Dr. Gayle Kimball Explores the Mysteries of Frontier Science |466|

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Dr. Gayle Kimball Explores the Mysteries of Frontier Science |466|
by Alex Tsakiris | Oct 6 | Consciousness Science, Skepticism
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Dr. Gayle Kimball has interviewed leading scientists and thinkers to understand the frontier beyond the mainstream.

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That’s a clip from the Netflix series Mrs. America, a fictionalized account of Gloria Steinem’s role in The Women’s Movement. This is a topic I’ve touched on a couple of times in this show, and I probably way over did it in this episode with the very excellent Dr. Gayle Kimball. But I think this idea of being able to understand how PSYOPs might change the way we look at everything, including our current understanding of consciousness, needs to be the starting point for so many of the conversations we have on Skeptiko.
Here’s a clip from the upcoming interview.
Dr. Gayle Kimball: [00:01:00] So if you’re asking me, do I think there’s a PSYOP, all I can say is I don’t have enough information to know. I can’t tell you, yes, I believe in it, because I don’t know who it is that these mysterious manipulators are.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:17] I’m inviting you to push back as hard as you can on this, destroy the narrative that I just laid out, destroy the narrative, that Gloria Steinem was a lifetime CIA player. Because the answer you gave me in the email, Gayle, it was inadequate. It was the opposite of everything we should be about, because what you said was, “I don’t care because she did a lot of good things.” We must never succumb to, “I don’t care about the manipulators. I don’t care how I’m being controlled. I only care about what they give me at the end.”
 
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This Gloria Steinem rabbit-hole stuff makes me wonder just how much of contemporary culture is the creation of corporate marketers, political propogandists, intelligence agencies and ideologues. Then again, maybe the better question to ask is how much of it isn't? And don't nobody tell me this is limited to liberal figures and social trends.
 

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This Gloria Steinem rabbit-hole stuff makes me wonder just how much of contemporary culture is the creation of corporate marketers, political propogandists, intelligence agencies and ideologues. Then again, maybe the better question to ask is how much of it isn't? And don't nobody tell me this is limited to liberal figures and social trends.
agreed. And that's what I was trying to draw out with the question at the end... I mean, one way to look at this is that the CIA were the heroes that gloria steinem claims in terms of nudging a bigoted closed minded public in the right direction. but I don't really ascribe to this alternative reality.
 
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agreed. And that's what I was trying to draw out with the question at the end... I mean, one way to look at this is that the CIA were the heroes that gloria steinem claims in terms of nudging a bigoted closed minded public in the right direction. but I don't really ascribe to this alternative reality.
Maybe coopting and directing is the most probable answer? Y'know, spooks and social scientists sitting around, identifying the archetypes bubbling up in the societal consciousness, then figuring how to shape/channel and or misdirect them for nefarious or at least utilitarian ends.

Anyway, it all gets very weird.

For an interesting example of such weirdness, check out the section titled From Mind War to the Q Collective here (about halfway down):

http://visupview.blogspot.com/2020/05/theres-riot-going-on.html

Qanon, General Paul E. Vallely, Colonel Michael Aquino, psychological warfare and the Temple of Set. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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Gayle said: So definitely media, I think that’s proven, manipulates us to feel insecure and inadequate, so we’ll buy their products. So I think that’s evident. It’s not as evident that there’s a small elite, keeping us dumbed down so they can rule the world.

Many of us are envious of the tiny minority, the elites, that run this world, but we should not be. Like all of us they are vulnerable to disease, to misfortune, to pain, to sorrow. They live in a very materially attached way to this hard world too. So they are reborn here, again and again and again.
We, who know of the potential we have to earn, by our love of all creatures and especially those who are Conscious, a much better place in a single lifetime are far better off. Potentially we may go to a place of endless bliss. A place where everything is perfect for us all the time as opposed to living here on Earth where hardly anything is perfect any of the time. The elites may have this world. I will never be jealous of them.
 
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This Gloria Steinem rabbit-hole stuff makes me wonder just how much of contemporary culture is the creation of corporate marketers, political propogandists, intelligence agencies and ideologues. Then again, maybe the better question to ask is how much of it isn't? And don't nobody tell me this is limited to liberal figures and social trends.
Right, but I tend to think that culture might have developed in much the same way with or without these covert opinion shapers.
Many of us are envious of the tiny minority, the elites, that run this world, but we should not be. Like all of us they are vulnerable to disease, to misfortune, to pain, to sorrow. They live in a very materially attached way to this hard world too. So they are reborn here, again and again and again.
I agree completely, and I imagine what it would really be like to be a 'celebrity'.

1) There would be much less privacy.

2) The home would be more like the office,with endless workers to control, who might misbehave in various ways.

3) With large sums of money, you would be coerced into 'investing' it, and unless you knew a lot about such things, there would be a big risk of losing it, and maybe even plunging into debt.

4) It would be de-rigueur to join Facebook and Twitter - I am happy without either!

5) Lots of jobs would be inaccessible for a celebrity - imagine if I was called Taylor Swift, and every action I took here was argued over endlessly on social media.

6) (To be a bit less frivolous) Money would become meaningless, and in a world where most things are measured in terms of money, that would be disorienting.

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Gayle said: So definitely media, I think that’s proven, manipulates us to feel insecure and inadequate, so we’ll buy their products. So I think that’s evident. It’s not as evident that there’s a small elite, keeping us dumbed down so they can rule the world.

Many of us are envious of the tiny minority, the elites, that run this world, but we should not be. Like all of us they are vulnerable to disease, to misfortune, to pain, to sorrow. They live in a very materially attached way to this hard world too. So they are reborn here, again and again and again.
We, who know of the potential we have to earn, by our love of all creatures and especially those who are Conscious, a much better place in a single lifetime are far better off. Potentially we may go to a place of endless bliss. A place where everything is perfect for us all the time as opposed to living here on Earth where hardly anything is perfect any of the time. The elites may have this world. I will never be jealous of them.
agreed... well, at least right up to the end. I side w/ Jurgen eustasy is available:
Jurgen Ziewe: The main issue that gets lost in religion is liberation and freedom. There’s always this tendency of wanting to own people, wanting to own something.
Alex Tsakiris: The ego.
Jurgen Ziewe: Yeah, wanting to limit it, but the end result is liberation from all concepts, from all demarcations, it’s total liberation. If that aspect is missing then I’m afraid we are not seeing the bigger picture, not fulfilling our whole potential. To me that has always been the number one thing. The freedom to go beyond out limitations, go beyond our identifications and be able to dynamically experience a new world every moment, every day without any boundaries, without saying, “Oh, this is how it is. This is what it’s all about.” No, we’re just discovering it again and again, because we are now part of that thing we are discovering. And in discovering it we are discovering ourselves which is it.
And there lies the incredible liberation and also there lies the ecstasy it brings. There’s ecstasy to be found in living every moment because we are not tied up, we’re not tied to one single thing, to one belief, to one theory, to one model. We transcend that and we are opening ourselves up to being explorers, not knowing what is to come next. And it’s beautiful because we already know we are it and we cannot get lost. Whatever we explore and discover there is another level of our ecstasy, of our ecstatic living.
And any beliefs which don’t allow us this exploration of freedom, they’re just limiting us. I’m not anti-religious because they create a scaffold. But once we’ve built the sculpture, we don’t need the scaffolding. We are it. That’s the thing with religions, that’s why I find them always limiting. But religious people don’t like to talk about freedom, they don’t like that word very much.
 
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Gayle:
Dr. Gayle Kimball: [00:21:25] I’m thinking of some of my psychiatrists who are in the healing book and therapists discovered that there are entities who are negative. And this ties in with your interest in evil and your book that’s coming out in October about evil. So they didn’t initially believe in this kind of thing, but they could see the evidence in aura photos, like one of the psychiatrists did. So they concluded that there are these evil, higher power or lower power entities out there that want evil for us.

So it’s hard to get your rational left brain/mind around that kind of thing, but they have experienced them, worked with them, talked with them. Robert Alcott psychiatrist says some of them he thinks are fallen angels who can be convinced to fall away from their evil masters and kind of come back to the light again. And you use that expression, the light versus the dark.

So, again, so it’s hard for your left brain, common sense, mind to grasp it, or it is for mine, but it does look like there are evil forces out there.
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It is quite interesting to hear Gayle state this so matter of factly. I am surprised you did not explore this topic with her, as against exploring psyops with someone who thinks intelligence agencies "are protecting us." My questions: 1) Did you prhaps explore this with Gayle outside of the recorded interview? 2) Did you not explore it in the interview because you have already formed your own conclusions (in the process of writing your book)? 3) Did you not explore it with her b/c you had read what was written about it in her Healing book? (I got the book through Kindle Unlimited and read about it in interviews with 2 psychiatrists).
 
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Gayle:
Dr. Gayle Kimball: [00:21:25] I’m thinking of some of my psychiatrists who are in the healing book and therapists discovered that there are entities who are negative. And this ties in with your interest in evil and your book that’s coming out in October about evil. So they didn’t initially believe in this kind of thing, but they could see the evidence in aura photos, like one of the psychiatrists did. So they concluded that there are these evil, higher power or lower power entities out there that want evil for us.

So it’s hard to get your rational left brain/mind around that kind of thing, but they have experienced them, worked with them, talked with them. Robert Alcott psychiatrist says some of them he thinks are fallen angels who can be convinced to fall away from their evil masters and kind of come back to the light again. And you use that expression, the light versus the dark.

So, again, so it’s hard for your left brain, common sense, mind to grasp it, or it is for mine, but it does look like there are evil forces out there.
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It is quite interesting to hear Gayle state this so matter of factly. I am surprised you did not explore this topic with her, as against exploring psyops with someone who thinks intelligence agencies "are protecting us." My questions: 1) Did you prhaps explore this with Gayle outside of the recorded interview? 2) Did you not explore it in the interview because you have already formed your own conclusions (in the process of writing your book)?
I agree that this is a super interesting topic. I made a note to follow up with gayle on robert alcott but have been too busy to do so. I just did a quick google search and didn't find anything. would you mind checking to see if we can find this guy and his book?
 
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I agree that this is a super interesting topic. I made a note to follow up with gayle on robert alcott but have been too busy to do so. I just did a quick google search and didn't find anything. would you mind checking to see if we can find this guy and his book?
There are two interviewees in her Healing book. It's Robert Alcorn not Alcott and he just makes the statement that the entities are fallen angels that should ideally go back to being angels. The other one, IMO, makes Icke look like apple pie--too far out for me to explore further. (The book is available as Kindle Unlimited.)

P.S. There is a lot available about Spirit Release therapy--earthbound "ghosts" who attach to humans. My concern here is the frequency of claims that all of us have from 3 to 15 attached to us, and need therapy for this. There is one example of an Alcorn patient who got the therapy and became free of horrid symptoms. IMO there could be cases like that without all of us having attachments. You might be interested in the Alcorn interview b/c it jives with tomz, tho nothing re DID.
 
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I forgot to say I saw this man cited as the go to guy for spirit attachments so I took a look at his amazon book description:
"For two decades, William Baldwin has been a pioneer in the ever-expanding therapeutic fields of Spirit Releasement, Past Life Regression, and Soul-Mind Fragmentation. In his Florida practice, he uses these therapies routinely to help patients who suffer from Dissociative Trance and Dissociative Identity (formerly called Multiple Personality) Disorders.

Healing Lost Souls explains the attributes of each therapy in everyday language, and provides dozens of case studies to illustrate its clinical use. Likening his work to the ancient practice of shamanism, Baldwin has found that psychological disorders are often rooted in past life traumas, the interference of attached entities of various origins, and the fragmentation of one's soul. Baldwin stresses the importance of active patient participation throughout the stages of regression, as well as the need to treat encountered entities with respect, since they are often mere lost souls as bewildered and frightened as the patients themselves."

So these negs are not demons per se.

I wonder what DTranceD is.
 
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There are two interviewees in her Healing book. It's Robert Alcorn not Alcott and he just makes the statement that the entities are fallen angels that should ideally go back to being angels. The other one, IMO, makes Icke look like apple pie--too far out for me to explore further. (The book is available as Kindle Unlimited.)

P.S. There is a lot available about Spirit Release therapy--earthbound "ghosts" who attach to humans. My concern here is the frequency of claims that all of us have from 3 to 15 attached to us, and need therapy for this. There is one example of an Alcorn patient who got the therapy and became free of horrid symptoms. IMO there could be cases like that without all of us having attachments. You might be interested in the Alcorn interview b/c it jives with tomz, tho nothing re DID.
great. thx. have queued: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/spirit-box/04-dr-robert-alcorn-spirit-1NwcFmDV2Z7/

I agree re caution/skepticism... always both/and... real/deception
 

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I forgot to say I saw this man cited as the go to guy for spirit attachments so I took a look at his amazon book description:
"For two decades, William Baldwin has been a pioneer in the ever-expanding therapeutic fields of Spirit Releasement, Past Life Regression, and Soul-Mind Fragmentation. In his Florida practice, he uses these therapies routinely to help patients who suffer from Dissociative Trance and Dissociative Identity (formerly called Multiple Personality) Disorders.

Healing Lost Souls explains the attributes of each therapy in everyday language, and provides dozens of case studies to illustrate its clinical use. Likening his work to the ancient practice of shamanism, Baldwin has found that psychological disorders are often rooted in past life traumas, the interference of attached entities of various origins, and the fragmentation of one's soul. Baldwin stresses the importance of active patient participation throughout the stages of regression, as well as the need to treat encountered entities with respect, since they are often mere lost souls as bewildered and frightened as the patients themselves."

So these negs are not demons per se.

I wonder what DTranceD if.
ecellent. thx
 
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Right, but I tend to think that culture might have developed in much the same way with or without these covert opinion shapers.
This is a good point. I suppose it's the big things that really drive societal changes, with their effects sometimes taking decades and decades to play out fully: invention of the steam engine, motor car, production lines, WWI & II, birth control, telecommunications, etc.

Yes, a very good point.

We'd probably have to add big ideas to the mix, too: the scientific method, Democracy, Colonialism, Marxism, Fascism, economics, etc.

Looking at the above, it's really the scientific method that stands out as the biggie, driving the centrifugal processes that led to the rise of much of the rest of the list.

So, seeming as it was an Angel that came to Descartes in a dream and said, "Conquest of nature is to be achieved through number and measure," then perhaps the fairest statement to make is that the intervention of a supernatural being (I'll leave it open as to whether or not it was an Angel) is largely responsible for the creation of the modern world.

Or, if you prefer: The modern world is built on a dream. A flickering impression made manifest in all its terrible splendor.
 
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...I tend to think that culture might have developed in much the same way with or without these covert opinion shapers.
My mouth dropped open from amazement, literally, when I read that. :)

Imagine how different the world would be if Freud's nephew Edward Bernays had not worked with Wall Street and the City of London to murder millions of brave, socially-minded men by tricking them into slaughtering each other.

 
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My mouth dropped open from amazement, literally, when I read that. :)

Imagine how different the world would be if Freud's nephew Edward Bernays had not worked with Wall Street and the City of London to murder millions of brave, socially-minded men by tricking them into slaughtering each other.
Well 'Imagine' is all we can do. I increasingly think the COVID event is a similar scam to this, but

a) I think the scam is coming off its wheels.

b) It took a lot more than a few evil men to set this in motion.

In particular, it too the entire process of putting scientists into a hierarchy in which they lost their jobs if they told the truth. It also took a slow corruption of science to make it soft and easy to manipulate using money.

David
 
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Well 'Imagine' is all we can do.
I disagree David.

The long process and slow corruption can be reversed if enough normal people take the Red-Pill and learn TRUTH.

This is why I am such a fan of podcasts like Skeptiko and free-speech social media. I really do believe we can save significant numbers of people from destruction by Evil with slick, well-made media products which counteract malevolent Elite Lies with provable, undeniable Truth.

In the words of Bob Marley "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds".

We must counteract people like Dr. Kimball who teach that Elite Evil is nothing more than unintentional "oopsie-daisy".
 
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This is a good point. I suppose it's the big things that really drive societal changes, with their effects sometimes taking decades and decades to play out fully: invention of the steam engine, motor car, production lines, WWI & II, birth control, telecommunications, etc.

Yes, a very good point.

We'd probably have to add big ideas to the mix, too: the scientific method, Democracy, Colonialism, Marxism, Fascism, economics, etc.

Looking at the above, it's really the scientific method that stands out as the biggie, driving the centrifugal processes that led to the rise of much of the rest of the list.

So, seeming as it was an Angel that came to Descartes in a dream and said, "Conquest of nature is to be achieved through number and measure," then perhaps the fairest statement to make is that the intervention of a supernatural being (I'll leave it open as to whether or not it was an Angel) is largely responsible for the creation of the modern world.

Or, if you prefer: The modern world is built on a dream. A flickering impression made manifest in all its terrible splendor.
stringing together some recent thoughts/quotes:

"if they can they will" - Riz Virk via Nick Bostrom re whether we would go so far as to develop advanced technology even though it could ultimately lead to some really bad unintended consequences... like our total destruction. luddites never win.

The bible was pro roman -- this relates to the above. once a group figures out the co-opt and mind control thing it becomes a standard part of the conquest playbook.

Bruce Fenton 780 thousand years ago -- what's our time scale?
 
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great. thx. have queued: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/spirit-box/04-dr-robert-alcorn-spirit-1NwcFmDV2Z7/

I agree re caution/skepticism... always both/and... real/deception
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and sane/deluded? : I really can't see why Gayle would even include the 2nd psychiatrist, Mitchell Earl Gibson, M.D., in her book: he tells us of hybrid dragon/human beings living among us as well as countless ET races playing with us.. And sells assorted pendants for protection. I looked at his web site (the content on the Home page) and IMO it did not exonerate his views in the book.
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I disagree David.

The long process and slow corruption can be reversed if enough normal people take the Red-Pill and learn TRUTH.

This is why I am such a fan of podcasts like Skeptiko and free-speech social media. I really do believe we can save significant numbers of people from destruction by Evil with slick, well-made media products which counteract malevolent Elite Lies with provable, undeniable Truth.

In the words of Bob Marley "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds".

We must counteract people like Dr. Kimball who teach that Elite Evil is nothing more than unintentional "oopsie-daisy".
Look, I made that comment as a response to a rather general statement that dpdownsouth wrote:
This Gloria Steinem rabbit-hole stuff makes me wonder just how much of contemporary culture is the creation of corporate marketers, political propogandists, intelligence agencies and ideologues.
I am most certainly not saying that there is no evil elite - particularly right now with COVID - but I don't want to generalise that and claim to say that modern culture is just a construction of the evil elite!

David
 
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