Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, American Cosmic’s Breakaway Civilization |417|

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Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka, American Cosmic’s Breakaway Civilization |417|
by Alex Tsakiris | Jul 2 | Consciousness Research, Consciousness Science, Others, Parapsychology
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Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka’s stellar academic background didn’t prepare her for Silicon Valley’s billionaires and their breakaway civilization.
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Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome. Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka to Skeptiko. In 2012 today’s guest was at a high point in her career, a well-respected Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington, research awards, a successful book with Oxford University Press. She had even gained tenure, which as we all know is almost impossible to do these days.
Then Diana the universe winked at you, didn’t it? A colleague noted that your account of a Catholic saint and her encounter with an angel sounded a lot like a UFO story that led you to a UFO conference. You met the amazing Chris Bledsoe, who told you about his encounter with ETs that seemed more technological than biological.
Next, you’re off to a UFO conference in California where you just happen to land a personal tour of your old hometown, Silicon Valley with none other than Jacques Vallée.
So, quite a journey and that really set you off on this six-year journey taking you from your academic religious conferences with our friend Jeff Kripal at Rice University to harvesting space junk from secret crashed UFOs in the New Mexico desert and with Silicon Valley meta experiencers who don’t think twice about ordering a thousand-dollar lunch from the Ritz and hopping on a private jet like an Uber and ultimately back to your roots in the deepest walls of the library of the Vatican.
 
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Yes we are living in the other half of the breakaway civilization.



That the military intelligence industrial complex functions outside the US constitution is sufficient proof of a breakaway civilization.


In this video former CIA officer Kevin Shipp explains the relationship between the shadow government and the deep state.

The shadow government he says consists of the 17 intelligence agencies and is led by the CIA.

The deep state he says is the military industrial intelligence complex which is a group of corporations that receives $1 trillion a year in tax revenues spent by the government on military and intelligence contracts.

The owners of media corporations cooperate with the CIA and publish stories to influence public opinion.

This web of corporations and intelligence agencies controls the elected government.

The shadow government can do whatever it wants because it can classify any information about its activities it wants. There is no government control over it. Its budget is secret.

The military industrial intelligence complex controls congress through
campaign donations
lobbying
providing jobs when senators and staffers leave congress.​

The shadow government influences

The President by
providing false information
influencing elections​

Congerss by
manipulating congressional hearings
withholds clearances from representatives and senators
classifies documents to conceal illegal activity
blocks congress using state secrets privilege​

The judiciary by
State secrets privilege - they can shut down any case against them by classifying any information they choose.
Everyone
Through the cooperation of media corporations that publish stories to influence public opinion.​

There is much much more information in the video.

The only question is how far the breakaway half has advanced. I think they have advanced technology some based on ET technology (see video of Richard Dolan above) and some from classified human research and development.

What is publicly known about the military intelligence industrial complex is just the tip of the iceberg. What we saw with the CIA organizing an attack on Donald Trump using the fake dossier and false accusations of collusion is a spillover. It is the biggest political scandal in the history of the United States. It happened because Donald Trump is an existential threat to them because he is not under their control and he wants to get the government under constitutional control by elected representatives ("drain the swamp"). But they are so confident they got careless. (I am not saying people like Peter Strzok are in the breakaway half, they are just pawns. And it was not an operation conducted by the Democrat party. It was instigated above the level of political parties.)

If we want to bring the breakaway half out in the open, we have to elect politicians who are not part of the establishment and who know how to fight.
 
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Alex,

Shows like these are why people watch Skeptiko still. All I can say for now is thanks for putting up great content!! ;;/? Great guest. And great interview questions!! Wish it was a little longer though.

It was interesting to me that she agreed with you about there being different types of extended realms and there being different types of entities within those realms instead of the "its all the same" conclusion that you mentioned. I do wish she would have talked more about the kinds of things she saw when she was in this "invisible academia" society and how developed it was. Is that mentioned in her book?

Maybe I missed it, but does she say that there is both a physical aspect and more of an ethereal, non physical consciousness aspect to ET? Where do the two meet?
 
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American Cosmic. "This is what presented itself to me."

Primer: We must remember that in Strategy (which is a good bit of what I do):

Technology is a Stack: Technology is not a device nor even an innovative set of applications.​
Technology is a pyramid of application supported by predicate technologies, component technologies, integration, deployment, enablement, protection, finance, strategy, market development, compacting, packaging, messaging, media and press, patenting and IP protection, legal work, registration filing, logistics, supply, consumables, programming, maintenance, hazard & risk planning, escalation planning, obsolescence planning, education, training, materials engineering, systems integration, efficiency and constraints, phasing & migration, maturation plans, security, encryption, information support, defense and encryption, ergonomics and human resource mgt, custodial, utility support, failsafe and safety planning, generational stratification, energy management and conservation, systemic controls, manufacturing and construction, waste disposal, controls systems/design, modeling & simulation, delivery, design, governance, legislation, exit strategy and sunset planning, disposal, environmental control and cleanup, and finally writing the history of what was done.​
A UFO is not just that craft you see flying by. It is all the things you see in the above paragraph. The Khufu Pyramid does not simply comprise the manpower expended to cut, hew, move and stack stones. Every technology is much more than the visceral tip of the stack, which is seen by the layman witness or even archaeologist.​
For every one craft you see fly by, there are 450 full time job functions hidden behind it, necessary to make that application come to fruition. If you see a fighter squadron, in ready status - that equates to the work of 9,000 people behind the scenes - all functional work content sets added together. All of these people must be fed, educated, housed, transported, retired and supported in their lives.​
So 'gods' in this realm/context - have to be plural.
Question: Have we reached a breakaway civilization at this point?

It would have to be a rather large and serious effort. Very difficult to therefore hide. Because we have to build the stack first, not the device. What would a breakaway civilization therefore look like at this point in time?

1. It would not be to create advanced flying devices as a first priority. Such would be a distraction and waste of resources.​
2. It would be to establish the infrastructure changes necessary to support a new technology stack, life philosophy or new location.​
3. It must begin from the bottom up - not by handing a snazzy device to a monkey. The monkey must be changed first.​
4. Eventually this new stack must CONSUME the old competing stacks and steal away all their critical resources. One cannot serve two masters for long (why tax innocents to build an F-35, when you have anti-gravity technology, for no reason other than a masquerade?).​
5. Finally, legacy dead weight must be stripped off at a critical transition point before it can suffocate the new stack.​
Perhaps this a very Draconian way of looking at the issue, but that raises the question - is there a magic which allows us to bypass any part of all this reality of our physical universe?

Has the Burden of Proof then shifted?

Yes.


 
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Perhaps this a very Draconian way of looking at the issue, but that raises the question - is there a magic which allows us to bypass any part of all this reality of our physical universe?
No. TES, you raise a valid issue very cogently. And I want to add that at no time is the 'physical universe' just that. It does not function other than embedded in a complex metaphysical domain informed by multiple consciousnesses.

I don't like the idea of a 'breakaway civilisation' for this reason. I can get by head around a 'breakaway culture' - but I am reminded of the so many people who go 'off grid' and say they live in a self-sufficient way but who could not do what they do without the rest of us doing what we do.
 
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Dr Pasulka said, "So if we’re talking about there’s nothing there, then what kind of language do we use to describe that and each of them, their dissertation was basically about the different languages to describe the nothingness, right? It sounds a lot like Buddhism frankly to me."

Jerry Seinfeld described his TV show as being, "All about nothing." I'm beginning to wonder if our lives here and all that is around us is no more than as Albert Einstein suggested, "An illusion." In other words, aside from being an experience to entertain our eternal spirits, it's really just, "all about nothing." Christianity teaches us the importance of, "Salvation" but after having attained that could we ever be eternally happy? I doubt it. "More experiences!" we ask Creator, even if they be not all so pleasant. Boredom without end is the greatest pain of all.
 
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erry Seinfeld described his TV show as being, "All about nothing." I'm beginning to wonder if our lives here and all that is around us is no more than as Albert Einstein suggested, "An illusion." In other words, aside from being an experience to entertain our eternal spirits, it's really just, "all about nothing." Christianity teaches us the importance of, "Salvation" but after having attained that could we ever be eternally happy? I doubt it. "More experiences!" we ask Creator, even if they be not all so pleasant. Boredom without end is the greatest pain of all.
Be careful here Garry. Seinfeld made a fortune out of a show about nothing. Christian salvation means eternal happiness only to those who are cursed to be content with the illusory. Could I recommend some judicious reading into the Hindu notion cycles?

What is real is not the 'substance' upon which the drama takes place but in the consciousness that is aware of it. So whether Einstein is right about the 'illusion' matters not a damn. We are informed and transformed by dramas that take place in a realm of fantasy and illusion - because that does not finally matter. If it did we would never go to the movies or read a book. What is 'real' is not the set but the moral and psychological drama.

So God 'creates' illusory stages upon which we play out illusory dramas? There's a saying that goes a little like this - there are really only 7 stories - https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/15/books/the-plot-thins-or-are-no-stories-new.html.

These are archetypal moral themes essentially, and we play them out in what amounts to 'costume dramas' - sci fi, westerns, crime etc. Humans are stuck on what amounts to the problem of 'how to be good' and we recycle that theme endlessly. If you look at the great spiritual teachings in depth what you find is a kind of cycle - when you get to be good you then work with those who are yet to be good. There's none of this Christian BS of hanging around in states of tepid niceness for an eternity. The divine reality is relentlessly dynamic.

Being good is not an end state that is fixed - but a relative state that is dynamic. The acts of loving and forgiving are more demanding upon the actor than the recipient. Loving and forgiving are not intellectual exercises but are full on acts of spiritual transformation. In essence getting to be good is the easy part.

We become bored when we cease doing what we are supposed to be doing. It is true that there is a Christian delusion that there is a state of bliss in which labours cease - but only futile labours. Do you think Jesus takes a holiday from loving? (I am not a Christian - I just thought that was a good image to express the point). If he did it would be a 'busman's' holiday.

It's not about nothing. In talking about nothingness we can fail to understand that that such a term has meaning only relative to something. Shakespeare wrote, in As You Like it:
All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.

Here he flips this Buddhist perspective for dramatic effect. The men and women are not 'merely players'. For Shakepeare, the playwright, the image of the stage enduring and the player as ephemeral makes sense. But from the spiritual dimension the opposite is true. It is the stage that is ephemeral in the end and the spirts of men and women that endure. The drama goes on, but the 'stage' is fluid and, in the end, illusory.
 
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Technology is a Stack: Technology is not a device nor even an innovative set of applications.Technology is a pyramid of application supported by predicate technologies, component technologies, integration, deployment, enablement, protection, finance, strategy, market development, compacting, packaging, messaging, media and press, patenting and IP protection, legal work, registration filing, logistics, supply, consumables, programming, maintenance, hazard & risk planning, escalation planning, obsolescence planning, education, training, materials engineering, systems integration, efficiency and constraints, phasing & migration, maturation plans, security, encryption, information support, defense and encryption, ergonomics and human resource mgt, custodial, utility support, failsafe and safety planning, generational stratification, energy management and conservation, systemic controls, manufacturing and construction, waste disposal, controls systems/design, modeling & simulation, delivery, design, governance, legislation, exit strategy and sunset planning, disposal, environmental control and cleanup, and finally writing the history of what was done.A UFO is not just that craft you see flying by. It is all the things you see in the above paragraph. The Khufu Pyramid does not simply comprise the manpower expended to cut, hew, move and stack stones. Every technology is much more than the visceral tip of the stack, which is seen by the layman witness or even archaeologist.For every one craft you see fly by, there are 450 full time job functions hidden behind it, necessary to make that application come to fruition. If you see a fighter squadron, in ready status - that equates to the work of 9,000 people behind the scenes - all functional work content sets added together. All of these people must be fed, educated, housed, transported, retired and supported in their lives.
Well..... yes but maybe no!

It is certainly true that if any of us were dumped in a primitive society without any of our gadgets, we would be lucky to earn our keep - we couldn't reproduce any of the marvels we take for granted. Think about it - that technology stack seems awfully real when it isn't there any more!

On the other hand suppose that we could go back, perhaps to the days of rather crude cannon-based warfare, and we could show them Newtonian dynamics and calculus - just symbols on a piece of paper - we might give them a sufficiently improved aim to give them a substantial edge over their opponents. In other words, if you have an intelligent entity offering to help, that can short-circuit the stack.

I also wonder whether there is something inherently materialistic about the concept of a technology stack. There is already a fair amount of evidence that entheogens enhance people's ψ abilities, so maybe it is not impossible that someone may (have) discovered a drug that enhances PK abilities. What might be possible with enhanced PK?

David
 
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thx for the kind words :)
It was interesting to me that she agreed with you about there being different types of extended realms and there being different types of entities within those realms instead of the "its all the same" conclusion that you mentioned.
yeah, I think that's the big question

I do wish she would have talked more about the kinds of things she saw when she was in this "invisible academia" society and how developed it was. Is that mentioned in her book?
I think she talks more about it in you on THC and on Rune Soup.

Maybe I missed it, but does she say that there is both a physical aspect and more of an ethereal, non physical consciousness aspect to ET?
I don't think she shared her opinion on this :)
 
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1. short-circuit the stack?
2. I also wonder whether there is something inherently materialistic about the concept of a technology stack. There is already a fair amount of evidence that entheogens enhance people's ψ abilities
Awesome points David,

This broaches an idea I have had as to the 'magic' which can short-circuit the stack.

A. What if the worker and the technology were combined into one entity? An entity who did not require the support of human labor. In other words the components, the building and the crafts - grew themselves in an open-source biological standard. They would be in our frame of reference - 'living creatures'.​
B. What if what we call 'ψ abilities' were then usable to replace all the IT, control, electronic communication, security/encryption, strategy and optimization infrastructure? These 'living entity craft' then would have to carry a specific ψ ability according to their function. They would not need electromagnetic energy waves the way we use them.​
C. Certain common inanimate objects would need to be quickly format-able to house extraordinarily large sets of open standard ψ-data warehousing - and be given ψ ability as well, to be able to deliver this information at the whim of whatever ψ enabled entity passed by.​
Through these concepts of magic - 75% of the above worries are handled in much more elegant fashion. In fact, I think that such magic is absolutely essential in order to be able to quickly deploy a civilization in a sophisticated context. There is no way to conquer a galaxy using flying stainless steel appliances - no matter how advanced.

So, in order to prepare the monkeys so that they could wield such A B C technology above, the entire way in which the monkeys think and act, in fact their very DNA has to be changed first.
 
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Question: Have we reached a breakaway civilization at this point?

It would have to be a rather large and serious effort. Very difficult to therefore hide. Because we have to build the stack first, not the device. What would a breakaway civilization therefore look like at this point in time?

1. It would not be to create advanced flying devices as a first priority. Such would be a distraction and waste of resources.​
2. It would be to establish the infrastructure changes necessary to support a new technology stack, life philosophy or new location.​
3. It must begin from the bottom up - not by handing a snazzy device to a monkey. The monkey must be changed first...​
I've always been skeptical of the "breakaway civilization" for a lot of the reasons you've mentioned, but all that changes if we believe american cosmic... I mean, it completely changes!

if Tyler really did show her how to harvest pieces of a 1940s crashed UFO in the new mexico then we have to accept that our very best brightest scientists and engineers have been working with these (and many other) advanced technologies for at least that long. given that Tyler has used the technologies on multiple patents and in high tech businesses we can only imagine how far the black budget projects have gone.
 
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I also wonder whether there is something inherently materialistic about the concept of a technology stack...
Great points.

Regarding materialism, I think that as we are stretched further and further into considering these advanced technologies we are going to be forced to re-examine what we mean by materialism. e.g. ET consciousness screening, thought implanting, and other tricks. is this materialism? wha if I have an iPhone app that does it, is it materialism then?

it seems to me like this is going to turn into a very spiritual endeavor very quickly :)
 
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American Cosmic. "This is what presented itself to me."

Primer: We must remember that in Strategy (which is a good bit of what I do):

Technology is a Stack: Technology is not a device nor even an innovative set of applications.​
Technology is a pyramid of application supported by predicate technologies, component technologies, integration, deployment, enablement, protection, finance, strategy, market development, compacting, packaging, messaging, media and press, patenting and IP protection, legal work, registration filing, logistics, supply, consumables, programming, maintenance, hazard & risk planning, escalation planning, obsolescence planning, education, training, materials engineering, systems integration, efficiency and constraints, phasing & migration, maturation plans, security, encryption, information support, defense and encryption, ergonomics and human resource mgt, custodial, utility support, failsafe and safety planning, generational stratification, energy management and conservation, systemic controls, manufacturing and construction, waste disposal, controls systems/design, modeling & simulation, delivery, design, governance, legislation, exit strategy and sunset planning, disposal, environmental control and cleanup, and finally writing the history of what was done.​
A UFO is not just that craft you see flying by. It is all the things you see in the above paragraph. The Khufu Pyramid does not simply comprise the manpower expended to cut, hew, move and stack stones. Every technology is much more than the visceral tip of the stack, which is seen by the layman witness or even archaeologist.​
For every one craft you see fly by, there are 450 full time job functions hidden behind it, necessary to make that application come to fruition. If you see a fighter squadron, in ready status - that equates to the work of 9,000 people behind the scenes - all functional work content sets added together. All of these people must be fed, educated, housed, transported, retired and supported in their lives.​
So 'gods' in this realm/context - have to be plural.
Question: Have we reached a breakaway civilization at this point?

It would have to be a rather large and serious effort. Very difficult to therefore hide. Because we have to build the stack first, not the device. What would a breakaway civilization therefore look like at this point in time?

1. It would not be to create advanced flying devices as a first priority. Such would be a distraction and waste of resources.​
2. It would be to establish the infrastructure changes necessary to support a new technology stack, life philosophy or new location.​
3. It must begin from the bottom up - not by handing a snazzy device to a monkey. The monkey must be changed first.​
4. Eventually this new stack must CONSUME the old competing stacks and steal away all their critical resources. One cannot serve two masters for long (why tax innocents to build an F-35, when you have anti-gravity technology, for no reason other than a masquerade?).​
5. Finally, legacy dead weight must be stripped off at a critical transition point before it can suffocate the new stack.​
Perhaps this a very Draconian way of looking at the issue, but that raises the question - is there a magic which allows us to bypass any part of all this reality of our physical universe?

Has the Burden of Proof then shifted?

Yes.


Part of the stack, in addition to the 9,000 people with assorted backgrounds and expertise working at Area 51 necessary to get one example of alien tech built and flying, would be thousands who monitor the 9,000 and make sure they don't spill beans; also ready to induce one car accidents, drug overdoses, disinformation campaigns, etc when some of them, inevitably, do attempt to tell their story about reverse engineered alien tech. This would also apply to various and numerous happenstance witnesses outside of the program. Then there would be yet more personnel to ensure that the enforcers don't tell their story (enforcers for enforcers). Probably three layers of enforcers for enforcers. Suddenly, we're talking about a heck of a lot of people to keep the project running and running in secrecy. In fact, it seems to me to have reached an unmanageable level of personnel (and secrecy) at that point; which is just one reason I reject Area 51 alien conspiracy theories.
 
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Awesome points David,

This broaches an idea I have had as to the 'magic' which can short-circuit the stack.

A. What if the worker and the technology were combined into one entity? An entity who did not require the support of human labor. In other words the components, the building and the crafts - grew themselves in an open-source biological standard. They would be in our frame of reference - 'living creatures'.​
B. What if what we call 'ψ abilities' were then usable to replace all the IT, control, electronic communication, security/encryption, strategy and optimization infrastructure? These 'living entity craft' then would have to carry a specific ψ ability according to their function. They would not need electromagnetic energy waves the way we use them.​
C. Certain common inanimate objects would need to be quickly format-able to house extraordinarily large sets of open standard ψ-data warehousing - and be given ψ ability as well, to be able to deliver this information at the whim of whatever ψ enabled entity passed by.​
Through these concepts of magic - 75% of the above worries are handled in much more elegant fashion. In fact, I think that such magic is absolutely essential in order to be able to quickly deploy a civilization in a sophisticated context. There is no way to conquer a galaxy using flying stainless steel appliances - no matter how advanced.

So, in order to prepare the monkeys so that they could wield such A B C technology above, the entire way in which the monkeys think and act, in fact their very DNA has to be changed first.
great stuff... I think we're on the same page as you can see from my above post. but I have to brakes with a warning about "the myth of progress" thing. it's great to imagine an ordered universe where our altruistic space brothers are leading us down the path to salvation, but I don't think we have much evidence for that... and it could be argued that we have more evidence for a "as above so below" mad scramble of left-hand-path-players i.e. we live in a world where a few people do very horrible things to other people... and this is true at the micro and macro/governmental scale. but we shrug our shoulders"someone has to run the world." maybe ET is equally mired in this messy left-hand path middle ground.

Not sure what the answer is, but something more yogic feels right to me :)
 
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pieces of a 1940s crashed UFO in the new mexico then we have to accept that our very best brightest scientists and engineers have been working with these (and many other) advanced technologies for at least that long
would be thousands who monitor the 9,000 and make sure they don't spill beans; also ready to induce one car accidents, drug overdoses, disinformation campaigns, etc when some of them, inevitably, do attempt to tell their story about reverse engineered alien tech.
Yes - just a quick example from my experience. The technology required to create an inter-metallic Roswell-styled piece of material, just the exotic materials which would ostensibly coat a high-dynamic environment component skin, would need to be as nano-thin layered as a PVD deposition layer, flexible as aluminum, as light as titanium, as integrally strong as a tungsten-boride interstitial alloy, macro-structure hard (Mohs 9 or 10) and as micro/nano-surface hard/impervious as diamond (4000 Knoop or higher).

The engineering team who enables this stack - literally has to solve a stack of problems themselves in order to resolve the technology for use - Inevitably they would ask an endless chain of "Ladies and Gents, we need a device/innovation which can do ________________" - this question is asked about 16 times downward in stack. The answers to these question then broach the security envelope inside of which they are protected (per Eric's excellent response).

The staff required to manufacture, deploy, keep secret and apply this tech - is on the order of 3,000 persons. Then a couple hundred people are required to watch them.

These lower down "need a device' solutions and the watchers of the workers that have broached the security envelope, these solutions bleed out into the associated industries - these then are called the 'Footprint' of that advanced technology. Think of how the Apollo Program impacted hundreds of our technologies.

An intelligence agent then surveys the market for signature of such a footprint. Analogous to the heat wake of a submarine or the jet exhaust of a spy plane. This is how we determine the validation as to the existence of an advanced tech.
 
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Awesome points David,

This broaches an idea I have had as to the 'magic' which can short-circuit the stack.

A. What if the worker and the technology were combined into one entity? An entity who did not require the support of human labor. In other words the components, the building and the crafts - grew themselves in an open-source biological standard. They would be in our frame of reference - 'living creatures'.​
B. What if what we call 'ψ abilities' were then usable to replace all the IT, control, electronic communication, security/encryption, strategy and optimization infrastructure? These 'living entity craft' then would have to carry a specific ψ ability according to their function. They would not need electromagnetic energy waves the way we use them.​
C. Certain common inanimate objects would need to be quickly format-able to house extraordinarily large sets of open standard ψ-data warehousing - and be given ψ ability as well, to be able to deliver this information at the whim of whatever ψ enabled entity passed by.​
Through these concepts of magic - 75% of the above worries are handled in much more elegant fashion. In fact, I think that such magic is absolutely essential in order to be able to quickly deploy a civilization in a sophisticated context. There is no way to conquer a galaxy using flying stainless steel appliances - no matter how advanced.

So, in order to prepare the monkeys so that they could wield such A B C technology above, the entire way in which the monkeys think and act, in fact their very DNA has to be changed first.
TES,
Think of the insect type aliens that some people report.

Insects, in a hive or colony, behave as you suggest. Science says they act in concert due to chemical releases. Maybe there is psi involved. Doesn't matter. They act in concert to accomplish remarkable achievements, given their physical size and limitations, without tech. Perhaps the human mind interprets an alien life form - the workers/drones/slaves(?) - as insect-like because of this ability they possess. Perhaps these aliens that we interpret as insectoids receive commands, via psi, from higher intelligence leaders.

Oh god, I can't believe I'm buying into this so deeply, but what I offer above would explain a subset of observations (such as the perception insect type aliens) and the ability to shorten the tech stack.
 
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Yes - just a quick example from my experience. The technology required to create an inter-metallic Roswell-styled piece of material, just the exotic materials which would ostensibly coat a high-dynamic environment component skin, would need to be as nono-thin layered as a PVD deposition layer, flexible as aluminum, as light as titanium, as integrally strong as a tungsten-carbide alloy, macro-structure hard (Mohs 9 or 10) and as micro/nano-surface hard/impervious as diamond (4000 Knoop or higher).

The engineering team who enables this stack - literally has to solve a stack of problems themselves in order to resolve the technology for use - Inevitably they would ask an endless chain of "Ladies and Gents, we need a device/innovation which can do ________________" - this question is asked about 16 times downward in stack. The answers to these question then broach the security envelop inside of which they are protected (per Eric's excellent response).

The staff required to manufacture, deploy, keep secret and apply this tech - is on the order of 3,000 persons. Then a couple hundred people are required to watch them.

These lower down "need a device' solutions and the watchers of the workers that have broached the security envelope, these solutions bleed out into the associated industries - these then are called the 'Footprint' of that advanced technology. Think of how the Apollo Program impacted hundreds of our technologies.

An intelligence agent then surveys the market for signature of such a footprint. Analogous to the heat wake of a submarine or the jet exhaust of a spy plane. This is how we determine the validation as to the existence of an advanced tech.
TES,
Right!

People that believe these conspiracies/fantasies need to imagine that military personnel are nothing more than cold order following zombies. Basically psychopaths, but with the advantage of being controllable within a highly organized, command down, efficient social structure (which true psychopaths most certainly are not). More like drone bees. Then all of the engineers, welders, metallurgists, janitors, etc would have to be the same. Did "the govt" pith the parts of their brains that are involved with independent thought and identity? What do the families of all these pithed drones thinks? "Bob used to be so outgoing and fun until he started working for the govt on that secret project. Now he just sits and stares at the wall when not at work. I have to spoon feed him mush or he won't eat"

And such accurate/precise pithing! The personnel are still aware and creative enough to design and build technologically advanced flying craft; they just don't have independence - the kind that would lead them to chat about their work, like all normal people do (or sell it to foreign interests for profit). Or maybe it wasn't pithing. Maybe it was drugs or a mass Skinnerian training , but same problem; the drugs/training would have to be very selective/highly targeted in their effect. Or it could be mass ESP like the insectoid aliens might employ.

Or it could be that we do not have alien tech and/or have not retro engineered it.

You are a SIGINT guy. I go the HUMINT route (but we would work together, of course). If I was running an intel op to gain inside knowledge of these programs, I would observe who goes in and out of the facilities. I would have agents infiltrate their communities. Find the weaknesses of these people (even patriotism and high personal ethics can be exploited). Work on them for a year or so. I guarantee you that several of the thousands involved could be compromised (and they may not even know it happened in some cases). Of course there would be counter espionage ops set up by "the govt" to ferret out opposing forces, like me. It would be spy versus spy (or in other words, business as usual). But some of the thousands of workers would be had sooner or later and the cat would be out of the bag.
 
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