Dr. Dan Wilson, Covid-19 Mask Science |490|

To be fair to Dr. Wilson, I don't think he was doing this consciously. As a budding member of the coming technocracy that will be obeyed, it has been instilled into him throughout his many years of highly specialised schooling, to the extent that hubris is now second nature.

funny that you say that... it was one of my biggest takeaways from the interview... i.e. this is what the new science system is producing.

I don't want to push this too far but I swear at some points it seemed like he's literally been programmed. like that whole bit on censorship and banning. he would say "well of course banning the free flow of information is counter to science"... but it was like his programming would kick in and he would have to contradict that. it was kind of eerie.
 
Hi Alex: As always, an excellent show — #490 Dr. Dan Wilson, Covid-19 Mask Science. No doubt, with your inviting title “Dr. Dan Wilson has a doctorate in biology, but misfires on the science to public health policy link,” you’ve got your finger applying direct pressure on this Covid-19 mandatory mask pulse BS.

Here’s one for you to think about: Why Science is Wrong … About Almost Everything — Dr. T’s take: Dr. T & Fun With Science.

With Dr. T’s take on your thesis, the question that logically follows is: What else can one expect from a recently minted PhD— Dr. Dan Wilson—who now is in search of his hustle—a hustle to be funded by potential corporate sponsors? —What else can one expect but “scientific proof” of current policies, i.e., mandated masks and PPE, put in place by the money and power of those very same potential corporate sponsors?

The one thing missing from your approach to such outright double-talk nonsense on show #490 (Please don’t make me go back and listen to Dr. Wilson’s feeble attempts to shield himself from any matter of policy, while at the same time curiously skewing “science” toward those same current inane corporate-funded policies!) —The one thing missing from your approach was an alternate source—other than yourself—to call Dr. Wilson to task.

May I present such a source here, Ms. Tammy Clark, an OSHA [Occupational Health and Safety] Credentialed Environmental and Occupational Health and Safety Compliance Expert. Ms. Clark recently (3/1/2021) provided testimony to the New Hampshire House of Representatives Legislative Administration Hearing of Monday, March 1st. Her testimony appears from 1:24:18 – 1:32:34. I’ve provided a transcription of that testimony below:

NH Legislative Administration Chair: The Chair recognizes Tammy Clark.

Tammy Clark: Good morning. Can you hear me?

NH Legislative Administration Chair: We can. Thank you, and welcome.

Tammy Clark: OK. Thank you very much.

I was invited to speak today by Rep. Melissa Bliseck. And I just wanted to offer some expert testimony on the whole issue regarding face masks and the mandatory wearing of PPE. I am, by career, an OSHA [Occupational Health and Safety] credentialed environmental and occupational health and safety compliance expert. I am a court approved legal expert—subject matter expert—on all things health, safety compliance, and PPE related.
When these mandates first came out, it was people like me—industrial hygienists, environmental health and safety professionals—that really started speaking up because what we are doing in mandating the forced wearing of face masks really flies in the face of OSHA standards.

For example, in the workplace, in the work environment, when there is a known hazard, when there is a risk of hazard exposure, an Occupational Health and Safety Expert will do a risk analysis to determine what the employee, or what the people, are exposed to. From that point, they follow what is called “The Hierarchy of Safety and Controls.” PPE is always the last line of defense. We never, ever, mandatorily use a blanket “one-size-fits-all” mandate to put people in any type of PPE—especially respiratory protection. This is the reason OSHA created the respiratory protection standard and the PPE standards in 1979.

By covering the mouth and nose, exerting energy, and going about our work tasks, we were giving people heart attacks. It is very taxing on the cardio-pulmonary system to cover the mouth and nose and forcibly require someone to go about their business or work, exert energy, without controlling the environment temperature, humidity, and implementing what’s called “Work/Rest Cycles.” In other words, the covering of the mouth and nose inhibits oxygen intake by up to 20%. This is proven and documented by NIOSH (The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) and OSHA’s own studies going back to 1970.

What OSHA has done and what the government has done [with mask mandates] has bypassed all of the Hierarchy of Safety and Controls and they have completely swept decades-worth of science and data on the wearing of face masks, on the use of PPE, and they have swept it under the rug as if it does not exist.

Those in my career field have been trying to sound the alarm, but we have been silenced. There is not one industrial hygienist, environmental health and safety professional, or occupational health and safety professional, or an occupational doctor, for that matter, on any of these Covid-19 task forces. —Why is that? —Because they don’t want to hear from us.

What we are saying is that we are taking the absolute wrong approach, and we are creating a greater hazard for the population, not only for working individuals, but also for children. The forced wearing of masks is extremely dangerous. We know this. We have the tests. We have the data. We have the science. We have randomized control tests—which is the mother of all scientific tests—with meta-analysis going back to the early 1970s on all of this. And yet, they’re telling us, “Just cover your mouth and nose” —with whatever, cloth, surgical masks, home-made face masks— it doesn’t matter. They’re telling you that will protect you. And it is absolutely false.

We have test after test after test that show not only does a surgical mask or a cloth face mask not protect you from respiratory viral transmission, but it also creates a greater hazard. This is why in a hospital setting doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers, when they wear surgical masks—which, by the way are not designed or rated to protect against a virus—they are only rated to protect against bacterial splashes—this is why there is rampant infection among healthcare workers in hospitals, with respiratory illnesses like influenza, flu, and things like this.

They have studied this. Why is it that healthcare workers are wearing surgical masks yet they pass the flu? —respiratory illnesses pass like crazy. Well that’s because the PPE that they’re wearing is not designed or rated to protect against viral transmission of respiratory infectious diseases.
So we know—we know through testing—we know through studies—which is very well documented and I will submit in my written testimony—that we cannot use anything that is homemade cloth, surgical masks, etc. to protect the wearer or somebody nearby the wearer from the spread of an infectious disease through a viron. The viruses are so tiny they will pass through the membrane of that material. The only PPE that is rated and tested—that will knowingly protect the wearer or those nearby the wearer from the spread of infectious disease through viron is what’s called a CAPR or a PAPR—these are the big spaceship-looking hoods. Anybody working on an infectious disease ward—you will see them working in these big self-contained respirators. They’re not wearing surgical masks on infectious disease wards. There’s a reason for this.

So to take this approach—that we’re just going to mandate that everybody wear a face mask—is so irresponsible. It is so unethical. And it drives me crazy because I look around and I see all these kids that are very, very sensitive to oxygen saturation. And I see all these children wearing face masks. I see everyday people walking around in face masks. And yet their environment is not a micro-controlled environment, such as a surgical center, or a hospital. And this is why doctors and nurses work in a carefully controlled environment—because they are wearing face coverings. So the temperature is lower. The humidity is lower. The oxygen output is higher. There are increased additional air cycle exchanges—for a reason. —Because they’re working with their mouth and nose covered. Even then, they have to stop and take Work/Rest Cycles. They are trained on how to properly don and doff that mask.

Are we all trained in the public? —No. —So people are touching their —

NH Legislative Administration Chair: We have to wrap this up a little bit.

Tammy Clark: OK.

So, overall, I just wanted to offer my expert, professional testimony because what these government officials are doing is putting the population at great risk. There’s no training for the public. We are seeing the infectious diseases like bacterial pneumonia, staph, perioral dermatitis skyrocket. And that is a direct result of inappropriate and irresponsible mandating of PPE wearing without following the OSHA standards.

NH Legislative Administration Chair: Thank you. Will you take questions from the committee?

Tammy Clark: Sure.

NH Legislative Administration Chair: Are there any questions from the committee? … Being none, thank you for your testimony.

Tammy Clark: Thank you.
excellent. thx. yeah the whole thing is kind of funny / sad / strange. I was really expecting more push back when I was prepping for this interview... until I dug into the research that he sent me. it all confirmed that masks don't work. I still don't understand why he sent it to me.
 
Define 'trying to get other people ill'.
Well, not following the health code would be definitively deciding to put other people at risk.
It's like if you're cooking for people in a restaurant and never washing your hands.
Sure, they are your hands. And its your freedoms, and there's no guarantee that someone is going to get sick.
But it's kind of a douche move not to.
 
God I don't know where to begin.....
How be you start? And then we can figure out whether your opinion is a rational one or not?
I've noticed the following with people who are against masks.
They tend to be coming from an ideological position.
Certainly, there are people pro-masks doing the same thing. But, I'm just interested in following the science.
If the science definitively said we didn't need masks, that would be awesome. I don't like wearing a mask.
But I'm hardly going to diminish the science that says it makes sense because of "freedom" or something like that.
I'm still waiting for a Conservative to explain to me how they would have handled Typhoid Mary. By that logic, she should have had every right
to go around and do whatever she wanted. The government would be infringing on her freedoms.
 
Well, not following the health code would be definitively deciding to put other people at risk.
It's like if you're cooking for people in a restaurant and never washing your hands.
Sure, they are your hands. And its your freedoms, and there's no guarantee that someone is going to get sick.
But it's kind of a douche move not to.

No. I'd like to know what exactly what you mean by 'trying to get other people ill' in relation to masks, not some gobbledygook about cooking in Nova Scotia.

Jack Ward said:
How be you start? And then we can figure out whether your opinion is a rational one or not?



Sorry, but I can tell straight away your position is nonsense based on the way you have been structuring your sentences and presenting your arguments - they make no sense!


Jack Ward said:
Certainly, there are people pro-masks doing the same thing. But, I'm just interested in following the science.


Hello??! Earth calling Jackie boy?! I think we had a show recently discussing this very thing, but I'm not sure where it is......


Jack Ward said:
If the science definitively said we didn't need masks, that would be awesome. I don't like wearing a mask.

Wow, we agree on something! I don't like wearing a mask either! But you do realise that the science has been showing that masks are not as effective as people think they are to be? If you really wanna follow the Science™ though, you might want to wear 3 or 4 masks. Or has that bio-theatre not been approved by the health officials for public consumption yet in New Scotland?

Jack Ward said:
But I'm hardly going to diminish the science that says it makes sense because of "freedom" or something like that.

Sorry?

Jack Ward said:
I'm still waiting for a Conservative to explain to me how they would have handled Typhoid Mary. By that logic, she should have had every right
to go around and do whatever she wanted.

Your whataboutism there is a pretty weak example, not gonna lie. You cannot extrapolate ONE woman who, yes was a dirty bugger for what it's worth, and then base your entire argument against those who contest masks, on this isolated example. It's not the same thing.

And yes, I've been a bit rowdy towards you, but I'm just trying to make a point.
 
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Why are we throwing people in jail? Did I miss something?
I'm assuming people won't be assholes and try to get other people ill. But if they aren't a fine is certainly enough. A hefty fine.
In Canada people are being taken to secret covid detention centers and kept from contacting family members. More than one woman has been sexually assaulted in these places. So yeah, people are losing their basic human rights due to this virus.
 
No. I'd like to know what exactly what you mean by 'trying to get other people ill' in relation to masks, not some gobbledygook about cooking in Nova Scotia.





Sorry, but I can tell straight away your position is nonsense based on the way you have been structuring your sentences and presenting your arguments - they make no sense!





Hello??! Earth calling Jackie boy?! I think we had a show recently discussing this very thing, but I'm not sure where it is......




Wow, we agree on something! I don't like wearing a mask either! But you do realise that the science has been showing that masks are not as effective as people think they are to be? If you really wanna follow the Science™ though, you might want to wear 3 or 4 masks. Or has that bio-theatre not been approved by the health officials for public consumption yet in New Scotland?



Sorry?



Your whataboutism there is a pretty weak example, not gonna lie. You cannot extrapolate ONE woman who, yes was a dirty bugger for what it's worth, and then base your entire argument against those who contest masks, on this isolated example. It's not the same thing.

And yes, I've been a bit rowdy towards you, but I'm just trying to make a point.


Sorry I have this thing. I don't bother engaging with people who attack personally and not deal with the issues.
I'm a fan of Thatcher's quote on that. Every time you make some silly comment about my analogies not making sense, you're just demonstrating a tribal position, and not a rational one. You were right in the first place. Let's not engage.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/166815-i-always-cheer-up-immensely-if-an-attack-is-particularly
 
In Canada people are being taken to secret covid detention centers and kept from contacting family members. More than one woman has been sexually assaulted in these places. So yeah, people are losing their basic human rights due to this virus.
I'm a Canadian citizen, and this is absolutely 100% untrue. I've never heard of such a thing.
 
Sorry I have this thing. I don't bother engaging with people who attack personally and not deal with the issues.
I'm a fan of Thatcher's quote on that. Every time you make some silly comment about my analogies not making sense, you're just demonstrating a tribal position, and not a rational one. You were right in the first place. Let's not engage.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/166815-i-always-cheer-up-immensely-if-an-attack-is-particularly

I actually both engaged with the issues and give you a little ribbing, so not quite the whole truth there.

Look. For me, your position deserves ridicule, because it is a silly one. I've seen what you've wrote and it's like you've been sleeping under a rock since 2020 on all of the points.

I don't engage with people on this subject on a purely rational basis because it's pointless. This pandemic has spurred on some of the most totalitarian measures our western 'free lands' have seen in a long time if not ever. If you don't take into account how that actually effects people on a real level, I don't think you are approaching things on good faith.
 
Look. For me, your position deserves ridicule, because it is a silly one. I've seen what you've wrote and it's like you've been sleeping under a rock since 2020 on all of the points.
- Then do us all a favour. Argue your position. Don't ridicule what you don't like. It wastes my time, wastes the time of everyone whose not engaging from a tribal perspective. I'm not a tribalist. I have no time to waste watching professional team sports. I'm not sleeping under a rock. I'm engaged in everything going on. But I'm not going to pretend that the science isn't pretty clear that masks help out. Hell, even the middle ages knew that.

I don't engage with people on this subject on a purely rational basis because it's pointless.
Then I guess we're done. Because if we're just jousting based on emotionality nothing gets solved.


This pandemic has spurred on some of the most totalitarian measures our western 'free lands' have seen in a long time if not ever. If you don't take into account how that actually effects people on a real level, I don't think you are approaching things on good faith.
This is where I would right #CitationNeeded. Because that's a political position "the most totalitarian measures"... Go watch "The Corporation". Go watch the most recent follow up with the sequel. THOSE are the most totalitarian measures on free lands. Again, Nova Scotia has remained basically open and able to do everything we normally do because we don't go against the science. That's what happens on a real level. We have the lowest infection rates, and the least amount of death. Someone saying "effects people on a real level" (I think you mean "affects" but typos happen, that's just a friendly correction), on the same hand that you've reached over a 1/2 million in your death toll. I think we have different ideas of what affects people and what doesn't. Me wearing a mask to go to work is an annoyance. But, that's it. It's an annoyance. And it is a temporary one involved only in protecting my fellow citizens who are in one way or another more susceptible to dire consequences.

I also have had COVID. It's not the flu. It's taken me over a year to get back to normal. And I'm still unsure if that's happened. I ended up in the emergency room twice for internal problems which looking back now I recognize was because of what happened to me with COVID. We STILL don't know all the various fall out on that end. So, again, I'm sorry the cook doesn't want to wash his hands because- like freedom or whatever- but the rest of us still have the right to eat without getting sick.
J
 
- Then do us all a favour. Argue your position.

I have argued my position and given you a bit of stick. All you've done is moan about someone on the internet being mean to you.

Why don't you argue your position?

DD said:
I don't engage with people on this subject on a purely rational basis because it's pointless.
Jack Ward said:
Then I guess we're done. Because if we're just jousting based on emotionality nothing gets solved.

You assume that being purely rational all the time is the model way of being, and the right way to approach this. It's not. You aren't taking into account the human side to all this. People aren't robots and don't exist in a world where people act rationally. It's not as simple as, follow the science. I've already told you that the science doesn't support the mask mandates. So there's no point in talking to you if you have just ignored everything already.

And I've seen how educated nonsense and stupidity has gotten us all into this mess of constant lockdowns in the UK. So I don't put much trust into the 'official' science so far, when it's clear there is an agenda.


Jack Ward said:
Don't ridicule what you don't like. It wastes my time, wastes the time of everyone whose not engaging from a tribal perspective. I'm not a tribalist. I have no time to waste watching professional team sports. I'm not sleeping under a rock. I'm engaged in everything going on.

I can ridicule what I like thanks very much.

DD said:
This pandemic has spurred on some of the most totalitarian measures our western 'free lands' have seen in a long time if not ever. If you don't take into account how that actually effects people on a real level, I don't think you are approaching things on good faith.
Jack Ward said:
This is where I would right #CitationNeeded. Because that's a political position "the most totalitarian measures"

Citation needed? Come on man, really? You want to play games of nothing is real until science tells me it is? Do you need a citation for the best way to go to the toilet in the morning too?

Jack Ward said:
on the same hand that you've reached over a 1/2 million in your death toll.

I live in the UK actually. We haven't had half a million deaths.

Jack Ward said:
I also have had COVID. It's not the flu. It's taken me over a year to get back to normal. And I'm still unsure if that's happened. I ended up in the emergency room twice for internal problems which looking back now I recognize was because of what happened to me with COVID. We STILL don't know all the various fall out on that end. So, again, I'm sorry the cook doesn't want to wash his hands because- like freedom or whatever- but the rest of us still have the right to eat without getting sick.
J

Well I am sorry that you had to go through that. I don't deny COVID exists or whatnot. It most certainly does and I also know people who have been affected by it. It's nasty thing to get from what I've been hearing and seeing.


But you have a vastly different risk tolerance than I do. You would rather force things on other people like mask mandates, on shaky grounds science wise, because of your own fears. I get it, but I also really dislike how no-one else gets a chance to manage their own risk. Why don't you continue wearing a mask, and let everyone else get on with life.
 
I'm pretty sure I picked up COVID ...during the first day of the polar vortex snowpocalypse (storm Uri).

Something hit me that same day here in Houston. Fever, swollen tonsils, fatigue, very weird nose inflammation such that my nose turned red, super-painful, and began leaking pus.

I took about 20 Vicoden over the next three days so I could ignore the symptoms to set up and maintain electricity generators, drive around searching for gasoline, and care for my Elders.

I'm beginning to suspect these illnesses can be triggered by the solar events I monitor at spaceweathernews.com. Could be pareidolia, but I intend to study the correlation more closely in the future. Glad to hear you are better.
 
I have argued my position and given you a bit of stick. All you've done is moan about someone on the internet being mean to you.
Why don't you argue your position?
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I've been arguing the points from the beginning, you just don't like it. And instead of having a counterargument, you attribute words like "moan about someone... being mean to you." Sorry, not interested, nor does what you say have any emotional sway over me. I don't care what people on the Internet think of me. That's why I'm interested in engaging in the ideas instead of this kind of nonsense. 2nd warning.

You assume that being purely rational all the time is the model way of being, and the right way to approach this. It's not. You aren't taking into account the human side to all this. People aren't robots and don't exist in a world where people act rationally.
- That's a nonsensical argument. You can have a rational discussion without discarding your humanity. That's how debates have been run since the beginning. The idea of debating the issues and not attacking someone personally is the rules. If you're unable to do this, please don't respond. (I've identified this as a second warning to you. At three, I move on to talk with people who are interested in the ideas. As I've always said, "argue perspective not personalities, issues and ideas, not identities." I'm not interested in the SJW nonsense on either side of the political aisle.)

And I've seen how educated nonsense and stupidity has gotten us all into this mess of constant lockdowns in the UK. So I don't put much trust into the 'official' science so far, when it's clear there is an agenda.
- Opinion with no evidence. Moving on.

Citation needed? Come on man, really? You want to play games of nothing is real until science tells me it is? Do you need a citation for the best way to go to the toilet in the morning too?
- If you are arguing that society is being totalitarian about you going the toilet. Yes, I'd need some evidence for that too. Opinions are like belly buttons. Everyone has one. I don't care for opinions about Flat Earthers either unless they have some evidence to back them up. No evidence. No time. I'm too busy for nonsense.

I live in the UK actually. We haven't had half a million deaths.
- But a significant portion of people who are willing to ignore the science and cause the death and illness of their neighbours. I know. Canada is also not immune to that. The "Texas of Canada"- Alberta and the redneck side of Ontario (my home province) are all proof of that.
Does "The Agenda" have an answer as to why the countries and provinces, and states that take this seriously with masks and social distancing rules tend to have the lowest and most controllable outbreaks? Is that something I should ask Q-Anon? I've never quite gotten a straight answer.
This is my similar argument against Global Warming Deniers. What have the Forest Rangers and the native populations been saying about how the temperature and climate changes have been occurring? How about Farmers? They've all seen this happening for a while. Evidence leaves clues. Is there another reason why the Northern polar region has suddenly now become able to be able to be used for ship transportation in ways it's never been in the modern age? How about the migration of animals and insects from southern regions that never could exist up here in the North before? We've got all kinds of beasties that never existed in Nova Scotia plaguing us now because of the warmer climate.
Yes, Alex is 100% right that we're not seeing the raise in levels we've been told. I'm just not sure that closes the book on climate change.
But that, as Hammy Hamster said, is another story...

It's not as simple as, follow the science. I've already told you that the science doesn't support the mask mandates. So there's no point in talking to you if you have just ignored everything already.
- Evidence? Sorry... What have I "ignored"? Or perhaps I've looked at it, and came up with a different conclusion. This is one of the biggest problems with the polarized state of affairs. Alex touched on this in yesterday's episode. We should be able to have rational discussions about the evidence without crying and taking our ball home when the other side doesn't agree with us. In this case, "telling me the science doesn't support mask mandates" is as effective as telling me the sky is plaid. Unless you've got evidence to back that up, I'm not going to believe you sky theory either.

And I've seen how educated nonsense and stupidity has gotten us all into this mess of constant lockdowns in the UK. So I don't put much trust into the 'official' science so far, when it's clear there is an agenda.
- So your argument is what? Go for ignorance instead of education? Not sure how that's going to be more effective. Again. Please keep to the points of your evidence.
J
 
People are thrown in jail for not wearing masks.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=arrested+for+no+mask

The science and cost/benefit ratio for throwing people in jail for not wearing seat belts is solid, and well-established.
The science and cost/benefit ratio for throwing people in jail for not wearing masks is not.

Those are isolated and municipal accounts. There is no evidence of some vast national or international strategy or conspiracy.
It's not like Obama and Trump throwing kids in cages. If people were put in prison for not wearing masks- and I'm not saying they aren't arrested for not paying fines or whatever. That's a matter of the courts and for better laws. Probably the smartest thing to do if you live in a regressive society, like the US where private prisons are a for-profit motive to lock people up, is to toe the line better. Right?
HJ
 
I have argued my position and given you a bit of stick. All you've done is moan about someone on the internet being mean to you.
Why don't you argue your position?
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I've been arguing the points from the beginning, you just don't like it. And instead of having a counterargument, you attribute words like "moan about someone... being mean to you." Sorry, not interested, nor does what you say have any emotional sway over me. I don't care what people on the Internet think of me. That's why I'm interested in engaging in the ideas instead of this kind of nonsense. 2nd warning.

You assume that being purely rational all the time is the model way of being, and the right way to approach this. It's not. You aren't taking into account the human side to all this. People aren't robots and don't exist in a world where people act rationally.
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That's a nonsensical argument. You can have a rational discussion without discarding your humanity. That's how debates have been run since the beginning. The idea of debating the issues and not attacking someone personally is the rules. If you're unable to do this, please don't respond. (I've identified this as a second warning to you. At three, I move on to talk with people who are interested in the ideas. As I've always said, "argue perspective not personalities, issues and ideas, not identities." I'm not interested in the SJW nonsense on either side of the political aisle.)

And I've seen how educated nonsense and stupidity has gotten us all into this mess of constant lockdowns in the UK. So I don't put much trust into the 'official' science so far, when it's clear there is an agenda.
- Opinion with no evidence. Moving on.

Citation needed? Come on man, really? You want to play games of nothing is real until science tells me it is? Do you need a citation for the best way to go to the toilet in the morning too?
- If you are arguing that society is being totalitarian about you going the toilet. Yes, I'd need some evidence for that too. Opinions are like belly buttons. Everyone has one. I don't care for opinions about Flat Earthers either unless they have some evidence to back them up. No evidence. No time. I'm too busy for nonsense.

I live in the UK actually. We haven't had half a million deaths.
- But a significant portion of people who are willing to ignore the science and cause the death and illness of their neighbours. I know. Canada is also not immune to that. The "Texas of Canada"- Alberta and the redneck side of Ontario (my home province) are all proof of that.
Does "The Agenda" have an answer as to why the countries and provinces, and states that take this seriously with masks and social distancing rules tend to have the lowest and most controllable outbreaks? Is that something I should ask Q-Anon? I've never quite gotten a straight answer.
This is my similar argument against Global Warming Deniers. What have the Forest Rangers and the native populations been saying about how the temperature and climate changes have been occurring? How about Farmers? They've all seen this happening for a while. Evidence leaves clues. Is there another reason why the Northern polar region has suddenly now become able to be able to be used for ship transportation in ways it's never been in the modern age? How about the migration of animals and insects from southern regions that never could exist up here in the North before? We've got all kinds of beasties that never existed in Nova Scotia plaguing us now because of the warmer climate.
Yes, Alex is 100% right that we're not seeing the raise in levels we've been told. I'm just not sure that closes the book on climate change.
But that, as Hammy Hamster said, is another story...

It's not as simple as, follow the science. I've already told you that the science doesn't support the mask mandates. So there's no point in talking to you if you have just ignored everything already.
- Evidence? Sorry... What have I "ignored"? Or perhaps I've looked at it, and came up with a different conclusion. This is one of the biggest problems with the polarized state of affairs. Alex touched on this in yesterday's episode. We should be able to have rational discussions about the evidence without crying and taking our ball home when the other side doesn't agree with us. In this case, "telling me the science doesn't support mask mandates" is as effective as telling me the sky is plaid. Unless you've got evidence to back that up, I'm not going to believe you sky theory either.

And I've seen how educated nonsense and stupidity has gotten us all into this mess of constant lockdowns in the UK. So I don't put much trust into the 'official' science so far, when it's clear there is an agenda.
- So your argument is what? Go for ignorance instead of education? Not sure how that's going to be more effective. Again. Please keep to the points of your evidence.
J

There's no point in continuing to talk to you further. I've made my position quite clear. You, are clearly playing games and I don't have the time either.

It's like speaking to a brick wall.
 
Those are isolated and municipal accounts.

The facts remain that:

* People are thrown in jail for not wearing masks.

* The science and cost/benefit ratio for throwing people in jail for not wearing seat belts is solid, and well-established.

* The science and cost/benefit ratio for throwing people in jail for not wearing masks is not.
 
There's no point in continuing to talk to you further. I've made my position quite clear. You, are clearly playing games and I don't have the time either.

It's like speaking to a brick wall.
Absolutely, you've made a position with no evidence clear. This is the problem in society. People hunkering down over tribal positions and refusing to actually have conversation about the issues involved.
Have a great day!
J
 
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