at concealing his true nature and does so as a way of life.

A psychopath is the embodiment of evil. They can experience no pleasure other than "getting over" on others, breaking rules and taboos and inflicting lasting pain. That is what feeds their distorted and massively inflated sense of self. A normal person who occasionally thinks or does bad, isn't like that. A normal has a much wider range of emotional capacity, even if they sometimes ignore it, like we all do.
 
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As promised, I needed to ruminate on this for a minute for replying, as it is quite deep. I think it is that reality will be as conspiratorial as anybody wants it to be. Also, I think that thoughts of conspiracy have an inverse relation to the necessity of survival. In other words, the more comfortable one becomes, the more likely they will think that everything is a conspiracy. Of course, most of us are not tossed into a forest and struggling to live off of berries, nuts, or half rotted animals. Even more so, there are confusions of divinity. Some people want to rub the belly of Buddha, and I would find more self realization in rubbing Sinead O'Connor's bald head. Neither, of course, makes any sense at all unless one is a coke snorting Sigmund Freud.

My issue with "conspiracy theorists" is that they seem to get high off of thinking some kind of terrible deception must be happening on them, and everybody else in the world, every second. I think that it would be better to call many of them "sooth Sayers" rather than "conspiracy theorists."

On a more basic, primordial level, I don't see a cat and mouse game. What I see is a push and shove gave based upon nuances of normalcy. People like to use words like "social status," but I don't see any of that as a regulating factor. I think that most people are quite static in their spiritual projection. It doesn't matter if they are rich, poor, or middle class. Yes, there is a lingering bromide of "I just want my kids to have a better life than I had." - However, if one did not have at least that, how could this existence be tolerable?

One of the things that Nietzsche said, before he became an blithering idiot, slobbering all over himself, was, "The Eternal Return was the most scientific principle of all existence." That isn't the exact quote, but I think that perspective is probably the most damning to human potential, and the equivalent of actual, living hell.

Certainly, it is difficult, if not impossible to foresee one's future in every detail, especially if one is a risk taker. I would gamble to say that it is impossible even if one is not a risk taker. My idea of faith is not in a God written in books, but rather in an indelible force inside of one daring enough to tap into an inexorable, undefined will. That is what makes us human.....if we have the courage.
"Soothsayer", I like that.

What "conspiracy" was Fauci a part of when he said that HIV/AIDS would kill millions of us? He was just pushing for relevancy and after 15 minutes in the limelight, society shoved back at him. Now he's pushing the same old schtick, but he didn't get shoved back. Every dog (or rat) has his day if he keeps on pushing. One of these days they'll shoot him down hard. Normalcy = whatever point the pendulum has swung to at the moment. That is life in the world of assholes.

I recall when a new ice age was going to kill us all if the hole in the ozone layer didn't do it first - or maybe acid rain would be our doom. I guess the rain has somehow become more base and the ozone hole has been closed? I dunno. What master mind cabal conspired to create those failed memes?

"We're all just lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year"

Me? "Excuse me while I kiss the sky".

Ducks walk around quacking and eagles soar. Wolf packs eat ducks There are more ducks and wolves than eagles.
 
"Soothsayer", I like that.

What "conspiracy" was Fauci a part of when he said that HIV/AIDS would kill millions of us? He was just pushing for relevancy and after 15 minutes in the limelight, society shoved back at him. Now he's pushing the same old schtick, but he didn't get shoved back. Every dog (or rat) has his day if he keeps on pushing. One of these days they'll shoot him down hard. Normalcy = whatever point the pendulum has swung to at the moment. That is life in the world of assholes.

I recall when a new ice age was going to kill us all if the hole in the ozone layer didn't do it first - or maybe acid rain would be our doom. I guess the rain has somehow become more base and the ozone hole has been closed? I dunno. What master mind cabal conspired to create those failed memes?

"We're all just lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year"

Me? "Excuse me while I kiss the sky".

Ducks walk around quacking and eagles soar. Wolf packs eat ducks There are more ducks and wolves than eagles.
Ha Ha man that is poetically beautiful! I love it! :)
 
Psychopathy is not Binary.

Everyone has psychopathic tendencies and thoughts. Fortunately, most people don't act upon them.

I used to work in the Mental Health business. For legal and insurance purposes, Psychiatrists and Psychologists need hard criteria for documenting whether a person is mentally ill. For this, they use the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM.

https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm

It's a huge book, and very expensive, but fun to read.
This is an interesting thought, Charlie. I think that I would call it "subway syndrome." Anybody that has been on a bench, at a subway, waiting for a train to arrive....I challenge you with this scenario: did you see a guy standing on the edge of the platform, leaning over as he is watching for the oncoming train, and did you feel like pushing him onto the tracks? You know, the guy is leaning over, watching the train rushing in, and you see this shit without at least a little bit of thought of shoving his ass onto the tracks? Man, if you don't, you must be insane! I am not saying that you should shove this kind of idiot into the tracks.....but did you not imagine it, for at least a few seconds?
 
To add to this, I've had experiences of the extremes of both ends.

I can conjure up some very dark thoughts regarding other people and actions I'd like to do to them. Usually when I feel I'm being abused or something evil is there. I feel like I'd be the type of person that gets in trouble for killing someone in rage to defend myself or a loved one. But also in the manner described above, feeling the evil energy, that dark energy that would enjoy seeing someone whimper as they die in your arms. Like a cat playing with a mouse as it is screaming in fear. That dark pleasure. This is not often, but I sometimes experience it. I sometimes also think that I experience that in part, so that I can understand others better. The evil maybe.

Then other times I am the opposite. I feel so much the beauty of everything and how precious our loved ones are and I feel incredibly emotional, and vulnerable. I feel the threads of good and what is right so very strongly, that I consider all life as to be protected and defended.


But I am very aware of the strongest and most important need, which is to balance these two forces out so that I may live my life effectively and as harmoniously as I can with others, whilst still protecting myself in an increasingly dog-eat-dog world. Sometimes I go through phases of being more slanted to being a bastard, and other times, I'm very non-dualistic!
 
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To add to this, I've had experiences of the extremes of both ends.

I can conjure up some very dark thoughts regarding other people and actions I'd like to do to them. Usually when I feel I'm being abused or something evil is there. I feel like I'd be the type of person that gets in trouble for killing someone in rage to defend myself or a loved one. But also in the manner described above, feeling the evil energy, that dark energy that would enjoy seeing someone whimper as they die in your arms. Like a cat playing with a mouse as it is screaming in fear. That dark pleasure.

Then other times I am the opposite. I feel so much the beauty of everything and how precious our loved ones are and I feel incredibly emotional, and vulnerable. I feel the threads of good and what is right so very strongly, that I consider all life as to be protected and defended.


But I am very aware of the strongest and most important need, which is to balance these two forces out so that I may live my life effectively and as harmoniously as I can with others, whilst still protecting myself in an increasingly dog-eat-dog world. Sometimes I go through phases of being more slanted to being a bastard, and other times, I'm very non-dualistic!
Fuck man, that is so brilliantly written and true to any real thinker!
 
I am not saying that you should shove this kind of idiot into the tracks.....but did you not imagine it, for at least a few seconds?
lol I have indeed.

While attending University back in the 80's I spent 8 hours per day stuck inside a quiet, cold industrial laboratory with an idiot I absolutely hated. Just he and I alone. All day. Three days per week.

I was trapped there because I needed the money, and they worked around my classes.

I would pass the time waiting for tests to complete by staring at the back of his stupid head and thinking up accidents he could suffer while we were out in the plant collecting samples. Industrial environments are very, very dangerous places. ;)
 
Fuck man, that is so brilliantly written and true to any real thinker!
Many times though, as soon as I get a whiff of that evil energy, I get the exact opposite too. I start to think of the pain that their family, friends and loved ones would feel. The human suffering. And then I start to actually feel that pain myself. Then my mind goes off on a tangent about the human experience being shared, how we are all one (even though 99% of the time, the physical world is a base, piece of crap place), and how I'd be killing my soul if I ever participated in carrying out evil.

It basically doesn't feel like 'I' am involved much in the process at all. It's like downloads that happen, or something.


So it's all very interesting indeed.
 
lol I have indeed.

While attending University back in the 80's I spent 8 hours per day stuck inside a quiet, cold industrial laboratory with an idiot I absolutely hated. Just he and I alone. All day. Three days per week.

I was trapped there because I needed the money, and they worked around my classes.

I would pass the time waiting for tests to complete by staring at the back of his stupid head and thinking up accidents he could suffer while we were out in the plant collecting samples. Industrial environments are very, very dangerous places. ;)
I get this kind of energy and frustration. I feel it when I am in the grocery store, shopping. I hate the big ass shopping carts be because they always cause a shopping jam. We have all seen it, the woman the size of two refrigerators, with 1976 linebacker of the century hair cut, is blocking at least two fridge doors for the milk or yogurt you need. I always shoot for the double decker, short economy cart to navigate these testy waters. When they are out of those carts in the vestibule of the grocery store, then I will often hunt them down in the parking lot like Steve Irwin playing Matador with Rhino's during rush hour. Did I mention that this is why I work nights?
 
Many times though, as soon as I get a whiff of that evil energy, I get the exact opposite too. I start to think of the pain that their family, friends and loved ones would feel. The human suffering. And then I start to actually feel that pain myself. Then my mind goes off on a tangent about the human experience being shared, how we are all one (even though 99% of the time, the physical world is a base, piece of crap place), and how I'd be killing my soul if I ever participated in carrying out evil.

It basically doesn't feel like 'I' am involved much in the process at all. It's like downloads that happen, or something.


So it's all very interesting indeed.
I feel that way, sometimes, as well, until I realize that these fucking flies are throwing up on me and sucking their puke up to perpetuate their nonsensical lives.
 
My guess is that you're seeing these statements because the test has been so very accurate on testing - especially with respect to specificity. It seems to be at least as good as, if not much better, than any other kind of "gold standard" out there for other diseases (one of your references mentions this).

Maybe it refers to "Gold Standard with respect to feasible/available methods of testing", as some of the references were comparing it to things like antibody tests.

Here's the problem. The "gold standard" in any situation is the test which is assumed to give the true result, whenever there is a discrepancy in the results between two tests. And since the PCR tests are tested for accuracy (in any of the papers I've read, and I've read dozens by now) against the virus/viral culture. And since discrepancies between the tests count against the PCR, then it's not the "gold standard" in those specific kinds of tests.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I didn't really need to mention comparisons with viral culture. I'm not sure why I did. It doesn't change anything. I just like talking about sciency stuff. ETA: Oh I remember now. I just wanted to point out that there is a way to double-check the PCR results (for all those buying into the idea that the results are all just false-positives, as part of a scam/plandemic).
It is a plandemic and it is idiocy. Maybe you have not lived long enough to see this fact. Growing up in the 80's, I have witnessed people get the cold and flu, including myself, multiple times. There were times that we were all incredibly sick as a family, and none of this shit was on the news. Furthermore, about six years ago, I lived in a place in Montana where many people became incredibly sick, and many were dying. Nobody talked about any of this, and none of it was on the news at all.

Furthermore, I grew up near San Francisco California, whereas a heavy Asian populace exists and it wasn't unusual to see many of them with "face masks" often. They did this in droves! Nevertheless, the cold and flu still spread all over the population with ease....over and over again, and a lot worse than this supposed "corona virus" plandemic.

People seem to forget things easily.
 
It is a plandemic and it is idiocy. Maybe you have not lived long enough to see this fact. Growing up in the 80's, I have witnessed people get the cold and flu, including myself, multiple times. There were times that we were all incredibly sick as a family, and none of this shit was on the news. Furthermore, about six years ago, I lived in a place in Montana where many people became incredibly sick, and many were dying. Nobody talked about any of this, and none of it was on the news at all.

Furthermore, I grew up near San Francisco California, whereas a heavy Asian populace exists and it wasn't unusual to see many of them with "face masks" often. They did this in droves! Nevertheless, the cold and flu still spread all over the population with ease....over and over again, and a lot worse than this supposed "corona virus" plandemic.

People seem to forget things easily.
Then how do you account for the problem that more than 600,000 more people died this last year than could reasonably be expected to die - based on mortality rates which are usually very stable from year to year? And that the mortality rate shot up this last year by as much as 40% in 25-44 year olds (as well as increases in most other age groups)? *Something* killed a huge number of people this past year, that didn't kill people all the other years I've been alive. If it wasn't COVID-19, then what was it?

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...d-19-mask-science-490.4651/page-7#post-153453
 
Then how do you account for the problem that more than 600,000 more people died this last year than could reasonably be expected to die - based on mortality rates which are usually very stable from year to year? And that the mortality rate shot up this last year by as much as 40% in 25-44 year olds (as well as increases in most other age groups)? *Something* killed a huge number of people this past year, that didn't kill people all the other years I've been alive. If it wasn't COVID-19, then what was it?

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...d-19-mask-science-490.4651/page-7#post-153453
Was it "Covid-19" or was it the media shoving false information up everybody's ass, 24-7, 365 for over a year? Also, if you look at the facts, the death rate was no different than the typical seasonal flu. Ask yourself a more basic question: how many people do I know that died from "Covid-19"? Also, what about all the deaths that were falsely labeled as "covid-19" because hospitals would get extra money for labeling cases as such. I am no idiot, I know that a "cold" or "flu" is a dangerous sickness, even though, growing up, parents would say, "Oh, he just has a cold, let him come on over, no problem!"

Likewise, I am hearing impaired because of the flu. My point is that this is nothing new at all and has been occurring for a long time, but the deaths have been conveniently shoved under the rug until 2020's bullshit plandemic. Do you think that it is a coincidence that Bill Gates pretended that all our computers had viruses that needed cured for countless years, then he is now pushing this idiot agenda of vaccinating all people on Earth? Granted, let us scroll back to my aforementioned post: there were times, growing up in the 80's, where droves of people were sick to all hell at school and in the community, way more so than this so called "corona pandemic," but it was never pushed through the media like this.
 
Was it "Covid-19" or was it the media shoving false information up everybody's ass, 24-7, 365 for over a year? Also, if you look at the facts, the death rate was no different than the typical seasonal flu. Ask yourself a more basic question: how many people do I know that died from "Covid-19"? Also, what about all the deaths that were falsely labeled as "covid-19" because hospitals would get extra money for labeling cases as such. I am no idiot, I know that a "cold" or "flu" is a dangerous sickness, even though, growing up, parents would say, "Oh, he just has a cold, let him come on over, no problem!"

Likewise, I am hearing impaired because of the flu. My point is that this is nothing new at all and has been occurring for a long time, but the deaths have been conveniently shoved under the rug until 2020's bullshit plandemic. Do you think that it is a coincidence that Bill Gates pretended that all our computers had viruses that needed cured for countless years, then he is now pushing this idiot agenda of vaccinating all people on Earth? Granted, let us scroll back to my aforementioned post: there were times, growing up in the 80's, where droves of people were sick to all hell at school and in the community, way more so than this so called "corona pandemic," but it was never pushed through the media like this.
Dude, if you're just going to make up "facts", then what's the point of talking to you?
 
How will we know when the truth ("real" seems redundant, right? ;) ) comes out? I'm presuming you mean to say that somehow something will emerge that will either confirm your suspicions or will refute them to your satisfaction. That's my question: How can the latter be proven to you; what's required?
Yes. I believe that there will be studies upon studies upon studies in the future, for a very long time, that go into every single aspect of how this whole situation has played out. It will become socially acceptable in 10 years time to criticise the policies behind the lockdowns. It will be proven on a cost/benefit ratio, as to how much social unrest, economic destitution, unemployment, homelessness, deaths from lack of medical care etc etc etc the lockdowns caused. Not the pandemic. The lockdowns.

Or we might not even get there too. Society may just march onto this technological dystopia anyway, and the future will just be a continuation of the present bullshit. Official culture may regard that the pandemic created all of the mess, but they will never admit that the lockdowns did it. And you'll have some reputable science saying otherwise, and it may be an "unspeakable" truth that everyone knows, but pretend to deny.

Regarding your last point, I really don't think I will be proven wrong, but if I am, then it will take something special indeed. Perhaps if a super strain mutation of another virus(if this is possible) ends up spreading through the world with proven high death rates for all age groups e.g. risk of death if contract virus= 50%+. I think then I'd be more accepting, because it would be proportionate and obvious.
 
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I think this is an awesome little tidbit... because from my experience this is exactly how the game is played. obscure and obfuscate science rather than say stuff science stuff that's it totally and provably bullshit. I think this came up in the interview with dr. Dan the ridiculous emphasis on masks blocking particles.

This is in contrast to the Tom Collins stuff "they haven't isolated the virus" which pretty quickly wind up looking like Flat Earth bullshit.
Flat Earth?
Well, maybe.
If our consciousness is an experience of a simulated universe, then the earth is not flat, it is rendered, it doesn't really exist, it is an illusion.

That being said, here's the Dynamic Duo of Jon Rappaport and Dr. Thomas Cowan explaining what isolating a virus means, and why it has never been done.

https://www.brighteon.com/bfae388f-0994-4bab-ac10-955305b7c536
Dr. Tom Cowan w/ Jon Rappoport: SARS-CoV-2 Has Never Been Isolated, Is Only an Imaginary or Theoretical Virus, and, Therefore, No Test Can Detect It


This video is from December 2020, after the failed Skeptiko episode with Dr. Cowan.

Alex, I believe you are capable of understanding this, so, if you continue to denigrate Dr. Cowan and insist that SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated, I'll have to presume you are complicit in the disinformation surrounding the so called Plandemic, and that, my friend, is Evil, IMHO.
 
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